Memo to Bernie supporters

[Cali_Democrat]

Referring to the #BlackLivesMatter movement as ratfuckers or referring to Hillary as a wh*re is not the best way to gain support for your candidate.

Alienating women and minorities isn't very smart.

Just my two cents.

[bravenak]

1. That attitude here on DU has totally reversed my support.

I was disgusted here yesterday and still am.

[roguevalley]

65. ah, I guess blaming paid trolls for the posts is over then? Personally, anyone

who does that isn't a DU er and should be ignored. Anyone who reverses their support because of something a troll said on the internet was never a supporter. How is Bernie Sanders responsible for the trolling of a few people on a forum? If you turned away from his ideas and possibilities because of that, it is highly possible you never supported him anyway.

IMHO

And it is possible to say this as a general statement and not as a pointed remark to you, bravenak. I have to say I like to read your posts and I do.

Trolls are everywhere. Read the remarks under the John McCain story at the hill. People like that only make my support more firm. If Bernie Sanders had said it, then maybe not but he cannot be blamed and held responsible for trolls for him anymore than Hillary Clinton. IMHO

[AgingAmerican]

72. I would hope the paid troll joined the name removed squad.

nt

[George II]

73. To me it wasn't one post here, one post there, it is the cumulative effect of all that is going on.

[roguevalley]

125. On both sides, George II. Both sides are guilty and both need to stop.

Tell us why to vote for your guy. That is what should happen.

[Thinkingabout]

154. Then it is time to start calling the trolls out on both sides. If i can determine there is a troll

Claiming to be a Hillary supporter suspected of trashing any other candidate I will call the out. It is going to take a concentrated effort. I have read several negative posts against Hillary whom I suspect of being a RW troll.

[SunSeeker]

97. "If Bernie Sanders had said it, then maybe not..."

So "maybe" even if Bernie had said it you would not be bothered by it?

[roguevalley]

126. oh for gods sake. Really?

[SunSeeker]

161. There was no qualifier in your rather over the top statement. Mine was a simple yes or no question.

Why are you so taken aback by my question?

[bravenak]

128. It was the way I have been treated since yesterday.

Condescended to, patronized, paternalized, talked at, etc.
Pissed that Sanders canceled on BLM. That is my do or die issue. Nothing else is more important to me. Black lives matter is the most important thing to me. I took it personally that he let his ego get in between himself and the chance to reach out to the black community. Also did not like all the Miss Millieing.

[Alittleliberal]

178. I'm sorry that happened bravenak

It wasn't pretty. I hope that both Bernie and his supporters can work hard to gain back your trust and support. You were a good ally and at that moment we were not. You deserved better.

[bravenak]

180. Took a little nap. I'll know better next time.

[boston bean]

2. Well, one would think this would be obvious.

I guess it needed to be spelled out.. After yesterday and today, I'm flummoxed by many of the responses to these events.

[Sheepshank]

3. I would like to add: labeling Hillary supporters as "Zimmermans"

I found that particularly disgusting.

[Iliyah]

13. Yep, and how about this one "Sick and Delusional"

[calimary]

182. And "uninformed" and "hysterical."

But the "whore" comment really took the cake.

[SCVDem]

118. Since I don't swim in that pool

I have no idea what that refers to.

Probably a good thing.

[mcar]

132. Another disgusting example

[TM99]

4. Wow, I am seriously impressed.

You took a single post that most Sanders supporters disavowed from a troll and are smearing us all with it.

Then you add another one dismissing our support and Sanders of BlackLivesMatter.

Check out the 12,000 strong supporters and Sanders speech in Phoenix last night.

I dare you to tell me that we or he is in any way alienating women or minorities. I fucking dare you!

As a bi-racial man who was there, I am just giving my two cents as well.

[Bobbie Jo]

12. Actually

It's the cumulative effect of the dismissive posts, and adopting the RW terms such as "race-baiting" and "race card," that account for the reaction that you're seeing.

Tone deaf in the extreme. Continue with this attitude at your own peril.

[TM99]

14. Continue at my own peril?

Continue at yours.

I am a person of color.

I see divisiveness being used a political tool for one candidate and one candidate only.

it is going to bite her and her supporters on the ass real soon.

[Bobbie Jo]

17. I didn't mince words.

Keep laughing..

[TM99]

18. Neither do I.

Keep digging.

[Bobbie Jo]

35. The only digging here

is the doubling down on the dismissiveness.

[TM99]

41. Yeah, I am dismissing myself.

Go read my actual supportive posts of BLM AND this protest.

[London Lover Man]

24. I'm even wondering if the #BLM protest was a setup

instigated by the Clinton campaign, but I don't subscribe to much of conspiracy theory.

[JaneyVee]

34. You don't subscribe to conspiracy theory, then you post a conspiracy theory.

[London Lover Man]

37. Reread what I wrote.

I don't subscribe to much of conspiracy theory. That thought was dismissed.

[JaneyVee]

39. But you're "wondering" about a conspiracy theory?

[pnwmom]

101. Then you're not thinking very hard. The same group of protesters has heckled Hillary.

Yet you think Hillary is so powerful that she got them to heckle Sanders and O'Malley.

[leveymg]

107. When and where?

Links, please. How is it we never heard about it, whereas this is all that anyone is talking about in reference to Bernie, today?

