2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Subtle Difference between Just Voting for and Supporting Hillary Clinton
I've heard and read some Democrats saying things like, "I'll hold my nose and vote" or "I'll grudgingly vote" for Hillary in November. That's nice, I guess, and every vote matters, but that's not actually supporting the Democratic candidate. In fact, that lukewarm acceptance of Clinton as the better candidate can work to suppress the vote, and that affects more than just the presidential race.
Even in states where a Clinton victory is certain, we need as many Democratic voters to show up at the polls and vote all the way down the ticket for Democrats. Even in blue states, there are legislative districts where a Democratic win isn't assured. If a lukewarm response is heard by some occasional or wavering voters, that could tend to help some indecisive people make a decision to sit out the election in November.
It's incredibly easy to discourage some people from voting. But, that's a very bad idea. We need voters who will vote for Democrats in every state, even in Red states. Just as there are legislative races in blue states that can go red, there are legislative races in red states that have the potential to go blue, if enough people turn out.
So, even if you're not personally enthusiastic about Hillary as President, you can say something like "Hillary is so much better than Donald Trump that I can't imagine not voting for her." You can say, "I'm voting for Hillary. The alternative is unthinkable." Those are positive statement, not discouraging statements. They actually support the Democratic presidential candidate, rather than damning her with faint praise.
I encourage those who are less than excited by a Clinton presidency to choose a positive way to express their opinions when asked about their voting plans in casual situations. You needn't be full of praise, but can point out an important reason to vote for a Democrat, rather than an orange-haired clown. If you're positive, you're supportive. If you're openly begrudging your vote, you're not being positive or supportive.
Is the difference subtle? Yes, of course it is. But some people make decisions about whether to vote or not based on small things. What you say or write could affect someone else's decision about voting. It's possible to be supportive without being enthusiastic, if you're not feeling like glowingly praising our candidate. We need voter support, all the way down the ballot, and that only comes if people who will vote for Democrats actually turn out to vote.
That's my opinion on this Sunday morning. Thanks for reading it.
snpsmom
(678 posts)She has my vote. Of course Trump is unthinkable. But you don't get to police my speech or actions.
edited because I can't seem to spell this morning.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)what I thought.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)I have no power to compel anyone to do anything. I do have the ability to suggest things and encourage people to do things, though, and a forum on which I can make those suggestions and voice that encouragement.
You're perfectly free to ignore any suggestion I may make.
So, no, I won't stop. Sorry.
I chose the wrong word. Let me rephrase: your suggestions have no sway because they sound more like chiding and because you have no authority over my actions or speech.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)who want to make sure that Trump isn't elected President, and that as many Democrats get elected to Congress as possible.
snpsmom
(678 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)snpsmom
(678 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)quit reading. It's as easy as that.
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cali
(114,904 posts)I've committed to vote for her and I'll be phone banking for her.
I rarely express my doubts about her here, (alert, alert, alert!) but in real life? That's my business. I certainly don't need advice from you.
I hope she wins and I hope that as president she earns my trust on issues where she doesn't have them.
Not good enough for you? Good and uff da!
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)And your phone-banking is definitely support. So, I'm not actually referring to you in this post.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and I see it throughout on the internet. But I wonder, is it actually that prevalent ... or does it just appear that way to me (because it annoys me, and therefore I notice and remember it)?
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)I've heard similar begrudging comments in person where I live, too. I don't think it's a rare thing at all, and I worry that it will affect down-ticket races, even in my own state of Minnesota, where we have a good opportunity to flip one, or even two, congressional seats. Turnout will make all the difference in those two districts.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)It's like "settling" on a spouse.
All your friends, relatives and acquaintances might seriously question your sanity if you repeatedly said, "I'm marrying this one, but my heart belongs to that one."
When you're courting someone, don't you wait until after the nuptials to point out their imperfections and shortcomings? If you don't, I bet you won't see that wedding!
