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Sun Sep 21, 2014, 09:29 PM

MSNBC: Climate activists not ready for Hillary

Climate activists not ready for Hillary

NEW YORK – Some of the prominent environmental activists who gathered Sunday in New York City for a massive climate change march are not ready to support Hillary Clinton if she decides to run for president.

“I think Hillary Clinton has an awful lot to demonstrate to environmentalists and people who care about climate change,” Bill McKibben, the founder of 350.org, who helped organize the march, told msnbc. “She oversaw the complete fiasco that was the Copenhagen Conference as secretary of state. That was the biggest foreign policy failure since Munich. It’s not a proud record.”

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And on Sunday, Clinton allies defended her environmental bona fides. “As Secretary Of State, Hillary Clinton led efforts to combat the growing threat of climate change both at home and abroad. Clinton created a special envoy for climate change, and she launched the Climate and Clean Air Coalition – a group of 37 countries that agreed to work to reduce their emissions. At the Clean Energy Summit held recently in Nevada, Clinton said climate change is ‘the most consequential, urgent, sweeping collection of challenges we face as a nation and a world,’” said Adrienne Watson of the pro-Clinton rapid response group Correct the Record.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/climate-activists-not-ready-hillary-clinton

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Reply MSNBC: Climate activists not ready for Hillary (Original post)
RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 OP
NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #1
SheilaT Sep 2014 #2
roguevalley Sep 2014 #41
Nite Owl Sep 2014 #3
navarth Sep 2014 #6
brooklynite Sep 2014 #4
rhett o rick Sep 2014 #7
brooklynite Sep 2014 #10
RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #20
rhett o rick Sep 2014 #25
daleanime Sep 2014 #28
wyldwolf Sep 2014 #42
freshwest Sep 2014 #14
Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #5
rhett o rick Sep 2014 #8
Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #9
cprise Sep 2014 #12
Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #15
RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #19
rhett o rick Sep 2014 #23
AtomicKitten Sep 2014 #34
rhett o rick Sep 2014 #38
Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #45
InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2014 #21
rhett o rick Sep 2014 #24
Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #26
rhett o rick Sep 2014 #27
Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #30
rhett o rick Sep 2014 #32
Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #33
AtomicKitten Sep 2014 #35
rhett o rick Sep 2014 #39
LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #43
freshwest Sep 2014 #13
RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #17
Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #18
LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #31
greatlaurel Sep 2014 #44
cprise Sep 2014 #11
nichomachus Sep 2014 #16
InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2014 #22
daleanime Sep 2014 #29
LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #36
AtomicKitten Sep 2014 #37
RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #40
AtomicKitten Sep 2014 #46
RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #47
AtomicKitten Sep 2014 #48
RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #49

Response to RufusTFirefly (Original post)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 09:31 PM

1. K/R. nt

 

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Original post)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 09:35 PM

2. They're not the only ones.

 

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 05:39 PM

41. here, hear, Sheila T

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Original post)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 09:42 PM

3. Her State Dept

Thought that the Keystone pipeline was ok!
Someone ends to ask her about tracking among othe things.

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Response to Nite Owl (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:18 PM

6. you mean fracking. nt

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Original post)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:09 PM

4. Climate march attendance: 500,000. Hillary voters in 2008: 17 million.

If Hillary decides to run in 2016, all signs are she'll get a substantial share of Democratic voters.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:21 PM

7. So let me guess your point. 17 million people love H. Clinton so the mere 500,000

 

climate change marchers can get stuffed. Sadly her popularity is more important to many than the dangers from climate change.

A vote for H. Clinton is a vote for eight more years of the status quo. The lower classes better tighten their belts.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:28 PM

10. No, my point is...

Perhaps "prominent environmental activists" don't reflect the breadth of the full Democratic Party, or the total range of issues it cares about.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 11:21 PM

20. Great point! Climate is just one of those fringe issues that only tree-huggers care about!

As for me, I'm off on a Walmart shopping spree in my Hummer. Care to join me?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 12:51 AM

25. Right! So what that environmentalists don't like H. Clinton, it's just one of many areas of

 

concern for Democrats. Well in my book Climate Change is one of the major issues along with wealth inequality, Wall Street corruption, and a hawkish foreign policy. She strikes out in all cases. Where does she shine for you?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 01:37 AM

28. exactly

just like her stand on never-ending war.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 08:17 PM

42. Don't use math. It confuses the fundamentalists here.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:50 PM

14. She'll need about 50 million to overcome the Kochknuckleheaded voting block.

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Original post)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:17 PM

5. Hillary has a voting record on many different topics and now where she stands

On Environmental issues.