[pnwmom]

138. I read about it on DU, so I don't know why you have never heard about it.

They've changed the name from Yearly Kos to Netroots Nation, but it's the same group that Hillary was heckled in front of in 2007.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/bc3ccd7839a1420f9c20a25ee81077df/omalley-faces-demonstrators-liberal-netroots-convention

The Netroots Nation convention has been a rough place for presidential candidates before. Clinton last appeared in 2007, when it was called the Yearly Kos, and heard boos from some activists who disapproved of her vote for the 2003 invasion of Iraq and her acceptance of campaign contributions from lobbyists.

[leveymg]

140. Hillary was heckled by NRN and Code Pink (in '07), but never by this group, BLM

As far as I know. There could be an element of "gotcha back" about making this happen at Net Roots Nation, I suppose.

AFAIK, no other candidates has been heckled by BLM except Bernie and Martin.

[pnwmom]

141. It's kind of funny that after everybody saw Hillary Clinton recently criticized for saying

"all lives matter" (after previously acknowledging that "black lives matter&quot , neither Sanders nor O'Malley, given this shining opportunity, had the presence of mind at Netroots to simply say:

"Yes. Black lives matter." Full stop.

They had the chance to score some points on her and they blew it. And then some of their supporters accuse her of being in a conspiracy with BLM to make Sanders and O'Malley look bad.

It's just so ridiculous.

[leveymg]

147. HRC wasn't heckled at the Church. Nobody rushed the podium. Criticism was all on-line

after the fact. Not equatable.

Everyone, including BLM, knew that Hillary wouldn't be at NRN15. This was planned to embarrass the other candidates. Dirty tricks. Will blowback.

I agree, this stunt, the "Bernie doesn't care about minorities" Meme, and and this whole racially-divisive smear job are ridiculous.

[pnwmom]

148. The point is that they knew that Hillary was criticized for it, and yet they repeated her mistake.

Neither Hillary nor her supporters made them do that, or pulled a political dirty trick.

They just couldn't bring themselves to say: Black Lives Matter.

Period. Full stop.

[leveymg]

149. This is part of a smear job, "Bernie doesn't care about minorities." You've seen it played here.

Don't be coy. This isn't an isolated event, or just about poor event management, and you know it.

[pnwmom]

150. No, it's not. He and O'Malley made the same mistake Hillary did, and it's not because

any of them don't care about minorities.

But let's pretend the protesters WERE part of a smear job. Sanders and O'Malley could have easily avoided any "smear" by simply answering the protestors with four simple words: YES, BLACK LIVES MATTER.

They didn't. That was their mistake. You can't blame anyone else for that.

[leveymg]

159. Since when do hecklers set the ground-rules? They likely wouldn't have even gotten into an HRC event

and you know it.

It doesn't matter what either O'Malley or Sanders had said. Did you see or read the interview with Patrisse Cullors, one of the BLM organizers? It wasn't a reaction to what was said, it wasn't about persuasion, it was about acting out and disruption of progressive Democrats. She said so, herself.

http://bluenationreview.com/breaking-first-reactions-from-patrisse-cullors-during-call-out-at-netroots-nation/#ixzz3gLZRtI9P

Q: Why'd you guys do it?...
A: We just lost another one of our sisters, Sandra Bland, in police custody....

We are deeply disturbed...that law enforcement continues to brutalize and kill our communities, and get away with it.

Today's action was about calling out elected officials who may seem progressive, that you're progressive is not enough. We need more...

This is our moment...

If Ella Baker, Assata Shakur, and Martin Luther King stood silent, we would not be in this current moment today.

Q: If you don't talk about it, it doesn't exist, right?

A: Yes...

Q: Not talking about racism, not doing anything about racism - we as progressives, as Democrats, can sit around and say, "That's great." But unless you take the flag down, unless you restore the Voting Rights Act, do all these things that you're supposed to be doing, that should have been done for decades, it's not going to change...

A: When we shut an action like this down, we want you to stand in solidarity with us. For media, we want you to tell our stories the way we want them told. When law enforcement gives you police reports on our past convictions, we don't want that to be the headline, coupled with, "that's probably why we were killed." There's a way in which we need to shift narratives in this current moment. There needs to be a radical shift in the narrative of black people and our stories, and there needs to be a radical solidarity with us.

This action shouldn't be something that's annoying. People should be proud to be a part of this time in history. The Confederate flag has been taken down. When new black leaders are rising up and saying, "Stop killing us."

This is our moment to shine, and people should feel honored....

I want to make a specific ask to the presidential candidates, specifically the Democrats who are trying to reach into poor communities, people in black and latino communities. Your reform efforts have to be much more radical.

We need to hear that you are going to end detentions. We need to hear that you are going to ensure that ICE is out of jails. We need to hear that you are going to make sure that the one million black people who are currently living inside of US jails and prisons, that there are going to be real reform efforts to get them to be able to vote, that they will be able to have jobs when they come home.

We want to hear that you are going to divest from law enforcement, you're going to divest from the militarization of law enforcement, that you're going to put money into poor communities. We're not hearing that right now. We're hearing a lot of jibber-jabber.

I know that Senator Bernie Sanders left the stage. But it should not feel easy to get our vote. You need to fight for our vote. And we need the media to be pressuring these presidential candidates and fighting for the people's vote.

Q: Are you going to be going after Republicans?

A: We'll be going after Republicans, sure. But we always go after Republicans. Right now we also have to be going after Democrats.

[dreamnightwind]

185. Thanks for this post

Ironically, they attacked probably their best ally on many of those issues, and their protests greatly limited his time for saying where he stands on these issues. Either not smart, or disingenuous. Let's see, where does Hillary stand on those issues? She is absolutely not as good as Sanders for them, this whole thing is a joke. And I see people saying "they DID protest Hillary", not really true as far as I know, I've heard about a 2007 incident at the Netroots predecessor (I forget its Kos name) but I don't think that was BLM protesting Hillary's positions on race issues. If I am wrong someone please enlighten me, specifics please. And anyway that was a much more minor incident in 2007, now we have a candidate who is not owned by corporate interests who needs all the support he can get.

