2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBarney Frank: Why Progressives Shouldn't Support Sanders
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Full article: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/why-progressives-shouldnt-support-bernie-120484.html
This is hilarious. Anyway, I'm not a big fan of Barney Frank. He opposes reinstating Glass-Steagall, and thinks Senator Elizabeth Warren is wrong on the issue. He's been a vocal critic of Bernie Sanders' run for POTUS. He's a corporate sellout, who after authoring landmark Wall Street reform, joined the corporate board of Signature Bank.
I've heard a lot of people were angry at him when he (supported? Proposed?) ENDA minus gender identity protections. Meaning, as in throwing trans people under the bus.
Anyway what are your thoughts on this? Any rebuttals?
Also Barney said this about Bernie:
To some extent, and with respect to my white liberal friends in the white liberal base, these are people for whom politics is a deeply-held ideological passion, he said. The groups of people who have the most at stake African Americans, Hispanics, LGBT are much for serious for Hillary. They have got to be serious. White liberals get a psychic income for supporting Bernie Sanders, but they wont suffer much if a Republican becomes president.
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/07/21/do-white-liberals-have-a-bernie-sanders-problem/
olddots
(10,237 posts)PatrickforO
(14,595 posts)He's an establishment guy.
gobears10
(310 posts)Frank co-authored the 2010 Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform law and now sits on the board of directors at Signature Bank. He said that Warren's bid to bring back Glass-Steagall isn't the right prescription to prevent a repeat of the 2008 financial crisis.
Source: http://thehill.com/policy/finance/248674-barney-frank-warren-wrong-on-glass-steagall
Retired House Democrat Mr. Frank, one of the namesakes of the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial-reform law, was appointed to the board of directors of New York-based Signature Bank SBNY +2.55% on Wednesday.
Source: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/06/17/barney-frank-yes-that-barney-frank-joins-a-bank-board/
Source: http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2014/10/01/op-ed-what-barney-frank-still-gets-wrong-enda
Recursion
(56,582 posts)There are good things about Glass-Steagall, but its repeal wasn't related to what happened in 2008 (and, for that matter, its repeal is what made the bailout possible).
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)I will support him. I'm on a fixed income, I am old and I don't want to die in a fascist country. I bought a t-shirt, a bumpersticker and gave him $5. I hope to give more. Go away, Barney if this is your message.
He must be looking in a mirror. Fucker.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)Sounds way to much like the creeps running Texas.
I don't think Barney has a clue about Bernie supporters.
Screw Barney and his self righteous ass.
HFRN
(1,469 posts)and he's told you little people, what to do
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discocrisco01
(1,666 posts)1. That is the flood of Citizens United money that flood the airwaves
2. Non-whites have real hard time relating to Bernie. But I think that is because Bernie comes from Vermont where the minority population is small. Lets say that Bernie Sanders was Elliot Spitzer from New York which has a very diverse ethnic base. Than he would have much better shot.
Bernie speaks in generalities about social justice. Minorities are not really interested into "global" solutions for social justice; they are most interested on the candidate going to remove the specific barriers fir communities of color.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Since we lost Air America, I haven't heard much of Bernie in the media until this year. That is due to media and the fact I was more worried about the majority of congress destroying the environment, women's rights and all the other crap they have been doing.
I saw more and more of Elizabeth Warren and her remarks against the Banks. Bernie's name was always linked to her as support. I was hoping she would enter. I read lots of posts who said she would be great, but it would be even better if Bernie joined. I started to see more and more of his quotes. Then he declared.
I live in progressive area--Seattle. It is pretty white and I take it as the norm. But I focus on the PoC in the Seattle area and work hard for him here.
(But I plan to join the Black Lives Matters movement here, too. It cannot be only Blacks who care about it. We all must.)
So Bernie can make great inroads with minorites, we care about the very issues he cares about. We just have a different number one issue.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I really think the PTB are out to silence or marginalize Bernie. Because they are scared. They should be.
TM99
(8,352 posts)He opposes Glass-Steagall. Money.
He thinks Warren is wrong. Money
On the board of Signature Bank. Money.
Combat post CU right wing money with left wing money.
Always the fucking money with the New Dems. Oh, and maybe he will support ENDA but not fully or completely. And there is that lovely pseudo-social liberalism.
