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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 10:01 AM Aug 2016

Huffington Post's "JUST SHUT IT DOWN" Homepage Headline.

All of the options are there regarding the Clinton Foundation and a Clinton Presidency.

That includes Bill and / or Hillary stepping down if she is elected.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

The NYT article they link to is here: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/politics/hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign-charity.html

So the question is "What involvement should Bill and / or Hillary have with the Clinton Foundation if she becomes President?"

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Huffington Post's "JUST SHUT IT DOWN" Homepage Headline. (Original Post) Miles Archer Aug 2016 OP
To avoid conflict of interest it seems like it was choice bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #1
The Clinton Foundation has a huge medical component around the globe. Just shuting riversedge Aug 2016 #3
I should have been more clear, I meant stepping down and letting someone else run bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #5
Hillary can't step down. She's not on the Board or otherwise employed there. pnwmom Aug 2016 #15
I should have been more clear, I meant Bill stepping down bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Aug 2016 #27
Easily answered. Thanks for asking bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Aug 2016 #33
+1000. It's a CHARITY, Bluedye. If you have a Hortensis Aug 2016 #36
What a wonderfully pleasant tone bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #37
easy for them to say dsc Aug 2016 #2
Arianna Huffington cares deeply for the poors. They are so decorative bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #7
Huff post has never been Hillary friendly imo. apcalc Aug 2016 #13
Meanwhile Trump's charity gets no scrutiny at all MattP Aug 2016 #4
Amen jehop61 Aug 2016 #6
Because he just says he donates and there are no real donations .... Coyotl Aug 2016 #30
Anything with Trump $s or $s for any other candidate Skidmore Aug 2016 #32
Or his businesses with thousands of lawsuits, violations and federal penalties csziggy Aug 2016 #38
Chelsea is supposed to be stepping into a more active role in management.... Historic NY Aug 2016 #8
Hillary isn't on the Board. The article is wrong. pnwmom Aug 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Aug 2016 #34
They didn't shut down Halliburton... Wounded Bear Aug 2016 #9
Like when they shut down a gym without warning and you arrive to work out and the doors are closed? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2016 #10
NO! A HUGE FU to all these hypocritical "concerned" f-ers. bullimiami Aug 2016 #11
I like where you're coming from.... wiggs Aug 2016 #19
Typical Amy Chozick innuendo. Joe McCarthy would have loved this type of so-called still_one Aug 2016 #12
Hillary is not on the Board. So if that's an option, the article is deceptive. pnwmom Aug 2016 #14
Why hasn't Huff Post been advocating for Justice Thomas's wife to step down from her political pnwmom Aug 2016 #18
as someone who recognizes the need for her to win and win big in November, it is time geek tragedy Aug 2016 #20
"It was a noble effort"? It is not only a noble effort, but also a very worthwhile still_one Aug 2016 #22
I would prefer they follow the Obama model, where the presumption is zero tolerance geek tragedy Aug 2016 #24
You guys at DU are missing the pivot here. UCmeNdc Aug 2016 #21
You are right. The Clinton Foundation has done amazing things, much more than still_one Aug 2016 #23
Damn Straight! Blue Idaho Aug 2016 #28
Didn't miss it at all, that's why I posted it. Miles Archer Aug 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Aug 2016 #35
Didn't President Carter transfer the peanut business KewlKat Aug 2016 #25
Ken Salazar will be available. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #26

riversedge

(70,253 posts)
3. The Clinton Foundation has a huge medical component around the globe. Just shuting
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 10:12 AM
Aug 2016

it down (within a few months) is unrealistic and dangerous to all who depend on medical care, drugs, health.

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
17. I should have been more clear, I meant Bill stepping down
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 11:06 AM
Aug 2016

And I don't even know if he's on the board to be honest

Response to bluedye33139 (Reply #17)

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
31. Easily answered. Thanks for asking
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:41 PM
Aug 2016

The first lady or first spouse, living in the White House, receiving hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars from parties involved in legislation and in judicial matters? And this in no way could lead to any kind of appearance of conflict of interest in your universe?

That's awesome. I disagree.

Response to bluedye33139 (Reply #31)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. +1000. It's a CHARITY, Bluedye. If you have a
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 08:22 PM
Aug 2016

problem with their names being associated with charitable works that save lives every single day, that educate children and their mothers in impoverished nations, that are reforesting whole regions, and on and on: get over it!

Services to humanity are not just honorable but noble work that should be a measure for all who wish to be our leaders.

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
37. What a wonderfully pleasant tone
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 08:23 PM
Aug 2016

I was very bothered by Dick Cheney and Halliburton. Why the f*** would you think otherwise?