If this group is for real, they need to focus their energy on Hillary, IMO, she is far ahead in the polls and not likely to go to bat for them on many of these issues.

[Scootaloo]

156. Actually that's EXACTLY what Sanders said

O'Mally was the "All lives matter. White lives matter" respondent. Sanders' response was "absolutely black lives matter."

But don't let reality get in the way of your hatred.

[pnwmom]

158. "Hatred." Yeah, right.

I like Bernie a lot. I just don't revere him. He makes mistakes like everyone else.

http://time.com/3963692/bernie-sanders-martin-omalley-black-lives-matter/

After O’Malley exited, Sanders took the stage and flashed with annoyance. “If you don’t want me to be here that’s okay,” he said. “I don’t want to out-scream you.”

SNIP

Despite watching O’Malley fumble, Sander immediately began with his prepared stump speech, criticizing the media and calling for a political revolution, trying to speak over the protesters. “What are we doing here?” he grumbled to Vargas, who was unable to control the crowd. Halfway through his time, Sanders looked at the protesters and finally said “Black people are dying in this country because we have a criminal justice system that is out of control.”

SNIP

Many of the African-American organizers at Netroots Nation complained that the conference prioritized economic inequality at the expense of racial justice.

“We have to center this conversation around blackness and anti-blackness. We cannot keep disguising structural racism as income inequality,” Angela Peoples, co-director of GetEqual and one of the hecklers, said afterward in an interview. “What we saw at this conference was a lack of acknowledgement of movement for black lives.”

[dreamnightwind]

186. Correct

Some article I saw quoted earlier wrongly asserted that Sanders also used the white lives matter too framing. I watched the whole thing and don't think he did that, I definitely recall him saying that black lives matter and not qualifying it.

[aikoaiko]

191. Actually he did respond by saying, " of course black lives matter"

Did you see the video?

And then he talked about how he would help.

[Stardust]

195. Didn't Bernie say, Of course black lives matter?

[Agnosticsherbet]

108. Black people demanding equal rights is a conspiracy?

So when LBGQ supporters demanded the right to marry, was that a conspiracy?

The answer is, no.

These are not conspiracies. Equal rights are not a conspiracy.

[haikugal]

33. I see the same thing..I thank you TM99! nt

[erronis]

48. Agree with you - thank you TM99.

[artislife]

57. As a brown mixed woman, me too.....

Not that I wasn't blown away by some of the reactions.

Because being heckled is a part of being a public figure. The affect on the candidates was minimal.

The cause they were supporting, however you may look at it, was real. It is a painful truth that needs to be addressed.

So everyone, stop being so protective of your candidate. They should be able to handle this with ease.

And hopefully, when there is a message attached to it, listen.

[PowerToThePeople]

146. Some people's bark is larger than their bite

Bobbie Jo is a very aggressive poster in my opinion, always looking for a fight. I do not think you have anything to worry about, just give her a good rofl emoticon and be done with it.

[TM99]

177. That is funny.

Yeah, I am not worried.

As my father used to say, I don't suffer fools gladly.

[sufrommich]

32. This is now trending on twitter:

https://twitter.com/hashtag/berniesoblack?src=hash&vertical=default&f=tweets


Please,for the love of god,stop being so goddamned dismissive of anyone who doesn't bow at his feet.This isn't just about Bernie anymore,it's about the absolute tone deafness of some white liberals and it's having an effect out there.Stop this shit!

[Cleita]

79. Since when are those terms right wing terms?

Please provide some links. I have seen them used by lefties to describe certain pundits and talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh. I have never heard them using the terms to describe Democrats.

[Bobbie Jo]

87. Since as long as I can remember

It's dismissive language intended to shut down discussion. Period.

Well NOW you're seeing the terms used to describe Democrats. Right here, loud and proud.

Please provide some links. I have seen them used by lefties to describe certain pundits and talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh.

Please provide some links, yourself.

[Cleita]

96. Here's one about Rush Limbaugh.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/01/12/rush-limbaugh-opens-2012-with-more-race-baiting/186125

However, if you put race baiting and Rush Limbaugh, or any reich winger of your choice in Google you get pages of references from media sources.

[Bobbie Jo]

100. Google the term "race card"

and take a look at what pops up.

Just never thought I would see it bandied about here without batting an eye.

[PatrickforO]

30. Yeah, I think that, too.

This is the old divide and conquer strategy that has worked for centuries. Monied classes have kept everyone else from noticing how awfully they are being exploited by pitting them against the other. And to make a strength into a perceived weakness - that's pure Rove.

I'm not really a 'star chamber' kind of guy, but if you trace this back to its disgusting origin and look under that rock, you'll find the Koch brothers.

[villager]

119. Divide and conquer worked well in the 60's, making sure each movement on the Left was atomized

When "radical" environmentalism was picking up steam in the Reagan 80's, it worked well there, too.

Why not keep using that very old playbook when it guarantees that forces for change will keep shooting each other in the foot, and never get out of the starting blocks?

[Sheepshank]

135. Thanks for the real life example

Ot always brings it home when the example is provided right at the perfect time.

[boston bean]

5. or referring to Hillary as a "cunning stunt".. That one got one banned.

And there was a hell of a lot of defense going on for that poster who got the pizza.