Fuck him.
FSogol
(45,555 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)murielm99
(30,777 posts)I guess we are throwing him under the bus now.
All the best people are under the bus these days.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)without throwing them under the bus?
murielm99
(30,777 posts)Not on the New DU anyway.
riversedge
(70,350 posts)Kill the messenger. The message or what Barney is saying is not being discussed at this point. So much of this happens in this forum
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)....Frank is suddenly ripe for rotten tomatoe throwing.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Who cares what another lobbyist thinks ? Who is he working for and what is his agenda ?
I'll side with Sanders and Warren.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)HFRN
(1,469 posts)it is always about the people, not the politicians
sure, good politicians should be treated with appreciation and respect, and a reasonable amount of disagreement shoudl be allowed, as well as some forgiveness
but if they're in with the elite, I'm not going to let THEM throw ME under the bus
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)We need more folks like him sitting on boards.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Barney Frank joins Signature Bank board
It's the first time the co-author of the landmark Dodd-Frank reform law has joined a bank since leaving Congress two years ago.
Signature Bank, one of the city's fastest-growing financial institutions, said that former Congressman Barney Frank would join its board.
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20150617/BLOGS02/150619877/barney-frank-joins-signature-bank-board
peacebird
(14,195 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Unless he needs this to have enough money for food and shelter, end of story. I stand corrected if this is a mom-and-pop. Yeah, right....
olddots
(10,237 posts)this shocks me that he has become someone so different from what he was then .Thanks for the info it has hurt me deeply .
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)It's sad to find a person is not who you believed they were.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)No thanks. I'll listen to the black folk.
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99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)I don't think he's the most credible person on these subjects anymore.
HFRN
(1,469 posts)chair on the banking committee, was just a line on the resume, not a sworn duty to him
total loser whos incompetence cost the taxpayer a fortune, and ended up lining scumbag banker's pockets
SunSeeker
(51,745 posts)Most women, on the other had, particularly those still ovulating, know a Republican President could appoint the Supreme Court Justice the Religious Right needs to outlaw abortion, imposing forced birth on women. People of color know their lives would be in even more danger, hate crimes would go unprosecuted and their ability to vote curtailed even further. LGBT know a Republican administration would roll back gains.
Indulging petulant political fantasies and throwing away their vote is a luxury most women, people of color and LGBT know they cannot afford.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Thinks Hillary Clinton is a fundamentally flawed candidate who puts us in as much danger of what you describe as taking a chance on someone not as well known but better on issues. Barney Frank is entitled to his opinion but if I listened to him just because he's gay I would also have to listen to the opinions of Log Cabin Republicans...who I categorically reject.
artislife
(9,497 posts)We have to listen to what is said each and every time...lots of things are revealed in the wee hours..
riversedge
(70,350 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)HFRN
(1,469 posts)but could you please tell me in what order?
'Indulging petulant political fantasies and throwing away their vote is a luxury most women, people of color and LGBT know they cannot afford. '
i just like to know in what measure, I am petulant
SunSeeker
(51,745 posts)The point made is that people of color, LGBT and women with a functioning uterus do not have the luxury of voting for whatever candidate strikes their fancy. They pick who they assess has the best chance of preventing the worst case scenario, a Republican administration. To many people of color, LGBT, and women, it literally is a matter of life and death.
Not everything is about you.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And I'm not cavalierly throwing my support behind someone besides Hillary. I think she's an awful candidate who won't be able to deliver on many things important to me besides my sexual freedom.
SunSeeker
(51,745 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)You are talking for ME with this comment:
"The point made is that people of color, LGBT and women with a functioning uterus do not have the luxury of voting for whatever candidate strikes their fancy. They pick who they assess has the best chance of preventing the worst case scenario, a Republican administration. To many people of color, LGBT, and women, it literally is a matter of life and death.
I'm a gay man and I'm not choosing to support who I do because I don't have the "luxury" of choosing not only who best mirrors my values but who I also think can win. I have no idea who you are or anything about your situation but you don't get to speak for ME.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)I am gay and will never vote for Hillary Clinton. Barney Fudd can go fuck himself.
