2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWake Up, Democrats, and Start Working, Republicans Now Lead Senate 52-48
A number of races have flipped in the last month...it could all come down to the ground game...
http://www.borntorunthenumbers.com/2014/10/senate-update-election-2014-wake-up.html
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... the 50% of the electorate who usually don't bother to vote instead of trying to peel off the mythical moderate Republican voter!!!
vi5
(13,305 posts)You mean cowering in a corner and waiting for the Republican candidate to implode and do or say something so stupid it ruins their chances isn't proving a winning strategy this time?
How surprising.
You mean not making a case why people should vote for Dems other than that "the other guy is crazy" isn't motivating people.
How very shocking.
Doesn't matter though. Whatever happens it will be the left's fault for not showing up. No proof or anything of the sort will be given for that assertion yet it will be taken as bible truth by our very serious, centrist leaders.
on point
(2,506 posts)Part of results of Dem party supporting blue dog Dems over legitimate dems in the last few election cycles. Blue dogs not different enough and no real dems left to make the case for dems. Inside the beltway cronyism implodes and Dem leadership has only itself to blame
And what if your Dem is a neocon?
brooklynite
(94,519 posts)who's voted counter to Democratic positions in any significant way.
FBaggins
(26,731 posts)that isn't running against a candidate who is much farther to the right.
Vots
(24 posts)Sure the Repub is further to the right on everything else, but my number 1 issue is US interventionism. And when my Democrat rep is voting for war resolutions and supports foreign intervention, I can not possibly vote for them.
I have no right to send some kid to die for nothing, and that's what I'd be doing in my situation.
FBaggins
(26,731 posts)... oh wait. I forgot that it wasn't.
It's my #1 issue. I find it morally wrong to send people off to die for unjust reasons. I will absolutely not support that.
If that means I just write in a real liberal or don't vote at all, so be it. Having no blood on my hands trumps everything else
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)You will have blood on your hands if you toss away your vote and the GOP wins. The GOP has done their best to see us dead and we sure as heck are dying.
Programs will be cut and remedies will be stalled for the elderly and food assistance for children. Veterans benefits stalled, raising the damn minimum wage can't pass, simple laws about gun control are ignored, more so much more. Do you really think people are not dying?
Peace, yes I want that too. I want the peace for a child not to starve. I want the peace for the elderly knowing they can live out the rest of their lives in dignity. I want veterans that had to fight those wars have a sense of peace and dignity for serving their country and the quality care they so richly deserve.
Peace~
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)intend it too. I wish there was a board were people like you could go and kiss each other's platitudes.
Your sanctimonious bullshit will not help with jobs or hunger or education or anything else. Stay home and be part of the problem that gave the Senate away and by God own it!
trueblue2007
(17,217 posts)bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)Marko (kos) was on Mark Thompson show Thursday and said he's not trusting even his latest polling this time around.Because there's a new poll out everyday on Senate races that jump from big numbers to numbers.He said polling doesn't do that
FBaggins
(26,731 posts)It appears consistent with the other predictions and polling.
http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/senate-model/comparisons.html
Worse than that... there's no gurantee that Orman or King would caucus with Democrats if we no longer held the majority.
tgards79
(1,415 posts)The Senate will be lost without massive GOTV efforts by Dems.
DFW
(54,369 posts)I know only one independent pollster and that's Charlie Cook, one who I consider to be truly independent of outide influences. Interestingly, he is the one with the most tossups where others see solid Republican victories.
I also know Angus King slightly, and I am fairly confident he will continue to caucus with us. He is a really nice guy in person, and people like that don't tend to hang around the likes of Mitch McConnell and Marco Rubio.
FBaggins
(26,731 posts)Charlie Cook isn't a pollster. He's a political analyst who uses the same polls we see (as well as some inside connections to some party pollsters) to evaluate the races.
And the reason that he has the most tossups where others show strong leanings toward or party or the other... is that he has a longstanding policy of not placing an incumbent any worse than "tossup" until just before the election unless there's an indictment involved (or similar handicap). So it doesn't matter, for instance, that Mark Pryor is fairly regularly polling in the low 40s (even cracking into the high 30s in the most recent PPP poll)... or that incumbents with those kinds of numbers are is serious trouble. He's going to continue calling that race a toss up. If that changes, we'll know that we're in real trouble... because the only time I can remember that happening was 2010.
I also know Angus King slightly, and I am fairly confident he will continue to caucus with us.
I'm sure that he'll continue to vote with us on issues of importance, but he represents his constituents. If Republicans take the senate with a clear majority (meaning, for instance, that we aren't waiting on a LA runoff to decide things), his constituents could be better served by someone in the majority caucus.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)The TeaLeft will stay home and bitch away about the Democrats in TeaLeft purity, thus helping the ReSCUMlicans win, then bitch even louder and blame the Democrats even more for forcing them to stay home on their couches instead of taking a few minutes to go vote. Round and round their nonsense goes, where it stops...well, it never will.
You're pissing into the wind here.
Go talk to your friends and neighbors. Go phonebank. Go knock on doors for your Dem candidates. But don't try to convince the TeaLeft.
4dsc
(5,787 posts)If only they made some kind of appeal with their campaign promises to the Tealeft that might get them out to vote. Most of the candidates lack the will and spirit to kick their opponents to the ground during the campaign because they are seeking out the middle ground. Fuck the middle ground. If I want middle ground I'd vote for republicans.
Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)If Your not going to the polls to vote for Democratic candidates in November, in my opinion you have no place here on DemocraticUnderground.com and I hope that is not the case....
tgards79
(1,415 posts)...you need to get others to the polls! If you are on DU you are already unusually politically active. You are the type who should be calling to GOTV.
Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)DFW
(54,369 posts)I got my absentee ballot last week (Dallas is usually very good about that). I hold no illusions of unseating Cornyn in the Senate, but I still hold out a sliver of hope that Wendy will surprise us all in Austin.
tgards79
(1,415 posts)Abbott's lead is about 10, and this has not changed for months. But it is not 20 and that itself is encouraging. Turnout a must.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Have been seriously surprised by minimal support for local candidates by local dem org and by minimal support for congressional candidates by national dems. From now on my money goes directly to candidates.