That was depressing.

[haikugal]

42. It was intended as a joke play on words and just happened to get a very good DUer banned...

he was effective so he had to go. The great purge..it's been happening here for years.

I'm not so fragile that a few insulting words will ruffle my feathers. We will continue uniting and the revolution Bernie is building, will, and does, include ALL of us!

This attempted smear will fail, has failed.

[Cleita]

80. Yeah all the grave dancers had a real party over that banning. eom

[sufrommich]

6. I've never seen DU like this,ever.nt

[orpupilofnature57]

31. No group has ever been attacked for supporting a candidate that wasn't DNC approved, especially

when the canidate is more Democratic that theirs .

[Indydem]

60. And by "Democratic"

You of course, mean a candidate who is NOT A DEMOCRAT, and has spent his whole political career not being a Democrat.

Even now, he is still Bernie Sanders (I-VT).

He is not a Democrat and the support of him on the DU ought to be a TOS violation.

[orpupilofnature57]

75. At least your identifying the unprecedented animosity toward him and us, his Supporters, good thing

for Hillary people of New York didn't see her as a usurper not ever being a New Yorker before until she had a use for it .

[Snotcicles]

83. You wouldn't be hearing that if they didn't take him at his word that he would not run as an

independent. Thats the deal they struck. It's safe to sling that crap now.

[orpupilofnature57]

142. For that camp it's always safe .

[Adrahil]

121. Honestly, I had ZERO animosity towards Bernie or his supporters...

until I saw the behavior of some of his supporters here.

I still like Bernie, but there is a minority of them here on DU that are WAY fucking out of line.

"Cunning Stunt"

"whore"

I'm just flabbergasted.

[orpupilofnature57]

143. I've been kicked out of 2 Groups for being out of line, and would never utter a word like those .

[Adrahil]

145. Thanks then!

I don't think most Bernie supporters would.

And it's not like some of the HRC supporters here aren't over the top, too.

[PowerToThePeople]

144. .

Indydem (2,056 posts)
60. And by "Democratic"

You of course, mean a candidate who is NOT A DEMOCRAT, and has spent his whole political career not being a Democrat.

Even now, he is still Bernie Sanders (I-VT).

He is not a Democrat and the support of him on the DU ought to be a TOS violation.

[Comrade Grumpy]

162. Because party is more important than principle. Maybe you can start your own discussion board.

With your own rules. And talk to yourself.

[Indydem]

181. This is the Democratic Underground.

Not the liberal underground or the progressive underground. If anyone should start their own board it's the Bernie fans who are insulting Clinton left and right and essentially vowing not to vote for her because she's "the lesser of two evils."

[qazplm]

50. Kos is the same way

I think either candidate would be just fine. I think Bernie has been very admirable in not attacking Hillary.
I think a small but extremely vocal minority of his supporters have lost their fucking minds.

[sufrommich]

55. Twitter too. nt

[Adrahil]

122. +1000 nt

[Number23]

169. "a small but extremely vocal minority of his supporters have lost their fucking minds."

It certainly does look that way. And has for some time.

[Kevin from WI]

82. Me neither. It's sort of gross to read all this.

At this rate we are going to end up with a Republican in the white house. I imagine things are only going to get worse here in the coming months.

[hedda_foil]

7. Sounds more like trolls than actual Bernie supporters.

How about we all give each other a break, please, and try not to jump to the conclusion that one or two obnoxious posters are representative of a large group.

We are all going to have to come together after the primaries. Let's not make it so hard to do that we risk losing the presidency to a flying monkey.

[PatrickforO]

20. yeah that's a good idea

[qazplm]

51. I don't think they are trolls

but I will agree they are probably a minority of Bernie supporters...but gotta tell you they are a really vocal fucking minority and they are quite ridiculous at this point.

[artislife]

61. Because when you judge a group of people by the actions of one or a few

.....it is a good example to how racism, sexism, misogyny and homophobia work.

[whatchamacallit]

8. Thanks for the call out

and thanks for the divisive and exploitative nature of your posts. Believe it or not, when I wrote the post I ended it with the colloquialism "I smell a rat", which was aimed at no particular person. It was probably a mistake to tack on the last bit in parentheses, as it of course appears personal. Whether you buy it or not, I apologize for creating that impression.

Edit: As always, my posts are mine alone. It is unfair to use anything one DUer says to paint an entire group, especially a group who support a progressive, equality loving, democratic candidate.

[SunSeeker]

52. Then why did you cite to the Washinton Times?

Or am I mixing you up with another zapped conspiracy post yesterday?

[whatchamacallit]

56. Yeah, that was someone else. n/t

[MohRokTah]

9. Same applies to all candidate supporters.

One of these candidates will have to directly address the issue and offer solutions to the problem, or not a single one of these candidates will end up as president and a Republican will.

[sadoldgirl]

28. I disagree a bit.

I think it would be much more effective if the
BLM groups came up with their proposals and
confront the candidates with them.
Solutions come rarely from the top anyway, because
the people are ahead of them.

As I mentioned in another post: most police -
and criminal court issues reside with the power
of individual states, not with the Feds. Even
Obama cannot change that.

[Stardust]

196. That's what I've been thinking--that it's a state thing, not federal.

[democrank]

10. Don`t paint all Bernie supporters with the same brush.

I`m a Bernie supporter and I vehemently disapprove of this type of language.

[ancianita]

88. I'll fight this language every time I see it. nt

[still_one]

11. Personal attacks are never a good policy

[cherokeeprogressive]

15. Go Bernie Sanders!

[wyldwolf]

21. and take Jim Webb with you!

