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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:11 AM Sep 2016

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wasn't She down in yesterdays poll? leebaba1992 Sep 2016 #1
First of all the national polls are worthless, and the media knows it. The national polls DO NOT still_one Sep 2016 #29
Twelve? Where do you see 12? I don't see it. apcalc Sep 2016 #2
First link leftynyc Sep 2016 #4
it's an artifact of the filters selected. Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #12
If you clear all filters you see the 12% and over 12000 respondents. nt s-cubed Sep 2016 #25
sample size of only 263 though leebaba1992 Sep 2016 #3
wow... why the fuck would these guys even pay for a poll like that!!?? uponit7771 Sep 2016 #6
That's got to be a glitch Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #7
And when T-rump is tightening in this poll it's a well know fact Iliyah Sep 2016 #8
No that is because some of the filters were turned on. There were 12,714 Respondents. nt Fla Dem Sep 2016 #20
The election has not happened, we can not sit back and think the polls are going to Thinkingabout Sep 2016 #5
"if Hillary's supporters thinks this poll or any other poll is electing Hillary, it is not how...." JTFrog Sep 2016 #10
The variable time frame is set from August 1 to September 6 Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #9
You can view the samples as a function of date Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #11
I am a bit confused... I never linked on a filter. Now I realize it was a filtered sample. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2016 #30
That's odd democrattotheend Sep 2016 #13
play with the date selectors Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #15
Reeuters is Ipsos and it's A - rated DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2016 #26
National polls really distort the reality. The national poll sampling does not adequately factor in still_one Sep 2016 #31
But national polls are better for measuring trends quickly democrattotheend Sep 2016 #36
K&R mcar Sep 2016 #14
When you play around with the filters BumRushDaShow Sep 2016 #16
It showed as a 100% lead for me FBaggins Sep 2016 #17
Was that a burn? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2016 #27
I guess that depends on whether you're buying or selling the bill of goods FBaggins Sep 2016 #34
When I go to your fivethirtyeight link and search for "Reuters" I get no hits. ????? LAS14 Sep 2016 #18
that makes me breathe. barbtries Sep 2016 #19
Maybe he should quit insulting people of all creeds and backgrounds? ffr Sep 2016 #21
I wonder ,,,,,,, Cryptoad Sep 2016 #22
What was sickening about MSNBC ... piechartking Sep 2016 #28
Just breathe. Buzz Clik Sep 2016 #23
Thanks for posting Gman Sep 2016 #24
hoping it's right, martin mike Sep 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Sep 2016 #33
Respondents are not representative angrychair Sep 2016 #35
 

leebaba1992

(53 posts)
1. wasn't She down in yesterdays poll?
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:13 AM
Sep 2016

I'm addicted to polls and the CNN one is making me get NO work done today

still_one

(92,217 posts)
29. First of all the national polls are worthless, and the media knows it. The national polls DO NOT
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:29 PM
Sep 2016

factor in the electoral college, or accurately weight the larger states correctly

The polls to watch are the individual state polls. Specifically the swing state polls, Ohio, Florida, etc.

Those who are voting for Trump are racists. There is no two ways about it. The media has been trying to ignore that reality, but it is what it is.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
2. Twelve? Where do you see 12? I don't see it.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:15 AM
Sep 2016
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
4. First link
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:19 AM
Sep 2016

BIG numbers - Hillary 49 vs don the con 37. It's right there.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
12. it's an artifact of the filters selected.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:42 AM
Sep 2016

s-cubed

(1,385 posts)
25. If you clear all filters you see the 12% and over 12000 respondents. nt
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:14 PM
Sep 2016
 

leebaba1992

(53 posts)
3. sample size of only 263 though
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:19 AM
Sep 2016

not very much

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
6. wow... why the fuck would these guys even pay for a poll like that!!??
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:20 AM
Sep 2016

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
7. That's got to be a glitch
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:30 AM
Sep 2016

Every other poll release from that tracker has > 1000 respondents.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
8. And when T-rump is tightening in this poll it's a well know fact
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:32 AM
Sep 2016

that it is touted. Negative polling for HRC creates the narrative for corporate media. Most of the touted polls show one thing, they give "White" voters the advantage over the total average and even give them the advantage of lessening the % of other groups polled. That in itself I find misleading.

Fla Dem

(23,690 posts)
20. No that is because some of the filters were turned on. There were 12,714 Respondents. nt
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:35 AM
Sep 2016

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. The election has not happened, we can not sit back and think the polls are going to
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:20 AM
Sep 2016

elect Hillary, it is GOTV, if Hillary's supporters thinks this poll or any other poll is electing Hillary, it is not how it works. I heard the CNN this morning and even Hillary says there needs to be a good reason for us to go and vote.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
10. "if Hillary's supporters thinks this poll or any other poll is electing Hillary, it is not how...."
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:38 AM
Sep 2016

"if Hillary's supporters thinks this poll or any other poll is electing Hillary, it is not how it works."

