Clinton says email rules different for Hillary

[DonViejo]

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Latest on the U.S. presidential race (all times local):

8:05 p.m.

Bill Clinton says it was a mistake for Hillary Clinton to maintain a personal email server even though her predecessors and her successor at the State Department did it. But the former president says his wife should have known that there would be a different set of rules applied to her if she ran for the presidency.

Bill Clinton defended the Democratic nominee for president Friday during a question-and-answer period at a Las Vegas forum organized by the Asian American Journalists Association and APIA Vote.

Clinton says it didn't occur to diplomats sending the emails at the time that they should be concerned with records classification.

The former president also says the email server shouldn't be a cause for distrust, and that people in the national security community wouldn't endorse Hillary Clinton's candidacy if it was.

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[Jim Lane]

1. I haven't followed the "damn emails" all that closely but I thought this was inaccurate.

My impression was that prior Secretaries had private email accounts but that none had a private offsite email server.

Can anyone enlighten me?

[GoCubsGo]

3. When they say "private", they mean non-government.

Of course the Secretary of State's Department of State e-mail account is private, in the sense that nobody else has access to it. But, it is not a private account. It is a government account, on a government server. Private accounts are those on a personal server of an individual, a charitable foundation, or that of some corporation like AT&T, Google or Comcast. So, yes, it is accurate.

[Adrahil]

5. That may be true, but that, IMO, would be worse.

If your account is sitting on someone else's server that you don't have control over, then you have no control over the security of it, or who has physical access to iy.

[amandabeech]

9. Dir. Comey stated that Sec. Clinton would have been better off using G-mail

because the security used on the Chappaqua server was very poor.

[DanTex]

16. If he actually said that, he was wrong.

But it doesn't matter, legally there's no difference between a private server and gmail or aol.

[amandabeech]

17. Comey said that between 11:00 and 11:15 am on July 5th

when he read on TV the statement that he had prepared. I watched him give that statement and read the written statement online here at DU. Statements like this stick in one's mind.

I tend to think that the FBI specialists who examined the Chappaqua server and investigated the methods by which it was protected know the situation better than the rest of us.

Secretary Clinton said that she had a made a mistake in using a private server for her official e-mails. The lousy security was part of the mistake.

We don't do ourselves any good by denying the basics of the e-mail investigation. The better course would be to admit the basic facts, say that Sec. Clinton learned something from her mistakes and say that she won't repeat them as President. When you're trying to convince a wavering voter to vote for Sec. Clinton, it doesn't work to deny basic facts.

[DanTex]

18. Again, if he actually said that, he was wrong.

My guess is that you're misquoting him, you seem to have it out for Clinton. Bit it's possible he is just mistaken, it wouldn't be the first time: he also had to walk back his claim about the emails that were "marked classified."

Using a commercial email service means automatically that a private company has access to your emails, which means that legally it worse than a private server. In terms of security, with a private server, there are no security questions to guess, no tech support people to socially engineer, etc.

Remember, there were multiple breaches of commercial email accounts of high-ranking officials. And the state department's email system was also breached. But there is no evidence that Hillary's server was hacked.

Bottom line is: Colin Powell and others had practices which were at least as bad as what Hillary did, but nobody cared. We don't do ourselves any favors by denying that Hillary is held up to different standards.

[amandabeech]

19. So go and look at it yourself. n/t

[amandabeech]

6. You are correct.

FBI Director Comey said that the Clintons had a series of private servers set up in their house in Chappaqua. While Hillary served as Secretary of State, she had only one e-mail address which was run off the server in Chappaqua. If you look at the e-mails available at various sites on the net, you will see that her address (I think I have it right) @clintonmail.org.

Then Secretary Clinton did not have a government e-mail address which would have ended in @state.gov.

The Chappaqua server was used by the Clinton Foundation and by Bill for any personal e-mail.

Former Secretaries Powell and Rice each used their personal commercial e-mail addresses. I'm thinking that they were AOL. Neither had a private offsite e-mail server.

[NWCorona]

12. The only thing I would add to your post is

That the original server Brian Pagliano built, a hybrid Bills original server and off the shelf parts, housed all the emails from the foundation, Bill, Hillary and her aides (not @.Gov). I'm not 100% on that after Platte River took over though.

[amandabeech]

13. Thanks for the additional info.

We can't forget about Platte River.

Of course, @.gov isn't on any of the several Chappaqua servers.