[artislife]

68. That election cycle in my mind was worse.

That seems to be conveniently forgotten..

[PatrickforO]

19. God, who did that? 'ratfuckers?' Really?

A poor choice of words, and completely out of place. Black lives do matter and what is happening right now to those kids at the hands of cops sucks.

As to the other, some guy said that because she takes money from bankers. That was a very poor choice of words.

But 'ratfuckers????' Geez.

[magical thyme]

44. note the lack of supporting links and the broadbrushing.

I doubt anybody here thinks that black lives don't matter. Some of us believe the BLM group did themselves more harm than good by ambushing O'Malley and then not letting him answer their question. It was unfair to him and it was also unfair to the questioner, unfair to their leader (forget her name, was watching on the sly at work yesterday) and unfair to the rest of the people at the event.

Imo, they were winning until they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Had they tempered their demonstration by stopping it a few minutes sooner and allowing him to answer, they wouldn't have wrecked what could have been a really good moment for them, for O'Malley and for everybody in attendance or watching the video.

[PatrickforO]

53. Bernie's one of the strongest people in Congress for minorities

Taking a strength and turning it into a weakness so support can be divided is straight out of the book of Rove. Divide and conquer.

[magical thyme]

59. yup.

but it's not going to work.

[London Lover Man]

22. I said neither. And I'm a Bernie supporter.

#BLM had a message to deliver in a process of democracy, and it was understood, and Bernie tried his best.

As for the other comment, I have no comment.

[mmonk]

23. I have decided to leave DU for awhile. I have neither called them ratf*ckers nor engaged in attack

posts on Clinton during this campaign. I no longer see dialogue here, so I'll just do what I do battling the Legislature in Raleigh for awhile and return later as things move forward. I might post videos or something or visit other forums but my time is valuable. I'd rather pass it doing something constructive.

[libodem]

47. Awww, Monk

Don't go. If you do hurry back. I'll bet you miss it.


Use ignore and hide a thread.

[murielm99]

190. So now we are losing the Bernie

supporters who are looking for honest discussion. This is not the DU I know and love.

I think you should stay, mmonk.

[MineralMan]

25. Indeed!

[orpupilofnature57]

26. Sure, and Hillary supporters should stop shopping for a reason and start seeing who has who's

interest in mind, have Barack Obama's policies helped minorities and woman ?

[Skwmom]

27. Well I can't help wondering if some of the really foul words used to describe Clinton

were actually espoused by supporters of other candidates, right wing operatives, or paid Clinton people who were trying to get women to rally around the woman candidate and turn against Sanders.

In politics it's impossible to take anything at face value. They could fill textbooks with studies on the manipulation of the political process and the masses.

[orpupilofnature57]

36. Oh No, that's not convieneint for the narrative, evil delusional person, don't remember just Smile &

wave, and don't say anything that might piss off already pissed off people, better to just wave & smile and wait for more .

[Hekate]

134. Hillary's 2008 staff created the Obama Muslim lie? Prove it.

Just prove it.

[haikugal]

46. ^^^^^THIS^^^^^ So true. nt

[JaneyVee]

38. Someone called Hillary a whore???

[wyldwolf]

40. MANY 'progressives' think it's clever to call people 'whores.'

https://www.google.com/search?q=hillary+whore&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&gws_rd=ssl

[orpupilofnature57]

151. WATCH THE EVIL PROGRESSIVES,, if a person sells themselves in the political sense, they are.

[wyldwolf]

152. Interesting you use a term usually designated for women

It's sexist and says a lot about those who use it.

[orpupilofnature57]

157. Been here 12 yrs there's another first, still no talking about the issues, just the critiques and

polls .

[wyldwolf]

160. it may be no one wants to discuss 'issues' with those who use sexist language

Of course, your 12 year run here has nothing to do with anything. You just haven't paid attention.

For example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1329193

http://election.democraticunderground.com/10026986431#post1

If you use it, you're a joke.

[orpupilofnature57]

170. Sorry, in the C choice {Politicians who seek $$$$ from corporations and banksters } is JUST what I

mean, and if that makes me a sexist why would I ask to be reinstated in the HOF thank goodness your Torquemada ass wasn't in on that or any other decision made here, so just keep taking your stickler bath .

[wyldwolf]

171. If you use a sexist word knowingly and, apparently, proudly, you're not to be taken seriously

[orpupilofnature57]

172. Dismiss all you want, apparently that's all you have .

[wyldwolf]

173. Use sexist language and you're dismissed.

[orpupilofnature57]

174. Ever here me use the word whore? Torquemada syndrome all for Marie Antoinette .

[wyldwolf]

175. actually, no, but I've seen you defend it's use.

[orpupilofnature57]

176. Guilty as charged .

[libodem]

58. Pretty sure

It was used as ' being a sell out' or 'peddling or pandering' to Wall Street or the Banks. I missed the kerfuffle.

It's a long time tradition to feign outrage over the intentional misinterpretation over any word that might be connotated as a slam at the female gender.

'Bastards' would never get the same kind of traction.

[JaneyVee]

63. Yeah, that makes it better.

[libodem]

77. I just don't think you can effectively squelch

Phrases like 'attention whore' where the intended meaning is not prostitute. Nor will you eliminate the word prostitute as an analogy to selling yourself out to a lobby or an institution.

Plus, I have nothing against the world's oldest profession or anyone who plys that trade. I respect the rights of anyone to make a living as long as it is entered into freely and of one'sown accord. Human trafficking be damned.

