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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 12:17 PM Jan 2012

Department of self-defeating arguments

Department of self-defeating arguments

By Steve Benen

Congressional Republicans are still quite outraged by President Obama’s recess appointments last week, and plan to take up a resolution criticizing the move — just as soon as they return from recess.

Rep. Diane Black (Tenn.) and 71 other House Republicans introduced a nonbinding resolution today voicing concern over President Barack Obama’s recess appointment of four administration nominees last week.

“It’s astounding to me that the president is claiming these are recess appointments and within his authority, when Congress was not in fact in recess,” Black said. “These appointments are an affront to the Constitution. No matter how you look at this, it doesn’t pass the smell test. I hope the House considers my resolution as soon as we return to Washington so we can send a message to President Obama.” (emphasis added)

Jonathan Bernstein called this the “best self-refuting argument ever,” adding, “(W)e’re to believe that it’s outrageous for the president to call what’s happening now a recess, and the House intends to take it up as soon as they get back into town after recessing for the holiday.”

Exactly. The president decided lawmakers had left town for a congressional recess. Lawmakers effectively endorsed the line when they said the White House couldn’t submit a request for a debt-ceiling increase while they were on a congressional recess.

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I’d encourage Republicans to think this one through a little more, but I’m not sure they’d understand the problem even if they pondered the contradiction.

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Department of self-defeating arguments (Original Post) ProSense Jan 2012 OP
That is great. Skinner Jan 2012 #1
The amazing part is that ANYONE is still fooled by their act. n/t Scuba Jan 2012 #2
It's easy to fool people who love to be fooled. Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #5
Well, "we're good, they're evil" is awful easy on the brain. n/t Scuba Jan 2012 #7
Yup, it beats thinking any day of the week and twice on Sunday... Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #8
classic! unblock Jan 2012 #3
The truth will surely surface socialindependocrat Jan 2012 #4
It is a sickness being a republican. louis-t Jan 2012 #6
A lot of Americans don't Iliyah Jan 2012 #9
Bitch and whine some more guys. Hahahahahahahaha!!!! center rising Jan 2012 #10
Oh, perfect! MineralMan Jan 2012 #11
The repugs can go fuck themselves. n/t Hotler Jan 2012 #12
State of the Union Address Blacksheep214 Jan 2012 #13
So the republicans want to rant from the halls of Congress... usaf-vet Jan 2012 #14
The Republican Plan Blacksheep214 Jan 2012 #15
I'm not a Republican, or a supporter of their policies, but... JayhawkSD Jan 2012 #42
Ohfercryinoutloud. progressoid Jan 2012 #16
How dare he make a recess appt when we're in recess! DevonRex Jan 2012 #17
"BRING IT PUNKS" Veracious Jan 2012 #18
Which is worse Madmiddle Jan 2012 #19
Jeez... It's my first term rep Diane Black. 4_TN_TITANS Jan 2012 #20
In other words......business as usual thelordofhell Jan 2012 #21
Let's see them impeach Obama over this. I dare them. alfredo Jan 2012 #23
Sort of remindes me of the Monty Python Argument Sketch tk2kewl Jan 2012 #22
No it doesn't . Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #41
They have a remarkable dedication to not thinking. n/t Ed Suspicious Jan 2012 #24
lol silly Republicans (n/t) a2liberal Jan 2012 #25
As soon as I get back to your house, I will get the deed and prove Suji to Seoul Jan 2012 #26
Please repugs don't talk about it just do it. Botany Jan 2012 #27
And the lamestream media will continue to give them a pass BumRushDaShow Jan 2012 #28
What will they do stop working? Magoo48 Jan 2012 #29
They don't even try to hide what they are doing anymore. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2012 #30
He's encouraging Republicans to think? Jester Messiah Jan 2012 #31
Also , the GOP previously admitted that that ARE in recess, see link below Tx4obama Jan 2012 #32
They make it sound like he's a playground bully during recess. RedCloud Jan 2012 #33
Sounds like something Groucho would say n/t wryter2000 Jan 2012 #34
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2012 #35
The ability of republicans to be self-contradictory is amazing usrname Jan 2012 #36
If you can't perform the functions you were elected for Blacksheep214 Jan 2012 #37
Forgive me if I don't understand all the rules about presidential appointments. mysuzuki2 Jan 2012 #38
D'ohhh! Yet again, placing themselves above the people's business. n/t BadgerKid Jan 2012 #39
Ahh I love the smell of republican hypocrisy in the morning its so.......refreshing!!! cstanleytech Jan 2012 #40

socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
4. The truth will surely surface
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 12:33 PM
Jan 2012

...if you let them talk long enough.

Lying is trickey
especially when the brain follows an innate logic

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
9. A lot of Americans don't
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 01:09 PM
Jan 2012

know what shenanigans goes on with the goppers in the congress so therefore let them make more of a fool of themselves. I believe America is finally waking up to them and getting effing tired of it.

Where are the jobs?

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
11. Oh, perfect!
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 01:16 PM
Jan 2012

We're gonna get that Obama for those recess appointments just as soon as we get back to DC from our recess.