HFRN
(1,469 posts)Vote for Hillary - because not everything is about you.
Put the voter in their place - how DARE they think of voting for someone ELSE. WE'VE decided what BEST. You OWE us your support and vote. NOW DO IT!!!!!
(actually, I don't know why I'm challenging you. You have an arrogant attitude, in support of a candidate with high negatives - you're exactly what Sanders supporters need)
HFRN
(1,469 posts)you said it means that I don't care about people of color, LGBT, and women, and that I only care for myself
glad we cleared that up
you know, you really got a way with people
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)they are shooting themselves in the foot .
We need a candidate fighting fur Main St, not Wall St.
SunSeeker
(51,745 posts)People of color choose Hillary over that dreamy Bernie, not because they are too stupid to know better, but because based on their sober assessment of the situation, they have concluded that voting for Hillary will best protect their interests.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)You've already spoken for me (LGBT) and women...just need to know who I'm dealing with here.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)when I see BLM in the title I have a preconceived notion that it will be a hit piece. The movement isn't doing itself any good with tactics like it employs. You can't define anyone who doesn't kiss your @$$ and claim your issues are all that matters is a racist. Who out of anyone running would provide more support for the AA community then Sanders ? If you want lip service while Wall St get a wink and nod that their back is covered, go ahead and try to take Sanders down
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Yes, I support Bernie in the primaries. Yes, I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary in the general if I have to, because SCOTUS. Yes, it is still PRIMARY SEASON, so support of any primary candidate (unless it's a crazy/plant like Trump, or the crazy Houston-area "Democrat" whose name I can't remember), is OK. Last I heard.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)and to state same. I am entitled to mine and I disagree with him on this point.
concreteblue
(626 posts)The rest of the article is interesting as well, and prompts questions.
""Jobs and college don't stop the police from killing me!" said a woman", and this is of course a valid point.
What does LEO reform look like? Is a new model of community policing necessary? Is it possible? What percentage of Mr. Sanders message should be dedicated to addressing it?
The last question prompts more questions which I am sure are evident and do not care to bring up as they would very possibly (probably? Certainly?) lead to the messy and sometimes ugly discussions seen on other threads. The difficulty of getting through these is what sows seeds of division easily exploited by political operatives.
Answers? I have none. Ideas? I have a few. Can they be discussed in a way that avoids the political discussion swamp?...........
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)they don't go around shooting people for minor criminal offenses. Or to bring trainers from those countries over here. To pour money into teaching police how to de-escalate, rather than antagonize and bully those they stop.
concreteblue
(626 posts)I have long thought that true community policing would involve ALL members of the community. Why not require every citizen of age to serve 2 years as a cop? Then every citizen will have the same experience, and have respect for both the job and the citizens.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)once we get into the works of the system.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Sorry Barney, 1999 called, it wants it's failed Third Way economics back.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)It's all the white people determined to 'protect' him from black people. The twitter storm of idiotic attacks on BLM and on the guy who created the hashtag #BernieSoBlack continues apace, each one pushing black people who use Twitter ever farther away from Bernie. Bernie's working on responding in a constructive way, many of his "followers" are behaving like neanderthalish trolls. Each and every one of whom are working hard to undermine everything he himself does.
artislife
(9,497 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)BTW, my favorite #berniesoblack: #BernieSoBlack that Hillary Clinton is taking his vote for granted.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Yep, that's what Bernie does.
Gothmog
(145,667 posts)He was very effective in the House
Nitram
(22,913 posts)He is honest, progressive and he tells it like it is. But if he says that Clinton is the best presidential candidate, that automatically makes him the enemy.
BlueStateLib
(937 posts)wow, it seems everbody that doesnt walk lockstep with progressives is the enemy.
riversedge
(70,350 posts)the downfall of all Dems--making the other our enemies. We need a Dem in the WH come 2016-simple at that. I will support whoever gets the nomination.
Nitram
(22,913 posts)Like hating on Hillary? I'm just saying we shouldn't put fellow liberals in the "enemy" column just because they sipport a candidate that we don't like or don't think can win the nomination.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)Sorry, Hillary, it's time to run a different kind of campaign.
Tell us - show us from your record - what you're going to do for the average folk of this country.