[SunSeeker]

66. Yes, and it survived an alert 4-3.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=13009

[SunSeeker]

89. Bull. It "named" Hillary. It just didn't use her actual name.

There is nothing "philosophical" about that vile, sexist post. None of the jurors who voted to keep it justified their decision.

[SunSeeker]

93. Seriously, you're defending that post?

Wow. Just wow.

[SunSeeker]

99. There is no other way to read that post.

Who the fuck do you think he was referring to?


And yeah, going to the lengths you're going to try to tell us we can't read and that post isn't saying what it's saying IS defending the post.

[SunSeeker]

109. I'm not cursing at you. Defending that "whore" post is out of line.

I didn't say f.u., I asked who the fuck you think he was referring to. DUers are allowed to use "fuck" in that context. I notice you didn’t answer my question.

[SunSeeker]

117. Disagreeing with you is not rudeness.

Again, who do you think he was referring to as being a "whore"?

[SunSeeker]

124. Spare me the faux outrage over the word "fuck."

Especially since you have no problem with the word "whore."

[Cha]

163. Yes, and the jury let it stand.. so it wasn't "just one person".

[Cha]

164. And, then there was a 'splainin' OP in GD on the use of "whore" on DU.

[jalan48]

43. We are all passionate about our candidate. Let's keep the focus on the issues.

[truebrit71]

45. I have you on ignore, not sure why I'm still seeing your...

... bullshit posts, especially this broad sweeping smear, but your "concern" has been noted.

[Omaha Steve]

49. K&R!

OS

[AtheistCrusader]

54. Your two cents are covered in the the same shit you loaded up that brush with, and rushed over here

to smear everyone with.

That's the thing when you start waving around a paint brush full of shit, you get some on yourself.

"Bernie supporters" as you have defined the group, didn't do any of that shit.

[SoapBox]

69. ^^^^^THIS!^^^^^

It's such bullshit, isn't it????

Right off the bat yesterday, we're all the little coded racist comments..."white Vermont" type crap.

SKINNER, you need to step in and BAN these bull racist attacks against any of the 5 candidates!

I'm gonna run out of room to block to all these people making such garbage attacks.

[PatrynXX]

62. well Hillary supporters doing the same thing

not very smart. totally alienated me and even with a gun to my back wont vote for her now. You assume her supporters aren't doing it too. Everyone does it. Now get back to reality.

[SunSeeker]

90. "even with a gun to my back wont vote for her"

Even if she's the Dem nominee?

[WIProgressive88]

106. I hear ya.

I WILL absolutely vote for Hillary should she get the nomination; there's far too much at stake should a Republican be allowed back in the Whitehouse, especially one from this crop of crazies. Still, the behavior of some of the Clinton backers certainly makes that thought difficult to stomach.

As far as the OP goes, I am behind Bernie 110%. I also support the BLM movement and have no problem with the way in which they sought to hold candidates accountable at Netroots. Bernie's record is as good as any other candidate when it comes to racial issues, but I find the criticism that he needs to do a better job of articulating his vision for racial justice to be completely valid. I did not see the post labeling the #BlackLivesMatter movement as "ratfuckers", but I find that description absolutely disgraceful, along with any posts referring to Hillary as a "whore." Disgusting. Terrible. No place for it on a progressive forum. Please stop painting all of us with such a broad brush due to the actions of a few; it only serves to alienate those whose support your candidate will need should she obtain the nomination.

[JDPriestly]

64. Actually, Bernie managed to speak in spite of the uproar.

I would have liked the chance to hear O'Malley. It was O'Malley who was really cheated by the disorganization.

I do not blame Black Lives Matter. The program organizers should have made room for both their demonstration which is extremely important and for the O'Malley and Sanders speeches.

As it was, none of it came across well.

The reading of the names of the Black people who have lost their lives due to police violence is long and should have been read slowly so that the length of that list and the gravity of the killings sinks in.

Instead the real tragedy was overshadowed by the noise. Neither O'Malley nor Sanders is hostile to the Black Lives Matter movement, and thus, the effort to highlight the wrongs in our police state that are not limited to the killings of Black suspects but are particularly dramatic in that area was overshadowed by a controversy about the manner of the demonstration and not the righteousness of the Black Lives Matter movement.

The demonstration was unnecessarily hostile and loud. In fact, the problem that is causing the deaths of so many Black suspects or supposed suspects is part of a pattern that extends from those deaths (at the worst end) to intrusive surveillance and passes through excessive charges for minor tickets, maybe police quotas, the larges prison population ever, militarized police forces and police who do not answer to the voters.

All of these factors relate to serious problems in our society going right back to privatization and our unfair tax system that doesn't use enough of our wealth to fund education, mental healthcare, clean streets and communities and safe places for people to meet outside their homes among other things.

The Black Lives Matters group needs to be included in Democratic events in a respectful way and not just left to make noise that doesn't really communicate their message very well.

There should be no possibility of any distance or misunderstanding or anger between the Black Lives Matters effort and any of the candidates. The kind of disruption that occurred is understandable because of the frustration of the leaders of Black people in the face of so much violence. But Black Lives Matters needs to distinguish its friends from its foes and not just lash out at everyone.

I would have liked to have heard what O'Malley says to the issues raised by Black Lives Matter because both he and Bernie had some good ideas.

I don't know where the fault for the mistakes made lie -- with Netroots organizers or with Black Lives Matter organizers, but the demonstration should have been better planned so that the candidates could respond to it.

As it was, Black Lives Matters missed a chance to make a lot of friends and instead left a bad impression for many people. Not for me or the candidates, I am sure. But definitely for lots of the supporters of the candidates.

