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Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:58 PM

Obama is causing a Republican civil war!!

I laughed my ass off when I read this..

Syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer said President Barack Obama has successfully broken the will of Republicans in the House and has created an “internal civil war” amidst “fiscal cliff” negotiations.

“He’s been using this, and I must say with great skill — and ruthless skill and success — to fracture and basically shatter the Republican opposition,” Krauthammer said. “His objective from the very beginning was to break the will of the Republicans in the House, and to create an internal civil war. And he’s done that.”



Well I guess Obama has gone from being just a foreign born Marxist to a generator of a Republican civil war!

Now I dont think Charles the Hammer meant it to be a complement..nor did he mean it to be funny,,,but I think its both!!



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/krauthammer-obama-has-succeeded-in-creating-internal-civil-war-within-the-gop/

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Reply Obama is causing a Republican civil war!! (Original post)
Vietnameravet Dec 2012 OP
Marie Marie Dec 2012 #1
elleng Dec 2012 #3
elleng Dec 2012 #2
Brother Buzz Dec 2012 #4
ReRe Dec 2012 #20
Brother Buzz Dec 2012 #36
Tx4obama Dec 2012 #5
jonthebru Dec 2012 #10
annabanana Dec 2012 #49
Cary Dec 2012 #6
freshwest Dec 2012 #21
sheshe2 Dec 2012 #30
mindwalker_i Dec 2012 #7
Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2012 #32
TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #8
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #9
whokeithmoonb89t Dec 2012 #11
alp227 Dec 2012 #14
malibea Dec 2012 #17
Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2012 #52
sellitman Dec 2012 #12
goclark Dec 2012 #16
freshwest Dec 2012 #23
sheshe2 Dec 2012 #31
ywcachieve Dec 2012 #51
goclark Dec 2012 #53
samsingh Dec 2012 #13
freshwest Dec 2012 #24
bhikkhu Dec 2012 #15
SunSeeker Dec 2012 #18
ReRe Dec 2012 #22
Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2012 #33
Hekate Dec 2012 #34
SunSeeker Dec 2012 #43
Hekate Dec 2012 #44
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #46
polynomial Dec 2012 #47
Hekate Dec 2012 #48
YayArea Dec 2012 #19
freshwest Dec 2012 #25
progressoid Dec 2012 #38
ReRe Dec 2012 #26
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2012 #27
underthematrix Dec 2012 #28
Scootaloo Dec 2012 #29
Hekate Dec 2012 #35
ck4829 Dec 2012 #37
graham4anything Dec 2012 #39
world wide wally Dec 2012 #40
loyalkydem Dec 2012 #41
union_maid Dec 2012 #42
Amonester Dec 2012 #54
DFW Dec 2012 #45
healthnut7 Dec 2012 #50
Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2012 #56
SouthernDonkey Dec 2012 #55
Third Doctor Dec 2012 #57
Sunlei Dec 2012 #58

Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:04 AM

1. LOL. Agreed, the Hammer did kill 2 birds with 1 stone didn't he?

I feel their pain but suddenly for some reason, there is not an ounce of empathy attached. Their Pain = Our Gain.

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Response to Marie Marie (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:05 AM

3. Yes, those jerks, Their Pain = Our Gain.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:04 AM

2. Saw that.

'Ruthless!'

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:10 AM

4. What a revolting development this is!

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:07 AM

20. Car 54...

...where are you?

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Response to ReRe (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 03:37 AM

36. Gunther Toody was played by Joe E. Ross -

William Bendix played Chester A. Riley in Life of Riley

Both were similar dimwitted rolls, only Chester was a whole lot more naive.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:10 AM

5. A link to article over at Mediaite.com with video (video) for folks that don't wanna click on Blaze

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:59 AM

10. thanks, i don't click on the blaze and several other sites.

krauthammer doesn't look well, he is quite sick. hannity unfortunately looks well, though mental.

krauthammer makes his points based on fear and misinformation. he has been doing that for years.

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Response to jonthebru (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:21 PM

49. Krauthammer has NEVER looked well.

He always looks as if he had just smelled a bad smell. There seems to be an invisible clothespin permanently attached to his nose.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:17 AM

6. Gee, Krauthammer doesn't seem to know that President Obama

campaigned on this very issue and won, and also that the public is behind him.

I wonder how Krauthammer managed to miss those details?