[NWCorona]

14. Yeah I added that in case anyone challenged my statement by saying that her aides used .Gov

That would be true but some had both accounts.

Have a good one!

[Bill USA]

10. previous secretaries had personal email accounts with commercial email service providers. Hillary's

server was a government controlled server. Commercial email service providers have large numbers of people for cyber-security -they work to protect their systems (i.e. servers) from hackers and malware. Guess what, in order to do their jobs they MUST be able to examine any and all emails and attachments thereto on their systems. Guess what (2) these people DO NOT have government security clearances. Therefore if any classified info is in emails in commercial accounts - NOBODY can assert, with confidence, that such classified info has NOT been compromised. Commercial email accounts are not secure.

As Comey testified, there was no evidence that Hillary's server was ever hacked. Comey said they found malware in some of the emails of people HRC communicated with. IF FBI software could find malware in emails - it sure as hell could find it on her server.
So, it wasn't hacked. (note: nobody slips malware onto somebody's server only to have it erase itself after a while. They want the malware to stay there and provide updates as to what's going on on that server (e.g. emails sent/received). If anybody got malware onto her server it would still have been there when the FBI checked it out.

[amandabeech]

11. Was it a government controlled server because two guys at the State Department

dealt with it some? The server was also used by the Clinton Foundation, and people hired by the CF also worked on it. Obviously, I'm missing something.

Would you please elaborate?

[Bill USA]

20. "server was 'used' by Clinton Foundation"?...do you mean something other than sending emails during

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Hillary's tenure as Sec of State?.. got any links?

"people hired by the CF also 'worked on it' "?? are you talking about IT contractors, they are not "hired" as in their (CF's) employment. IT's certainly possible the CF may have used some IT contractors which also Hillary hired. got any links?


Be advised the links must be legitimate information sources - that is, NOT Right Wing twit sites with made up facts.

Hillary's server was set up by a former State Department IT specialist.

commercial email service providers have considerable staffs of cyber security personnel who are monitoring what's going on on their system 24 hours a day. Re Clinton's server, the access of consultants or contractors for let's say, installing new antivirus software, would last a few hours or a day at the most.

Commercial email accounts, with the accessibility of cybersecurity personnell 24 hrs a day, are by definition - NOT secure.

How secure was Clinton's server? There is no evidence anybody hacked into her server. How has the Government in general done re keeping computer systems safe from hacking? Not so well. Several Government agencies have been hacked. The state department experienced an unauthorized intrusion described as "the worst ever".

Of course, this comparison isn't really fair. The State Department has about 11,000 people employed in the U.S. Most hacks are vectored into a computer system using an email which looks legitimate but is a phoney which contains malware. But once it's opened, malware in the emails get's on the server. So, at dept of State you have 11,000 potential "open windows" - people to open a fake legitimate email - to inadvertantly slip malware into the State dept's computer system. To get onto Hilary's server the person you have fool is Hillary Clinton. So with Hillary's server you've got one chance to slip malware in. With the State Dept's system you have 11,000 chances to fool one person. Get the picture??

[pnwmom]

15. Legally, Colin Powell's private AOL account had exactly the same status as Hillary's private server.

Neither used the State dept. .gov system, which was preferred by State. However, the law allowed them to use their private email accounts (without regard to whether they used a commercial or private server) as long as they preserved their emails. Hillary thought hers were being recorded and preserved when she emailed other state department employees through their .gov addresses, but she kept hers anyway.

When the State Dept asked Powell and Hillary for their emails, Powell replied that he had destroyed all of his. Hillary had her attorneys sort through hers (they did it with a computer program) to pull out her private emails, and provided the rest -- in paper copies, as the law required.

It turned out that during the period of time involved, the State Department's .gov system -- the one she and Powell were "supposed to" but not required to use -- preserved only a tiny fraction of emails.

So Hillary did a much better job of preserving her emails than the State Department's official system did.

[NCTraveler]

2. By far the most vetted candidate in history.

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[Wilms]

4. I think he should drop the subject.

I don't think it's helpful to say predecessors had private servers when they didn't, or that no one considered record retention. Sounds pretty bad.

I think it best to let it go. The ones who aren't voting for HRC never were going to. The rest are over the email thing.

[amandabeech]

7. His statements in this campaign have often been unhelpful.

He's getting older, he had major bypass surgery and he seems to have lost a step.

[whistler162]

8. What I have been basicallu saying all along!