Has Black Lives Matters demonstrated at any Hillary events? Seems like that is where the more conservative Democrats who may be less aware of the Black Lives Matter movement are likely to be found. Seems like that would be the place to demonstrate.

[Marty McGraw]

84. Really well Stated!

[99Forever]

102. Awesome post JDP. n/t

[Needa Moment]

67. BLM should have done

A much better job toward removing that slimy mooch Clive Bundy from 'our protected land'. I really hope he pays the price one day soon

[AgingAmerican]

71. Memo to Cali_Democrat

You are coming apart at the seams over a paid troll.

[Snotcicles]

78. Not surprised are you? nt

[Android3.14]

81. When you have to make crap up, meh

Apparently a good poutrage costs 2 cents.

[dpatbrown]

85. Low Life

Those who speak trash about Clinton, how do you think Sanders would feel about you? Grow up. It's very possible that Clinton will be the nominee. Then what? I'm 100% for Sanders, but tearing down his opposition belongs to the GOP. I will support her 100% too.

[LiberalAndProud]

86. Just so you know

I did neither of those things. I suggest you place the people who did on full ignore, because you they are convincing no one of anything. If you have decided that we're all like that, I think you would do well to spend some time off DU. Real life can be fascinating.

[Duval]

91. I couldn't agree more.

Thanks Cali_Democrat.

[barbtries]

98. i didn't see what you are referring to,

but i certainly hope that was just an outlier or 2.
i support Bernie, BUT
I am voting for the democratic nominee.
I like Hillary.
I like Joe Biden.
I am unfamiliar with O'Malley (did i get the name right?)

No candidate, no representative, no president will ever make me happy 100% of the time. It is not even realistic for me to to think one ever will. Hillary lost me in 2008 when she lied gratuitously. I don't like that Bernie supported arms manufacturers being immune to liability lawsuits. Bottom line i'm voting for the democrat every time and i will not fail to vote.

[DinahMoeHum]

103. Playing your allies like adversaries ain't too smart, either.

Cuts more ways than one, sweetheart.

[SunSeeker]

110. "Cuts more ways than one, sweetheart."

Quite a patronizing, sexist tone. Where'd you hear that one, on Mad Men?

[Paka]

104. How is that I miss all these ugly Bernie supporter posts?

Do you equate all the trolls with the sincere Bernie folks that abhor rudeness as much as you? There are as many people out there trying to bring Bernie down as there are negative of Hillary. Don't trust everything you read. Those of us who genuinely support Bernie do not stoop to the lows you like to accuse us of.

[KamaAina]

111. Please show me where any Bernie supporter did such a thing.

My guess is they are not Bernie supporters but trolls, except for the one guy who referred to Hillary in similarly misogynistic terms; he has been banned.

[whatchamacallit]

112. I might as well be the one to answer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=458522
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=458676

[Hekate]

136. Add to that Post 29 in this thread

Charming, but as an origin story for a slander it lacks certain something.

[whatchamacallit]

139. I'd rather just be responsible for my own posts

Last edited Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:53 PM - Edit history (1)

Starting with the OP, and continuing through the thread, there's been a lot of equating and conflating my words with those of other unsavory characters.

[Hekate]

166. Understood

And it's gone now

[whatchamacallit]

167. Cool

[MisterP]

113. saying Bernie supporters must be taught to be silent and blaming progressives for ignoring Black

issues IS ratfucking: their Tweets are archived for all to see

[gregcrawford]

115. I have been confronted on DU by a few...

... malicious jerks regarding my support for Bernie, and I cannot believe they are anything other than paid trolls. Their belligerence is intended to elicit a similar response which, if you take the bait, will earn you a nice fat ALERT.

I would like to think that DU regulars are above such despicable behavior.

Bernie Sanders is one of my senators; I have met and spoken with him, and I've followed his career since he first ran for mayor of Burlington. I have disagreed with him on a few rare occasions, like basing the F-35 in Burlington, but I still respect him immensely.

The lowlifes that would Swiftboat him would be well advised to steer clear of my little patch of Vermont; I am NOT a pacifist, and I know how to apply a fist to maximum effect.

I have zero patience with such people.

[skepticscott]

116. Um..so what are you saying?

That some people won't support a candidate because they've seen a very small minority of that candidates supporters (and NOT the candidate themselves) saying things they don't like?

Convince me that that makes even a dribble of sense. No matter what candidate you're talking about. You're not voting for their supporters, for pity's sake.

[Hekate]

123. I have a feeling Senator Sanders would agree with you if he were asked. He seems like a gentleman...

....a nice guy, probably even a mensch. He's an intelligent man. In addition to all of that -- he's been a politician most of his life.

For all of those reasons, he would not talk like that nor would he countenance his surrogates doing so. When the dust has settled, politicians of the same party will want to work together for common purposes, not survey a landscape of scorched earth on which nothing will grow.

I'm happy for the enthusiasm of the Sanders supporters around the country, but for the vocal toxic ones who dominate the dispute here, I'll say it again: you lost my support. And I'll say further: you couldn't be doing more harm to Bernie's cause if you were being paid to do so.

And since Skinner is giving you free rein to play just now, if any of you want to change the atmosphere, be my guest.

[Cha]

165. Yeah, I don't think bernie would be so proud of one of his fans calling Hillary "a wh**e" & the jury

letting it stand on DU.

'Course there were many posters.. Hillary and Bernie supporters who excoriated him for his classlessness.

Well said, Hekate.