•$5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package. (Jan 2008)
•Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain. (Jan 2008)
•A comprehensive energy plan as our Apollo moon shot. (Jan 2008)
•Advocate a cap and trade system. (Dec 2007)
•Better track kids’ products for exposures to toxic materials. (Dec 2007)
•Support green-collar job training. (Aug 2007)
•Put someone in charge of Katrina recovery who actually cares. (Aug 2007)
•Overcome almost criminal indifference to Katrina rebuilding. (Jun 2007)
•Launched EPA study of air quality at Ground Zero. (Jun 2007)
•Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection. (Jan 2007)
•Stands for clean air and funding the EPA. (Sep 2000)
•Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health. (Jun 1998)
•Voted YES on including oil & gas smokestacks in mercury regulations. (Sep 2005)
•Voted NO on confirming Gale Norton as Secretary of Interior. (Jan 2001)
•Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles. (Apr 2001)
•Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes. (Dec 2003)
•EPA must do better on mercury clean-up. (Apr 2004)
•Sponsored bill for tax credit to remove lead-based paint. (Nov 2005)
•Sponsored bill for commission to examine Katrina response. (Sep 2005)
•Sponsored health impact bill for environmental health. (Apr 2006)
•Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act. (Apr 2008)
•Inter-state compact for Great Lakes water resources. (Jul 2008)
•Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting. (Jan 2007)

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:24 PM

8. You left out that she dumped her Democratic Values and her integrity when she decided

 

to vote with the Republicans to authorize Dick Cheney to invade Iraq. Why should we trust her?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:27 PM

9. Are you a single issue voter?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:46 PM

12. Are you a trivializer of war?

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Response to cprise (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:51 PM

15. I am saying there are many issues which needs to be taken into account to make a

Choice in who you cast a vote. When someone list one issue I wonder if they are making their decision on one issue as many of the RW do.

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Response to cprise (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 11:03 PM

19. And speaking of war: Who's the single worst polluter on the planet?

If you guessed, "The U.S. Defense Department," give yourself a prize.

So, Hillary's unflagging support for military adventurism is not just a single issue. It's also an endorsement of climate destruction.

Woo hoo!


US Department of Defense is the Worst Polluter on the Planet

The US military is responsible for the most egregious and widespread pollution of the planet, yet this information and accompanying documentation goes almost entirely unreported. In spite of the evidence, the environmental impact of the US military goes largely unaddressed by environmental organizations and was not the focus of any discussions or proposed restrictions at the recent UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen. This impact includes uninhibited use of fossil fuels, massive creation of greenhouse gases, and extensive release of radioactive and chemical contaminants into the air, water, and soil.

http://www.projectcensored.org/2-us-department-of-defense-is-the-worst-polluter-on-the-planet/

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 12:40 AM

23. How very cold. That "single issue" brought about the deaths of thousands of our young men and

 

women. It cause many, many thousands to be wounded. It cause damage to the lives of thousands more, to the point that many kill themselves every day. Then there is the damage done to our economy. A damage so terrible that I doubt we will ever recover. And what about the tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi children that were horribly killed in a war that the republicans wanted, a war the warmongers and neocons wanted, a war that most of the world did not want.

She betrayed us and joined with George Bush. How can you ever trust her?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #23)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 02:49 PM

34. well said

truth

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 03:35 PM

38. I am glad you asked. I also don't like her stand on the XL Pipeline, fracking, the TPP

 

Wall Street, or her hawkish foreign policies. Are you ok with her stand on these important issues?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #38)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 09:43 PM

45. Oh, yea, doesn't make her wrong.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 12:02 AM

21. Yup, warmonger Hillary lost all credibility with that vote.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 12:42 AM

24. Exactly, the repercussions were horrible. Many here say how they despise the Republicans, but

 

then they are ok with a Democrat that supported those same republicans in the worst decision this country has made in a century.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #24)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 12:54 AM

26. I got you, seems like you take one issue on which to vote, Elizabeth voted the same way Ted Cruz

voted, guess they support each other.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #26)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 01:01 AM

27. How ridiculous that you would equate some vote where Sen Warren and Sen Cruz voted

 

the same and equate it with the worst mistake made by our country in a century. H. Clinton voted for a war that resulted in tens of thousands of deaths and you trivialize it. She isn't the only choice, so why would you support someone with zero integrity?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #27)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 12:12 PM

30. Trivialize, HA, when voting to take action against ISIS who are raping women, capturing women for

the pleasure of their troops, who are in the mood to kill more, who imprisoned people on a mountain top simply because they had a different religion. I am terribly disappointed in Elizabeth Warren to vote no on this, she needs to think about the women who are being abused if nothing else. Yes I will vote for someone with integrity on the values I place on a candidate. Warren made a mistake on this vote, yes I know she is your choice but when doing wrong you still hold her up on a pedestal. You want her to be a good candidate, get her on the right track.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #30)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 01:12 PM

32. The "right track"? Really? Is H. Clinton on the "right track"? I wouldn't disagree. I prefer Sen

 

Warren stay on the "left track". Neocons have no place in the Democratic Party. There are two branches of the Democratic Party, the Progressive Branch and the warmongering, neocon, conservative Branch.