House Republicans are doing this to themselves. I don't feel sorry for them. This is what you get when you are too extreme and too arrogant.

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Response to Cary (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:13 AM

21. You got it!

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Response to Cary (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:48 AM

30. +1

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:20 AM

7. First, Republicans caused their own civil war

With pledges to never raise taxes even TO SAVE THE NATION and other whackery, Obama doesn't need to do much.

Second, they need a civil war since there so full of BS mountain.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:55 AM

32. Remember that Reagan invoked "The 11th Commandment"....

He knew that this is what happens when egomaniacal assholes turn on one another.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:24 AM

8. Well, if the President is a STUPID person... What does that make the Republicans? nt

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:36 AM

9. I don't like all the gratuitous concessions Obama is tossing around, but

I do see where he is trying to drive three stakes into the heart of the beast:

1) Taking down Grover Norquist. He successfully forced Norquist into the position of endorsing "plan B", which was obviously a tax increase. Because of this, Republicans will never be able to take their pledges as serious in the future.

2) Breaking the back of "the Hastert rule" which is the mechanism by which the teabaggers have locked up the House. The "Hastert Rule" says that the speaker won't bring up any bills that don't have the support of the majority of GOP Representatives. That isn't a formal rule. Boehner has just been too cowardly to ignore it. The 80-or-so teabaggers combine with another ~40 GOP reps that are afraid of being "priimaried" to block everything -- even bills that would pass with substantial Democratic support. Obama hasn't broken the back of that thing yet, but it is coming. It appears there is no deal that Obama will sign that the teabaggers can agree to, which means that Boehner will eventually have to break the Hastert Rule and let the Dems help him push it through. That is why Boehner can't do anything until after January 3 or else he would be ousted from his Speakership.

3) Hostage taking re: the debt ceiling. Nothing firm here yet. Obama made it clear he wanted to authorize the debt ceiling for the next 4 years and his offer last week was 2 years. The teabaggers see that as their only real leverage so they don't want to give it up. That is why Geithner is now saying that, golly, we hit the debt ceiling at the exact same time as "the cliff". This is ramping up pressure on the teabaggers. The only way that tactic is effective is if Obama is willing to actually start shutting down parts of the government. He'd better have the balls for that because otherwise it will be a huge blunder to have brought it up and then back down.

Considering Obama has a very strong hand for this round -- and probably will not have such a strong hand any time in the next 4 years, I would rather see him take on a much more direct fight, and not appear so eager to back down on going over "the cliff" or letting the GOP try their hand st shutting down the government. But we'll see how well his way works

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:17 AM

11. sweet

 

the more disarray the better

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Response to whokeithmoonb89t (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:28 AM

14. welcome to DU!!!!

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Response to whokeithmoonb89t (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:41 AM

17. I'm with you. Welcome!

I agree with you 100%. Welcome to DU!

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Response to whokeithmoonb89t (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:06 PM

52. Very sweet!

Welcome!

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:21 AM

12. Politics is very much a game of chess

Our President obviously can see moves ahead of his adversary. That is how you win. Putting those bastards in constant check will change the game they think they know how to play.

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Response to sellitman (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:35 AM

16. I agree with you


I'm sure that many won't agree with me but I think
the President was doing the Ali Shuffle with Rmoney on the 1st debate.

He let Rmoney think he was hitting his remarks out of the ballpark. Most of America did too. Most of the Media people were unhinged.

Rmoney thought he was on top -- next debates ---bingo!

We'll see what happens but my money is on OBAMA.






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Response to goclark (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:15 AM

23. +1,000

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Response to goclark (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:50 AM

31. Please Proceed Mr.President!!!

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Response to goclark (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:03 PM

51. President Obama checkmated Romney at the second debate....

Last edited Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:58 PM - Edit history (1)

and the third debate was the coup de grace.

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Response to ywcachieve (Reply #51)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:48 PM

53. You are so right!


How sweet it was to witness on my television!