"When the dust has settled, politicians of the same party will want to work together for common purposes, not survey a landscape of scorched earth on which nothing will grow."

[arcane1]

127. What kind of dumb-ass would feel "alienated" from a candidate because one person said "wh*re"?

If a single profane word from a single anonymous poster on a single website is all it takes to make someone stop supporting a candidate, then I doubt they ever supported them in the first place.

Your OP is pure fantasy.

[TheKentuckian]

130. Of course not but it combines attack with an excuse to stop playing wary supporter

and flip on over in earnest.

[beam me up scottie]

155. The same ones who ignore all the lies posted here about Sanders.

Everything from calling him a "draft dodging socialist" to claiming he thinks we've "overcome racism".

[Sancho]

131. The good think about primaries is that they expose weaknesses and issues for the general...

All the Democratic candidates need to recognize the recent shootings of unarmed blacks and the history of racism will require more than lip service.

Likewise, when you use offensive language and describe posters as whores, you are likely putting damage to your candidate. None of the 5 Democratic candidates deserve the personal attacks - all have good records as progressives.

In fact, all the "bash and trash" threads rarely change anyone's minds, especially when they are wild assertions and false premises with no real evidence.

I'm absolutely sure that ALL the Democratic candidates will modify their speeches, and even change their positions on issues as the primary continues.

[LWolf]

133. Memo to Cali Democrat:

I have referred to no one in my entire life as "ratfuckers," and I have never referred to Hillary Clinton as "whore."

I AM a woman. I haven't alienated myself. I have done nothing to alienate any other minorities, either.

This OP is pathetic.

[HFRN]

137. smells like false flag

False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to deceive the public in such a way that the operations appear as if they are being carried out by other entities.

doesnt have to be done by any other campaigns, even a lone troll can do a false flag

[orpupilofnature57]

153. Still nothing on what Hillary is doing, saying, just waving and spewing platitudes .

Just think if Bernie would go away the Republicans will run for their lives, being she is so qualified and the Honest person to take the bull by the horns even when it's unpopular, right? Yeah right .

[Number23]

168. These people have lost their minds. Very kind of you to offer words of advice

which we all know will go completely unheeded.

Ratfuckers is one of the nicer things these people have said about #BlackLivesMatter. I've seen posts from people here so mad they are *thiiiiiiis* close to calling them "thugs." Or worse.

So proud to have these people on my side.

[Bobbie Jo]

192. Welp, looks like you called this one too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=27321

Yep, went there...

Holy crap, people.

[Number23]

193. Yep. And that one wailed for days when I blocked him from the AA group a couple of months ago

These people truly don't understand that they are NOT new and WE SEE THEM.

[40RatRod]

179. This is why I found myself banned from posting on a forum for Bernie.

Cali_Democrat expressed my exact thoughts!
I was not even aware there was a forum just for Bernie (or Hillary, if there is one).
I have not been on DU long enough to understand all the rules but I am still trying to get educated.
I read every single thread and occasionally comment. That got me banned since I made a comment about how disgusting it was, IMHO, for us to trash each other's preferred candidate. I still find it disgusting and was even called a troll for my thoughts but hopefully, since this is not a Bernie forum, I won't get kicked off DU for saying this.
With that said, I will vote for the winner of the primary, whoever, but there is no excuse to attempt to divide us and with "trash" talk about a candidate to the point that we would actually consider taking our marbles and going home if our preferred candidate is not the nominee and then refusing not vote for the nominee which would make us a GOP voter.
I will consider it a badge of honor to support either Bernie or Hillary.
Worse yet, would be to encourage the running of a candidate as a third party if they are not the nominee, if our favorite does not make it. I am confident neither Bernie or Hillary would never consider that. Were we to have a third party (Can you say Ralph Nader whose division is responsible for the current tragedy in the Middle East right now, as much as the Little Texan and Darth Vadar some of us put into office by splitting our vote?)
Finally, the title of Cali_Democrat's thread was "Memo to Bernie supporters" I also saw another thread popup started by a Bernie supporter called "Memo to my Fellow Bernie Supporters" which seemed like an attempt to hi-jack Cali_Democrat's thread "Memo to Bernie supporters". If that was the purpose, then that is exactly my understanding of the OP's thread.
If I am wrong, then I apologize and ask forgiveness as a newbie I am still learning the ropes and understanding the feelings and positions of the prolific posters on DU.

[m-lekktor]

184. yes there is a Hilllary group and people get easily banned there as well.

the groups are set aside so supporters can discuss issues and critics are not allowed. as of this time there are 127 people banned from the Hillary group and 58 people banned from the Bernie group. There is a place that shows the names and how many. I believe the Hillary group has been around much longer and that is probably why there are more banned there. You are just new and arent aware of how this place works yet! there's lots to obsorb!

[Fearless]

183. Memo to concern trolls

Taking advantage of INDIVIDUAL posters words and using them as smear against ENTIRE GROUPS of DU'ers (no less) to score political points is just as bad as using those individual words themselves to score points against other groups of DU'ers.

[progressoid]

187. Who called BLM ratfuckers?

I just did four different searches of DU and couldn't find anything referring to the #BlackLivesMatter movement as ratfuckers

[bravenak]

188. It went on all day.

Try the Bernie thereads. Try berniesoblack thread.

[m-lekktor]

194. I saw it quite a few times.

I am a Bernie supporter I wouldn't lie. people referred to the interruptions by BLM as ratfucking.

[Capt. Obvious]

189. This OP might actually mean something

if posted by someone who is not one of the more prolific shit stirrers.

Just my two cents.