A) No one suggested sitting back and thinking the polls are going to elect Hillary.

B) We are all supposed to be Hillary supporters here.

"and even Hillary says there needs to be a good reason for us to go and vote". There are a million good reasons for us to go and vote wouldn't you say?

Your post seems very out of place here.




Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
9. The variable time frame is set from August 1 to September 6
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:35 AM
Sep 2016

Something screwy here.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
11. You can view the samples as a function of date
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:42 AM
Sep 2016

Here is a better time frame for now.

http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TM651Y15_DS_13/filters/LIKELY:1/dates/20160826-20160906/type/day


This is actually a really useful tool. It looks like there was a big Trump sample in the last two weeks that is working itself out of the system. Very interested in using this to predict swings in other pools.

As I mentioned over the weekend, it looks like the 3 week Trump cycles are a real thing.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
30. I am a bit confused... I never linked on a filter. Now I realize it was a filtered sample.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:29 PM
Sep 2016

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
13. That's odd
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:47 AM
Sep 2016

Other polls have shown the opposite trend. I don't see Reuters on the pollster rating.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
15. play with the date selectors
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:05 AM
Sep 2016

it will make sense.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
26. Reeuters is Ipsos and it's A - rated
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:17 PM
Sep 2016

still_one

(92,217 posts)
31. National polls really distort the reality. The national poll sampling does not adequately factor in
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:33 PM
Sep 2016

the electoral college and other factors.

It is the state polls that are relevant, especially the swing states


democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
36. But national polls are better for measuring trends quickly
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 02:43 PM
Sep 2016

State polls are conducted less frequently and often over a longer number of days. So they often lag behind national polls in reflecting recent movement.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
14. K&R
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:57 AM
Sep 2016

BumRushDaShow

(129,082 posts)
16. When you play around with the filters
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:07 AM
Sep 2016

I found that there was a 36% difference between Clinton and Trump by "lean liberal" likely voters (in favor of Clinton) vs only a 13% difference between the two (in favor of Trump) when looking at "lean conservative" likely voters (both as of Aug 28th).

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
17. It showed as a 100% lead for me
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:21 AM
Sep 2016

Of course... I had to narrow it down to myself and my five closest friends... but that's still worthy of an all-caps header, right?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
27. Was that a burn?
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:22 PM
Sep 2016

Thanks for kicking my thread though.





SMFH

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
34. I guess that depends on whether you're buying or selling the bill of goods
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 01:13 PM
Sep 2016

Your #30 implies that it was "buying" - so nope.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
18. When I go to your fivethirtyeight link and search for "Reuters" I get no hits. ?????
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:24 AM
Sep 2016

barbtries

(28,798 posts)
19. that makes me breathe.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:25 AM
Sep 2016

seems like only yesterday i saw a headline claiming the gap had closed to 2 points.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
21. Maybe he should quit insulting people of all creeds and backgrounds?
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:43 AM
Sep 2016

Let's be honest. He's trying to lose and yet 37% will still vote for him? What if we replaced him with a turd? Wouldn't matter would it. So long as it had an R by its name, the alt-right would vote for it.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
22. I wonder ,,,,,,,
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:08 PM
Sep 2016

if Joe and Mika will mention this poll in the morning,,,,,, they were all over the CNN poll with Trump ,saying Trump had a 6 pt lead while in fact the poll had Trump with 2 pt lead among likely voters,,,,, Clinton had 2pt lead among registered voters.....this poll carry a bunch of weight in scheme of thangs,,,,,,, do a little happy dance.

piechartking

(617 posts)
28. What was sickening about MSNBC ...
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:22 PM
Sep 2016

...is they'd rather talk about the CNN poll over their OWN poll, the NBC poll. How does that happen?

"Yeah we did a poll but it's SO BORING ( Clinton lead is the same) ...HEY! Screw our own poll lets get distracted with our competition's poll..."

What is that?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
23. Just breathe.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:09 PM
Sep 2016

Borrow a paper sack from friend.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
24. Thanks for posting
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:09 PM
Sep 2016

And it is exciting as well as relieving of anxiety that she has a firm lead. I just want to say not to get discouraged by comments here debunking your link. It's that everyone is being extremely cautious while remaining optimistic.

 

martin mike

(82 posts)
32. hoping it's right,
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:38 PM
Sep 2016

but suspecting an outlier.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

angrychair

(8,700 posts)
35. Respondents are not representative
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 01:17 PM
Sep 2016

There are no Hispanic and only 6% are Black based on turning different filters on and off. This poll is trash and heavily weighted in tRump's favor.

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