Help usher in some palatable politics: refuse to attack (directly or via surrogate crap slinger) Mr. Sanders.
After all, he is not attacking you.
murielm99
(30,777 posts)is a surrogate or a mouthpiece. These people, no matter how successful and intelligent, are dismissed and called names. Any prominent person who favors Bernie is hailed in multiple threads with multiple recs and embraced with great fervor for their brilliance and foresight.
Hillary has shown us her record and links have been posted here repeatedly by her supporters.
I think we all know who the crap slingers are.
This is just another childish attack on the front runner.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts).....it's an attack dog. Period
HFRN
(1,469 posts)it's almost like someone he's close to works for HRC
(not that he's the best advocate, one could have)
Autumn
(45,120 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Even he had to qualify his support for Clinton in matters military. And no, it's not just a matter of how not what.
But lying about him and his record is just stupid and wrong.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)That argument is way premature. If Sanders actually does well enough in the early primaries to pose a serious threat to Clinton, but he is polling far worse than Clinton against the likely repub candidate, then the argument may have relevance. Right now it is just encouraging people to be horribly cynical and immediately settle for the same-old crap without even putting up a fight.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Hillary is going to work hard to restrict the same corporate money she's using to try and buy the White House.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I love you Barney, but you're full of shit. Hillary is going to have too many of the wrong people to thank.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)Too bad.
--imm
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)hit the TeaPubliKlans between the eyes with a 2x4 but he loves banks and Wall Street.
NHDEMFORLIFE
(489 posts)I like her. I respect her.
It is not necessary for people to dislike each other or attack each other just because theyre running for office.
While I still haven't decided who to support, it'd be refreshing to see Democrats respect Bernie's words and act accordingly as the Republican clown car drives into a ditch.
azmom
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(16,245 posts)Sellouts and a huge reason we are in the mess we are in.
If we do not get economic reform, nothing else is going to fucking matter. We are all in the same leaky piece of shit rowboat.
Clinton will do nothing for anyone that isn't in the corporations' best interest.
HFRN
(1,469 posts)you know exactly how it turns out
postatomic
(1,771 posts)The day before #BlackLivesMatter protesters commandeered Netroots Nation, former Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) explained why the lefts 2016 candidates were not appealing to non-white voters. Frank, who considers any challenge to Hillary Clinton to be a divisive waste of money, asked liberals to consider why the supporters of Bernie Sanders seemed to be so white and comfortable.
To some extent, and with respect to my white liberal friends in the white liberal base, these are people for whom politics is a deeply-held ideological passion, he said.
Jill Stein would be a better candidate than Senator Sanders. Of course she's not a Democrat. Oh wait.
This ideology driven support for Sanders is not about electing anyone. it's about giving a voice to the White "Liberals" who want to exist in a vacuum. And the childish attacks on Barney Frank on this thread were sooooo predictable.
This isn't a Pee Wee Soccer tournament. Real lives are at stake here and Senator Sanders can not deliver on his platform, which I'm not entirely clear as to what it is, because he has little to no support within the Democratic Party. Also; based on prior Presidential Elections, like it or not, the Democratic Candidate will need to generate close to $1,500,000,000. The only way Senator Sanders can raise even a fraction of that is to have strong support from the Democrats, which HE DOES NOT HAVE.
If I'm going to throw money away on a candidate who I respect as someone who gets results and is a true progressive, I''ll donate to Jill Stein. I'll still support the Dem in the General Election financially and otherwise, but I can't get behind a Traveling Preacher like Senator Sanders (I) Vermont.
Note: I don't reply to snark or stupid.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)You have got to be f*cking kidding me. Talk about out of touch with reality. Or playing little reindeer games.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)(here on DU) that Barney, at least at one time, felt atheist politicians should stay in the closet. Practical, but hardly consistent. How about sticking up for us as well, especially since he came out as an atheist?? (Links upon request - had 'em but lost 'em on tablet.)
azmom
(5,208 posts)Even more. We need to change the rotten system and it is going to take an outsider to do it. You can't fight the establishment and be part of it.
Further, it is POC's like myself that stand to gain the most from a Bernie presidency.
This is not just an election. It is a political revolution.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Certainly hope so. If I must live in interesting times, I should at least get a revolution out of it.