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:21 AM

13. Obama is brilliant

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Response to samsingh (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:16 AM

24. Agreed.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:35 AM

15. Well, I'm pretty sure his objective was to get some sane legislation passed

which, unfortunately, is just the sort of thing that causes republicans to melt down and flee for the bunkers.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:54 AM

18. Why does Krauthammer gasp for breath like he should be in an iron lung?

Seriously, what is wrong with him?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:14 AM

22. Maybe he's susffering from...

... "Consumption," (since allot of people died of Consumption (TB) during the Civil War.)
Bad joke, I know.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:59 AM

33. Nothing,...he is hoping their mutual hate for Obama will rally them together.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:59 AM

34. He's paralyzed from a diving accident during first year med school

The articles I checked didn't indicate more than that he is confined to a wheelchair, something I seem to have read before, but it explains his slump that you see on camera. If his spine was broken high up it could affect his breathing; again they don't say if he's para- or quadraplegic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Krauthammer
Krauthammer was born on March 13, 1950, in New York City and raised in Montreal, Quebec, where he attended McGill University and obtained an honors degree in political science and economics in 1970. The following year, he was a Commonwealth Scholar in politics at Balliol College, Oxford, before returning to the United States and entering Harvard Medical School. During Krauthammer's first year of medical school, he was paralyzed in a diving accident and was hospitalized for a year and two months. However, he continued his medical studies and was able to graduate with his class, earning his Doctor of Medicine in 1975.

It's quite an interesting read; the man is extremely bright and accomplished, whatever we may think of his politics.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:05 PM

43. Wow. How can someone who has gone through so much suffering...

...have so little empathy?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:29 PM

44. Some people are like that

He probably had a foundation of rugged individualism (nothing wrong with that) and then overcoming his many challenges with grit, determination, and high intelligence (nothing wrong wit those either) left him with the impression that if he could do it, anyone could. I'm speculating wildly here, of course. I have not studied the man. All I know for sure is that similar experiences will lead different people to vastly different conclusions sometimes. You just never know.

Afterthought: given the length of time he was hospitalized (over a year) and the reason for his paralysis (diving) leads me to think he may be quadraplegic. He may use a vent at night and consciously taking every breath when he's awake. That would explain his labored speech. (I had a friend who was a long term survivor of muscular dystrophy, and by the time I knew her that was how she functioned.)

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:39 PM

46. It's worse than that

He made a fortune in lawsuits over the diving accident, and of course now rails against personal injury attorneys and lawsuits. A garden variety GOP hypocrite

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Response to Hekate (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:20 PM

47. Wow Charles Krauthammer has a Doctorate

That’s interesting, though it is a 1975 degree. From my view Doctorate degrees, or for that matter a master or undergraduate degree perhaps have an expiration date like a fresh loaf of bread. Lol.

Moreover it would be interesting to read his doctorate dissertation and to know who his adviser or panel of advisors were. Or is Harvard still loaded with some wacko’s. lol.

Whether Krauthammer is intelligent or not that smart vector is pointed in the wrong direction. Even before I knew Krauthammer had a degree in medicine it was obvious by casual conversation in the Fox News Panel that he was sharpening an axe. At first I did not know he was in a wheel chair. Sort of giving that across the bow as a Franklin Roosevelt model “in over the mahogany” conference style debater.

Yes, he is psychopathic; likely a liberal caused his accident. So, here he is getting retribution being paid to get his revenge, or he needs some physic therapy because he does realize Obama care is the best thing for him! That would be a hoot to see his medical bills if they paid by Romney care which is Obama care. Is it not insane where Krauthammer appears to be a circular hate conversation?

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Response to polynomial (Reply #47)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:57 PM

48. Poly -- medical doctors don't write dissertations, afaik. PhD candidates write dissertations...

MD candidates take rigorous examinations including licensing exams.

Disagree with him all you want, but your snark is all over the place and it makes it rather pointless.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:59 AM

19. Correction: The Republicans are causing the Republican Civil War

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Response to YayArea (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:18 AM

25. Yep! Will they duel it out on the House floor? Might be worth watching CSPAN.

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Response to YayArea (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:08 AM

38. Yep.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:23 AM

26. Personally....

K&R

...I don't put much account in anything old Chuck says. Also, Obama has caused some civil wars around these parts too. No? Sad but true. We'll all understand everything in the by and by, very soon. Then I hope we can all kiss and make up.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:27 AM

27. Darn that Obama

Anything that pisses Kraphammer off is okay by me.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:35 AM

28. He he - game theory. I love PBO

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:39 AM

29. Anything that gets Chuckie's goat gets my seal of approval

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 03:04 AM

35. Ruthless skill -- fracture and shatter the (GOP) -- object was to break the will of the (GOP)

roflmao

“He’s been using this, and I must say with great skill–-and ruthless skill and success–to fracture and basically shatter the Republican opposition… His objective from the very beginning was to break the will of the Republicans in the House, and to create an internal civil war. And he’s done that.”