I like the way you use three question marks when you were overwhelmed with rage. As to the stupid question you posed, yes I understand that the foundations are separate. They have separate names, which was my first clue. Knowing it already, I'm not going to change your mind when you repeat what I already know back to me. What an odd argumentation style, hey?

I don't understand why you have such emotional disturbances that you have to scream and shout and all caps. That seems juvenile.

I continue to think that it would be a good idea for the first spouse to not be touching large amounts of money coming from entities that are engaged in legislative or legal affairs in which Hillary Clinton will be concerned. You have lots of fascinating typography, but you have no actual argument for your position.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
2. easy for them to say
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 10:07 AM
Aug 2016

it would be them, or their friends who die due to it being shut down. It will just be poor Africans and Asians about whom they don't give a rats ass.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
30. Because he just says he donates and there are no real donations ....
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 12:47 PM
Aug 2016

but he takes a million in tax write-offs to zero out his taxes ..... by paying his kids to work for the charity

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
32. Anything with Trump $s or $s for any other candidate
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:45 PM
Aug 2016

received extremely little scrutiny compared to that given Hillary.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
38. Or his businesses with thousands of lawsuits, violations and federal penalties
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 08:28 PM
Aug 2016

Why isn't he being told to shut down every single business he is associated with or that has his name on it? Plus every single business that is associated with his children since they share the same name.

After all, the right wing claims that Trump is going to win the election. Shouldn't he start closing all his companies NOW?

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
8. Chelsea is supposed to be stepping into a more active role in management....
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 10:22 AM
Aug 2016

shutting it down makes ZERO sense. Bill & Hill will have to step away from active roles. Why is this any different from blind trusts etc, and other schemes to divest themselves.

Response to Historic NY (Reply #8)

Wounded Bear

(58,673 posts)
9. They didn't shut down Halliburton...
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 10:31 AM
Aug 2016

and it had far less socially redeeming value than the Clinton Foundation.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. Like when they shut down a gym without warning and you arrive to work out and the doors are closed?
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 10:31 AM
Aug 2016

How does that work with anti-HIV drugs?

bullimiami

(13,099 posts)
11. NO! A HUGE FU to all these hypocritical "concerned" f-ers.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 10:33 AM
Aug 2016

The Clinton Foundation does amazing work for masses of people.

SHUT IT DOWN? Where is their compassion, where is their humanity. All lost in corrupt political discourse.

SHUT DOWN THE GOOD WORK before it becomes apparent that the Clintons are charitable caring people.

FORCE THEM TO STOP TAKING DONATIONS that turn into this charitable humanity.


HEY MEDIA.
Turn your stupid microscopes on Trumps conflicts and corruption and the way he has misused his "Foundation".



DAMNIT someone start standing up for what is right and fair.

wiggs

(7,814 posts)
19. I like where you're coming from....
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 11:22 AM
Aug 2016

....including the caps / outrage.

"DAMNIT someone start standing up for what is right and fair. "

Dem leaders, dem pundits, and journalists have done a poor job so far in describing what the Clinton Foundation does and is about whenever it's mentioned in negative light. Don't know why. It should be a plus for the campaign but it's allowed to become an anchor...at least so far. I don't think it's a bad strategy to let everyone get bent out of shape about an issue like this then knock the complaints down with facts and marketing...as long as it's done before it hardens into common negative perception. I think it's time.

still_one

(92,266 posts)
12. Typical Amy Chozick innuendo. Joe McCarthy would have loved this type of so-called
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 10:49 AM
Aug 2016

journalist in his day.

If she can put a negative slant to a Hillary story, Chozick, will be one of the first in line to do it.

Like Andrea Mitchell, another so-called reporter who goes out of her want to slant everything with a negative light on Hillary, they both have used words in tweets to describe Hillary as "polarizing, calculating, disingenuous, insincere, ambitious, inevitable, entitled, etc."

Gee, funny how they never seem to describe the MEN in this race as shrill or angry, that only applies to Hillary




pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
18. Why hasn't Huff Post been advocating for Justice Thomas's wife to step down from her political
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 11:09 AM
Aug 2016

advocacy work?

Apparently she's allowed to have her own career, but not Bill Clinton.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/07/ginni-thomas-groundswell-conflict-interest

Conflict of interest issues were first aired during Clarence Thomas' confirmation hearings in 1991, when critics argued that Ginni Thomas' political work might compromise her husband's objectivity. At that time, her political resume included stints as a Capitol Hill aide to a Republican congressman; a staffer at the US Chamber of Commerce, where she fought the Family and Medical Leave Act; and as a political appointee at the Labor Department during the first Bush administration. Thomas didn't leave politics after her husband was confirmed. "I did not give up my First Amendment rights when my husband became a justice of the Supreme Court," she has said in the past. She would later return to the Hill as a staffer to House majority leader Rep. Dick Armey (R-Texas) and work for the Heritage Foundation, the conservative think tank. But in those jobs, Thomas kept a relatively low profile.