I will support candidates with integrity.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #32)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 01:35 PM

33. So you support Hillary Clinton, thank you.

Elizabeth Warren stands with let them rape the women.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #33)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 02:52 PM

35. good god what a horrible thing to say

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #33)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 03:39 PM

39. I am disappointed but not surprised.

 

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #33)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:14 PM

43. That is so low. How dare you.

 

In order to prop up Hillary you have to tear down Warren with that filthy rubbish.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:48 PM

13. Thanks again, but this will not be discussed at DU...

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:57 PM

17. Hey! Great list! You deserve a bonus!

I bet you rattled those off right off the top of your head. Good job!

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #17)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 11:01 PM

18. Thank you very much.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 12:13 PM

31. Sorry, but that list does not impress me in the least.

 

In fact, it is a clear example that she will 'go along' with anything that is obvious and use others work to clip onto and assume credits. How could she NOT support some of these things? There is a universe of difference between support and going out there in front and initiating. What has she DONE, that is hers, that she fought for and that she had to get others on board to support and that she had to take risks for?

EPA must do better on mercury clean-up.

My, how bold! Not Very.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:47 PM

44. Good post

The work HRC and her staff did on the air quality at Ground Zero was outstanding. There was very little coverage of the work she did on this. She showed a depth of knowledge at the hearings that helped in getting benefits for the first responders and the clean up workers. It is shocking to me how little the supposed leaders in the environmental movement recognized this issue, at the time. They really dropped the ball in standing up for the workers. Reading the transcripts of the hearings made me an HRC fan before she ran for president.

HRC exposed the Bush administration, including Christie Todd Whitman, and Rudy Giuliani for the criminals they are. The refusal to require the workers and residents to wear breathing protection was an act of willful and criminal malfeasance. They knew those workers and responders would have their health permanently degraded and their lives shortened. Of course, the news media ignored this scandal. Why did the news media ignore Whitman's order to stop monitoring the air quality at Ground Zero.

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Original post)

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:53 PM

16. Just another corporatist warmonger

No more dynasties.

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Response to nichomachus (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 12:03 AM

22. You said it; we can definitely do better.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #22)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 01:46 AM

29. We need to do better....

but I sure the choir will spent the next two years telling us have no choice.

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Response to daleanime (Reply #29)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 03:00 PM

36. There will be a robust primary with many challengers to the Inevitable.

 

All the talk about Hillary already winning is just an intimidation factor, don't let it get to you. This is fed to us all compliments of the Clinton machine, where they have spokespeople all over the media and in big business.

Manipulation, smoke and mirrors, fibs on top of lies layered upon exaggerations, all that and more is a desperate attempt to eliminate or intimidate the competition. As it's so early in the game, the steam won't be able to keep up. I hear more people change their minds about Hillary into the Not Sure category from the ReadyFor category whenever Hillary makes headlines with one of her not so savvy quotes.

The Clintons will discover that it was way too early for them to start campaigning under the guise of the book tour - premature electionation will do them in as the errors in judgement when Hillary speaks keep piling up in that long duration of time to the election.

They will not be able to hold up - Hillary started speaking out on many issues around the book opening, and then suddenly goes silent on current events, like Ferguson, and then takes a bland, noncommittal stance that a focus group suggests is best, as to not alienate anyone. This is not leadership material and people are getting it.

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Original post)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 03:19 PM

37. love the wabbit

knr

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #37)

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 03:45 PM

40. Thanks! A combination of inspiration, existing artwork, and a little bit o' Photoshopping

I've enclosed a copy in a Business Reply Mail envelope I recently received from President-Elect Clinton's superPAC.
I encourage others to follow suit by doing a "Save Image As."

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #40)

Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:18 PM

46. I'd love to get a gif of that wabbit.

Good work!

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #46)

Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:28 PM

47. Thanks! Just right-click (or Option-click) and it's yours!

Enjoy!


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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #47)

Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:01 PM

48. thanks



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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:14 PM

49. Our pleasure!

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