Will Sanders Stun Hillary In 2016 Like Obama Did In 2008? - MarketWatch

[WillyT]

Will Sanders stun Hillary in 2016 like Obama did in 2008?
Vermont senator gets enthusiastic support from ‘Warren’ wing of party
By Darrell Delamaide - MarketWatch
Published: June 24, 2015 6:00 a.m. ET



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WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Elizabeth Warren has officially missed the boat on running for president, but that doesn’t mean Hillary Clinton has clear sailing to the Democratic nomination. Two leaders of the “Ready for Warren” movement that sought to draft the Massachusetts Democrat have accepted her decision not to run and switched their support to Vermont independent Bernie Sanders as the new standard bearer for progressive policies.

These policies, which are resonating with enthusiastic crowds, include federal investment in infrastructure to create jobs; a higher minimum wage; paid sick leave; higher tax rates for the rich; campaign finance reform; a tougher line on trade accords; subsidies for higher education; and further reforms to guarantee health care for all, among others.

“While Warren is the champion who inspired this movement, the draft effort was never just about her — it’s about her message and the values she represents,” Erica Sagrans and Charles Lenchner wrote last week in a blog post on CNN. “Bernie Sanders has caught fire in a way that’s reminiscent of the draft-Warren movement itself — from the Internet to town halls in Iowa, Sanders has captured the imagination and support of people looking for a real progressive challenger in the 2016 Democratic primary.”

Indeed, as reports flood in from Iowa, New Hampshire, Las Vegas, Denver, Minneapolis, and elsewhere of standing-room-only crowds, switches to larger venues to accommodate the thousands of people who show up for his rallies, and impassioned testimonials from Democratic voters, Sanders is clearly on his way to realizing the hopes many had pinned on Warren.

So “Ready for Warren” has become “Ready to Fight” and endorsed Sanders for president, a move that could bolster his nascent campaign infrastructure and channel grassroots donations to the Vermont senator.

While Sagrans and Lenchner don’t completely abandon hope of convincing Warren to run, the success of Sanders on the campaign trail and their support for him make it less likelier than ever that she will enter the race.

None of this matters, however, to the Beltway pundits who...

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[DanTex]

1. No. But he does have important things to say.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. Why do you think not? If anything....

he is the only candidate right now with what could be described as 'momentum'. He's tapping into grass roots better than Hillary and O'Malley and I can only see his stock rising during the debates. I have my doubts about him, but not when it comes to possibly pulling the upset.

[DanTex]

5. He's got a little momentum, true, but still is way behind in the polls.

I just don't see him getting close, even. It's a totally different situation than 2008. Obama had huge fundraising numbers and insider support from the beginning. And he was also an amazing speaker, a once-in-a-generation candidate. And even then, he barely beat Hillary.

Bernie's no Obama.

[catnhatnh]

7. Latest CNN/WMUR poll for New Hampshire...

Clinton 43%, Sanders 35%. And the Clinton campaign is already downplaying the damage if Sanders takes NH and Iowa...

[DanTex]

8. Yeah, but that's New Hampshire.

[catnhatnh]

9. Yeah...

You remember-the state Clinton won in 2008.

[DanTex]

10. It's also Bernie's backyard.

[catnhatnh]

12. Oh that's right...

he's one state closer to NH then Clinton was as NY Senator-Does that make Bernie inevitable? Do you figure we don't know Clinton?

[DanTex]

13. NH is much more similar to VT than to NY. Rural, white...

The equivalent with respect to NY might be CT, NJ, or PA.

Nationally, Hillary is still way ahead.

[catnhatnh]

16. That is my exact point...

Where Bernie has the highest name recognition he is closing the gap on Clinton very quickly. What do you think that will mean as he gains national exposure. We gave Clinton our support last time she ran and this time we are trending toward another candidate whose name recognition, while still lower than Clinton's, is better than the national average here. We are not crazy and we know and like Sanders.

[DanTex]

17. I think it's less the name recognition than the demographics. But we'll see.

[tularetom]

14. No but Clinton is still Clinton

And she doesn't wear well at all.

The more you see of her the less you like her.

[HappyMe]

15. Like the last time, she will wear out her welcome.

[morningfog]

19. Yep. 8 years later, she still has the name and the money,

but little more. No, Sanders is not Obama. Sanders is Sanders. Obama was what the dems wanted and needed in 08, Sanders is what we want and need in 16.

[azmom]

21. I feel the same.

[zappaman]

3. I asked the magic eightball...

[winter is coming]

4. Way too early to say one way or the other, but the latest NH poll is promising! n/t

[DJ13]

6. Hillary can't lose!

- common wisdom from 2007

[HappyMe]

11. Inevitable!!11

[Bernie 2016]

20. So inevitable, I just received an official invitation

in the mail from President-elect Clinton for her inauguration scheduled for January 20, 2017... front row seats!

[L0oniX]

18. K & R

[DVRacer]

22. With any luck

[raouldukelives]

23. No, she'll be anticipating the stun this time. nt