Morons abound, even in the Congress.

 

Blacksheep214

(877 posts)
13. State of the Union Address
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 01:23 PM
Jan 2012

With the President in charge and before the country, this should be interesting while he explains all the delays, fillibuster threats, and other obstructionist tactics the Repubs are using to screw us.

Republicans are anti-American people. They live to make our existence pitiful while they live in lux.

usaf-vet

(6,181 posts)
14. So the republicans want to rant from the halls of Congress...
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 01:34 PM
Jan 2012

... that they support denying protections for middle class consumers. They would prefer letting the banks, payday lenders and credit card companies continue their unregulated extraction of wealth from middle class consumers.

WE ONLY PROTECT THE 1% is their message.

Republicans you have the floor go for it.

 

Blacksheep214

(877 posts)
15. The Republican Plan
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 01:44 PM
Jan 2012

A return to the good old days before the EPA, AQMD and other nuisances Mitt misses.



A burning river in 1969, the Cuyahoga to be precise.

This is the Republican America.



Guess who lives in filtered air and water homes?

Meanwhile we die of asthma and other crap due to no healthcare.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
42. I'm not a Republican, or a supporter of their policies, but...
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 02:15 AM
Jan 2012

...you picked a bad example. During 2010, the second full year of Obama’s first term, the release of toxic chemicals into the environment rose by 16% nationwide. The following year’s budget for the EPA was cut from $10.3 billion to $8.3 billion. Obama’s role in that cut is unclear, but he certainly did not lead any public resistance to the reduction, nor is he including environmental issues in his campaign rhetoric today.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
17. How dare he make a recess appt when we're in recess!
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 02:02 PM
Jan 2012

And when I get off this jungle gym and my mommy takes me back to DC, I'm gonna throw a tantrum. Just see if I don't!

Veracious

(234 posts)
18. "BRING IT PUNKS"
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 02:12 PM
Jan 2012

LOL these Republicans need a serious political beatdown. There is nothing wrong with making sure Americans have a good consumer protection agency.

 

Madmiddle

(459 posts)
19. Which is worse
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 02:13 PM
Jan 2012

vacationing through the month of January while they're actually suppose to be working, drawing on an enormous salary that they're not earning, truly screwing the American taxpayer out of millions or, appointing a consumer advocate to watch over organizations that are defrauding the American people. I'm guessing that skipping out on work, while earning way more money than any of the Grand Old (ripoff)Party assholes are worth, is gonna get more airplay than anyhting the GOP whines about.

4_TN_TITANS

(2,977 posts)
20. Jeez... It's my first term rep Diane Black.
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
Jan 2012

Chalk this one up to zero experience at what she's talking about. Why, oh why did Bart Gordon have to retire.

 

Suji to Seoul

(2,035 posts)
26. As soon as I get back to your house, I will get the deed and prove
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:00 PM
Jan 2012

it's your house. Then you will have to leave.

What logic these new-age Republicans have?

Botany

(70,501 posts)
27. Please repugs don't talk about it just do it.
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:15 PM
Jan 2012

House Repugs:

That Obama is runnin' wild. He's thinking of going to the mattresses already.

President Obama:

No, no, no! No more! Not this time. No more meetings, no more discussions, no more Republican tricks.
You give 'em one message: I want Cantor. If not, it's all-out war: we go to the mattresses.



******

This will play right into Obama's hands and allow him to paint the repugs as they are which is
obstructionist ass hats.

BumRushDaShow

(128,909 posts)
28. And the lamestream media will continue to give them a pass
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:23 PM
Jan 2012

as they too blind themselves to the contradictions because it makes good tabloid journalism.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
31. He's encouraging Republicans to think?
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 06:28 PM
Jan 2012

Republicans who think don't stay Republicans for very long... ah, the strategy has become clear.

RedCloud

(9,230 posts)
33. They make it sound like he's a playground bully during recess.
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 06:56 PM
Jan 2012

I hope they check the swings before they start pumping!

 

usrname

(398 posts)
36. The ability of republicans to be self-contradictory is amazing
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 08:08 PM
Jan 2012

I've never seen a group or individual that can contradict itself so thoroughly and completely. I thought, hey, GWBush had hundreds of recess appointments, hundreds of signing statements, 1/3 of his time in office gone for vacation. But when Obama does a couple of recess appointments, a couple of signing statements and an occasional vacation, the GOP goes nuts and exaggerates on the move.

But this one really takes the cake because they're contradicting themselves within their own statement. They are really saying, "No, you're not allowed to make a recess appointment during our recess."

 

Blacksheep214

(877 posts)
37. If you can't perform the functions you were elected for
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 08:19 PM
Jan 2012

Then you must be on recess. There is no middle here, like being half-way pregnant.

(I see the edit and smiley buttons are back, YAY!)

mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
38. Forgive me if I don't understand all the rules about presidential appointments.
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 09:49 PM
Jan 2012

Could the President someone as "acting head" of a department until Congress approves a permanent head?

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