That changed around the same time that the tea party exploded in American politics, and Thomas became an outspoken member of the movement. In late 2009, Thomas founded the political advocacy group Liberty Central, which would later become a fierce player in the opposition to health care form. Detractors pointed out that Liberty Central was a potential vehicle for people with interests before the Supreme Court to make anonymous donations that might influence her husband.

The group was formed with a $500,000 anonymous donation that came as the Supreme Court was considering Citizens United, a case that ultimately resulted in loosening the restrictions on corporate giving to political campaigns. The anonymous donor was later revealed to be Harlan Crow, the Texas real estate developer. Crow was also a friend of Clarence Thomas', and he was later linked to a scandal involving the justice's failure to publicly disclose gifts from the developer and trips aboard his private jet. (It didn't help that Justice Thomas had also failed to include his wife's $150,000 annual salary from Liberty Central on his financial disclosure forms, which he later had to amend.) In January 2011, the good-government group Common Cause asked the Justice Department to investigate whether Justice Thomas should have recused himself from Citizens United based on his wife's role at Liberty Central. (Common Cause also asked the IRS to revoke Liberty Central's nonprofit status. Nothing came of either request.)

Thomas ultimately stepped down from Liberty Central, and the group merged with the Patrick Henry Center for Individual Liberty, a nonprofit started by former FBI agent Gary Aldrich (who's best known for writing a book claiming that Bill and Hillary Clinton hung sex toys on the White House Christmas tree while Clinton was president). But she continued to be deeply involved with the opposition to Obamacare. She formed Liberty Consulting, which focused on health care issues, and, while never registering as a lobbyist, she began visiting members of Congress as an "ambassador" from the tea party movement. Due to her outspoken anti-Obamacare advocacy, and the fact that she was earning a living in connection with it, liberal activists called on Justice Thomas to recuse himself from ruling on matters related to Obamacare. He declined to do so and later joined the minority in voting to overturn the health care law, as he was widely expected to do.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
20. as someone who recognizes the need for her to win and win big in November, it is time
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 11:28 AM
Aug 2016

for the entire Clinton family to cut ties to the foundation, completely and irrevocably. Take their names off it. Remove any chance of them ever managing or doing fundraisers for it.

Clean break.

It was a noble effort, but everything is of secondary importance compared to November.

still_one

(92,266 posts)
22. "It was a noble effort"? It is not only a noble effort, but also a very worthwhile
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 11:47 AM
Aug 2016

organization, that helps a lot of people.

While no doubt Hillary stalkers like Chozick, and the Hillary haters will continue to throw negative dispersions toward Hillary and the Clinton Foundation, regardless of what happens, she has already moved toward distancing herself from the foundation.

I am so f*king tired of the double standard of the media in this country



 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
24. I would prefer they follow the Obama model, where the presumption is zero tolerance
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 11:57 AM
Aug 2016

towards anything that creates a perception of a conflict of interest or influence peddling.

That everything is considered legal is not the appropriate standard, imo.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
21. You guys at DU are missing the pivot here.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 11:44 AM
Aug 2016

This is a classic Roger Ailes move. Roger Ailes is shifting attention to Hillary Clinton's weak spot. Hillary should challenge Trump's charity donations and his business connections with foreign governments. Then democrats should demand that Trump give up his businesses.

still_one

(92,266 posts)
23. You are right. The Clinton Foundation has done amazing things, much more than
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 11:54 AM
Aug 2016

these muck racking reporters will ever do in their insignificant worthless lives.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
28. Damn Straight!
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 12:36 PM
Aug 2016

The classic republican move is to find your own weak spot and then attack your enemy with is as if it was their weak spot. Trump is, was, and always has been a crooked business man. Any "charity" with his name on it only exists to feather is own bed.

Demand transparency on all of Trumps financial connections - to charities, to foreign banks, and to his massive personal and corporate debt. While your at it - demand he proves his taxes are being audited.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
29. Didn't miss it at all, that's why I posted it.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 12:39 PM
Aug 2016

And yes, it has Ailes' stink all over it. This was to be expected...it's just a matter now of looking for Ailes and Barron's fingerprints as we move forward.

Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #21)

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
25. Didn't President Carter transfer the peanut business
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 12:00 PM
Aug 2016

after he won the election? I remember something about not being able to blind trust but then it proved too much for Billy?

What about the bushes? did HW or W have to rid themselves of businesses?

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