Krauthammer is full of it, but all of this coming from him counts as quite a compliment to Chessmaster Obama.

Told you so!

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:00 AM

37. How absolutely horrible...

That it's not down to the ideological level yet, I think we will all be very entertained when it's Christian Right Fundamentalists vs Corporatists vs Ayn Rand Nuts vs Libertarians vs Racists vs the Tea Party vs Plutocrats vs other miscellaneous right wing nuts.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:16 AM

39. Obama roped the dopes again...and again...and again...

 

Obama is the Greatest at political 9 steps ahead.
the Bush's used to play 4 steps ahead
Bill Clinton 3 steps ahead

and Hillary45 will need to play it 1 step ahead of how ever many steps Jeb plays it in 2016

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:44 AM

40. Obama is doing a great job, but you have to give the Republicans a lot of the credit. Bullshit can

only endure for so long before they drown themselves in it.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:18 AM

41. The only people in the Republican party I have

sympathy for are the moderates who voted for President Obama. I don't have sympathy for anyone else.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:57 AM

42. Both sides have mandates?

Now this is just silly.
Krauthammer said both sides have mandates of their own, and whether or not Obama likes it, he’s going to need to cave if he wants to avoid going off the cliff, or at least stem its most economically damaging consequences.

Democrats have a mandate. Republicans have a gerrymandered majority in the House with a minority of the votes. They do have their marching orders and their crazy philosphy. I guess that's what he means by mandate. I'm not saying that they're going to cave. I really don't have a clue what's going to happen, but no way to House Republicans have any sort of mandate from real, actual voters.

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Response to union_maid (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:06 AM

54. The teaRoarists in the house have their mandate from the Ritchie Rich class.

The class that made a fortune off the great recession...

Like they can't wait 'til the next ones....

Faux snooz hacks bought and paid for... over 'n over.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:38 PM

45. Krauthammer has a vast array of explanations for things that go wrong (in his mind)

It is January, 2009. General Motors is in dire trouble. So are the Banks.
It's Obama's fault.
The new administration gets a rescue package in the form of a stimulus passed. The deficit goes up temporarily.
It's Obama's fault.
The stimulus/rescue works. GM is saved. The banks and AIG, too.
It's Obama's fault.
Bin Laden is still on the loose.
It's Obama's fault.
Bin Laden is caught and put out of circulation permanently.
It's Obama's fault.
Our former nemesis Qadaffi is still in power.
It's Obama's fault.
Qaddafi is removed from power.
It's Obama's fault.
Congressional Republicans block virtually every initiative and appointment proposed by Obama
It's Obama's fault
Republicans fall apart over how to best thwart Obama in his new term.
It's Obama's fault.

One might be forgiven for wondering if Krauthammer is not a computer program with the same answer for everything.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:51 PM

50. Wonder if

he has a tracheotomy. Ones that do, breathe that way. Usually it is visible but maybe they can now be made hidden under the shirt.
That is very common from being paralized. His shirt collar does seem high up so my guess would be that he does have one.

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Response to healthnut7 (Reply #50)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:20 AM

56. Que?

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:49 AM

55. From what I find he is paralyzed from the neck down

Which would be quite common with a diving related injury. He talks pretty well to have a tracheotomy. They usually interfere a lot more with your voice. Depending on the height of his cervical injury, his breathing is affected differently. He obviously has some issues with his diaphragm muscles which, as someone above posted, he can conciously control when he huffs in a breath. He might not need assistance breathing at night, thus really no need for a trach, at his level of injury. But controlling his breathing to speak clearly requres more laborous breathing techniques, if that makes sense. That is also quite common with a high cervical injury. I worked as an attendant for a couple of years in a spinal cord rehab unit in Memphis while training as a surgical technologist early in my career progression. That's been 26 years ago though and alot has changed in medicine.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:14 PM

57. That's great!

I hope they dissolve completely. I doubt but I can always fantasise.

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Response to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:59 PM

58. the blaze is another world of the whacko republicans..ya, ya Obama blamed for everythingggg

go climb a tree you blazing nuts.

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