In this case - can't you wait until November 9th?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)The primary is over
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)This is not about the primaries. They're long over. This is about turnout in the general election, which matters more than some might think. Congress and state legislatures are on the line in November. In many ways, they're even more important than the presidency, although both are very important.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)You unfortunately once again just denigrate others that are not as enthusiastic as you are. It is a common thing you have been doing for months as you denigrated the Bernie supporters in prior months. What you post is actually very transparent.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)SixString
(1,057 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Personally, I do try to support her more actively and try to argue against lesser evil opinions and holding nose, etc.
rickford66
(5,523 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)I'm not sure what you're talking about, really.
rickford66
(5,523 posts)All I mentioned was Hillary's connections to Wall St which was publicly being discussed. So ....
LESSER OF TWO EVILS ! Thanks for the return of democracy and the First Amendment.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)I have nothing to do with the administration of this website.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)From the Hillary group. I posted some constructive criticism of how I could not vote for her in 2008 unless she changed.
it's no longer good enough to agree to vote for Clinton, now I have to appear enthusiastic about it?
Sometimes you have to accept that good enough has to do.
I had to come to that realization myself not long ago.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Just do everything you can to get Democratic candidates into office all the way through the ticket.
Neither of those statements are enthusiastic support of Hillary Clinton - they are just not negative about the person at the top of the Democratic slate of candidates.
If we want the next Democratic president to be more successful than Barack Obama we HAVE to put more Democrats than Republicans in Congress. The only way we're going to do that is to get more people to vote Democratic.
Frankly I don't care who threw their support which way in the primaries. Volunteer to get out the vote. Encourage everyone you know to vote. Talk down our Republican opponents even if you do not feel you can talk up our Democratic candidates.
HDSam
(251 posts)that's why I said 'appear' enthusiastic. I view both of the bolded statements as appearing enthusiastic for Clinton, but of course your opinion is different than mine. Anyway, please accept my thanks for taking the time to try and explain it to me, I'm not too smart in the head sometimes.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)you need to understand the power of your words on wavering voters. Even though you are committed in your own mind to voting, if you express your misgivings too baldly or openly, you could inadvertently deter others from voting.
Rex
(65,616 posts)judesedit
(4,438 posts)Wake up people. Hillary is not perfect but she's a hell of lot better than any of the repub candidates that ran. I really wish she could share the Presidency with Bernie, but that won't happen. I hope she gives Bernie a very powerful position, while holding his seat. Get voting for democrats all the way down the ticket if you care about your voting rights, social security, unemployment, overtime, child labor laws, sick time, family leave time, vacation time, the environment, medicare, improving on the affordable care act, and help for the less fortunate. There's a lot more the repubs will try to take from you than listed here and it starts at the bottom. Go Hillary! Thanks for your intelligence, empathy, strength, and perseverance.
KPN
(15,643 posts)personal preferred perspective in a collaborative venture. Geesh!
Larkspur
(12,804 posts)a vote is a vote. Be grateful that she's getting the votes.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Reread it and you'll see. It's about Democratic voter turnout. Frankly, that's what my posts are almost always about. I believe that down-ballot races are even more important than the presidential race. To win those, we need a large turnout. That's what I'm writing about in this OP. Maybe you missed that part.
Larkspur
(12,804 posts)If candidates have a poorly organized campaign or can't raise the funds, then they are not good sales people. Campaigns are like small business start ups. Voters are the customer base and if candidates can't appeal to them, then just like a small business that can't attract customers, the candidate will "go out of business" or lose.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)is about, I have edited the OP to emphasize certain phrases in it. Have another look. If it still doesn't seem clear what I'm talking about, you can visit another OP I just posted here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512377271
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)spot and vote for congress, national and state, and local issues. Too many people think you have to fill in every spot, or that if they don't want to vote for president they just won't vote at all.
It's not like a test where you get penalized for leaving things blank. Find 1 thing to vote for, perhaps city council, or school bond, or state congress.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)have gone to other Democratic causes that either support Dems that I believe can be agents of change (Maxed contribution to Canova's campaign and another 20k to a superPac supporting him) or Democratic issue groups.
Hillary only gets my vote this year, if she wants more in 2020, then it will be based on what she does in the four years between now and then.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)when advising us what tone to express our thoughts in. Thanks in advance!
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)Brave poster!
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)How we approach others does make a difference.. how things are said..