Kaine and Warren likely not the VP pick, who say you?

[morningfog]

The publicly discussed short list has winnowed with Kaine saying he doesn't expect it will be him and Warren speaking early at the Convention.

Interestingly, James Stavridis has been included in the public short list. But he was clearly on Hillary's actual short list for some time.

What it tells us is that the media doesn't have the full story or the full list and it could (maybe probably will) be someone not yet discussed or reported to be vetted.

Who do you think it could be? Not your preference, but your educated guess.

[840high]

1. I don't think Warren will be.

[w4rma]

3. Which is why I didn't support Hillary in the primary. (nt)

[KMOD]

2. I honestly don't know.

The only ones who do know, are the candidates who are being vetted, the Clintons, and their lawyer.

There are probably surprises on her list that are not on anyone's radar.

[DanTex]

4. My guess is still Kaine. Just seems like the "safe pick" and running against Trump

there's a logic to going safe.

[rjsquirrel]

6. Concur

The obvious choice.

[Night Watchman]

20. "I don't expect to be picked"

Boilerplate for soon-to-be running mates.

But I'm still betting on Perez!

[Zen Democrat]

54. If it's Gingrich or Christie, we need a strong debater. If it's Pence, anyone will do. nt

[w4rma]

5. Booker and Kaine are awful and pokes in the eyes of progressives.

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Brown will cost us a very important Senate seat.

Castro and Perez haven't distinguished themselves. They would waste the bully pulpit.

And, I figured out why the media has been pushing Perez: He is a strong supporter of the TPP.

I strongly doubt that she'll surprise the world and pick Sanders.

And, with that list, plus the chemistry that Hillary and Warren have when they campaigned together, I can't really think of who else would be Hillary's VP choice.

[chillfactor]

7. Julian Castro...n/t

[w4rma]

8. Don't you think he's just a little inexperienced? And looks like it, too? (nt)

[okasha]

10. A VP is either a mentor

or an apprentice. Hillary doesn't need a mentor.

[BlueStater]

12. She needs someone capable of taking over the country in case something happens to her.

Castro doesn't cut the mustard. Not even slightly.

[Vattel]

32. Castro was also part of the smear campaign against Sanders on immigration issues.

So picking him would also be a poke in the eye of Sanders supporters.

[w4rma]

42. Agreed. (nt)

[okasha]

53. I t was his brother Joaquin who was accused

of "smearing" Sanders.

[lunamagica]

43. I was for Juluan Castro, but now I like Xavier Becerra. He has all of Castros' pluses, but he is a

more solid candidate.

Also, he is fully bilingual, which is not a requirement, but it sure is a plus!

[tallahasseedem]

9. I'm rooting for Kaine...

as long as there's no shady financials. Rachel's clip of him being interviewed in Spanish tonight was pretty incredible as well.

[Chan790]

11. Based on nothing but a vibe...

I think it's down to two people between Perez and Stavridis. Both seem to be being floated by the campaign to media and I've seen major-media profiles on both within the past 24 hours. So I have a feeling this is the final two options they're weighing; whichever isn't chosen is probably getting a major administration post. This would be the common way to float trial balloons to test how a pick would be received.

Tim Kaine was seemingly floated earlier this week and I think they disliked the read they got on feedback to that balloon.

[AgadorSparticus]

52. Funny. I am thinking the same. Have nothing to base it one but a hunch.

I think it will be Perez or Stravridis too. More the latter, but we shall see....

[StevieM]

13. I think it will probably be Tom Vilsack. And I am still not ruling out Xavier Becerra. (eom)

[lunamagica]

14. Xavier Becerra

[morningfog]

15. I'm tending to think it will be Beccera.

His name has come up, but not full trial
Balloon yet.

[MoonRiver]

39. He would be the best choice, imho.

[StevieM]

51. I love Becerra and he would be my first choice. But it looks like she is going

in a different direction.

My money is on Tom Vilsack.

[AgadorSparticus]

16. I had such high hopes on it being Warren. But I just read today that she asked to speak on the

First day of convention. VP's dont speak on the first day typically. So, I am a little (ok. A lot) bummed.

Since it doesn't appear to be Warren, I have no idea. If I just HAD to pick someone, it will be the admiral, stradvirus (I am pretty sure i totally killed that spelling).

[musicblind]

17. I am really sad to hear it isn't Warren.

She was my top hope.

I really don't want it to be Kaine. I don't hate Kaine or anything, but I don't think he will energize people. She needs to ENERGIZE people. Warren is an amazing speaker and would have been perfect for that.

[Hortensis]

22. Same here. Haven't heard Stavridis speak

but I just read a couple things, one by and one about him, and he's a very interesting guy. The antithesis of the neocon crowd. Wonder what they'd be like together.

That she's looking at him suggests she's very concerned about the promise of a great deal of further unrest in the world due to global warming and disappearing fresh water over the next 8 years. Dealing with world crises piling on each other could easily take all her time.

Still like Perez a lot, and Tim Kaine's probably far more redoubtable than I realize, but...the admiral is interesting.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/world-report/2013/07/25/recently-retired-nato-commander-james-stavridis-on-conflict-resolution

[AgadorSparticus]

38. Thanks for the link. Hadn't seen that.

If there is going to be an increased military presence, his approach and perspective will be interesting. He sounds like a thinker and doer who gets the big picture. We shall see. Will be interesting for sure.

[Hortensis]

46. Interesting, all right.

We could become an anti-war saint and still potentially be busier militarily than at any time since the last world war.

[AgadorSparticus]

47. Wouldn't that be something? Hortensis, if you haven't listened to his TED TALK,

I highly recommend.

Here, I am going to post it in case anyone else wants to see it.

https://www.ted.com/talks/james_stavridis_how_nato_s_supreme_commander_thinks_about_global_security?language=en

[Hortensis]

48. I hadn't and now have, thank you.

I'd really like to hear him talk at a more detailed level, but this was inspiring and a nice look at him. It'd be an honor to be his friend.

[AgadorSparticus]

36. I feel the same. Kaine isn't very exciting. Maybe he hasn't been given a chance yet to really shine?

That is what I am hoping anyways.

Warren is electric! Not only is she a force in her own right, but choosing her can translate to downline success as well. That was part of my hope. There has been some speculation that she would outshine Hillary. I find that just offensive. We CAN have 2 powerful and accomplished women working together. She would be quite an asset for the Hillary Presidency. We shall see.....

[OnDoutside]

23. It might be genuine but it COULD be a smokescreen until they see who Trump picks.

They could always change her to later in the week.

[AgadorSparticus]

37. It could. There's still hope....

But I am not holding my breath. Trump is suddenly adding a general to the vetting mix. They must have some information that is lending them to look at someone with military experience.

I don't know. Total speculation. Just a hunch. But maybe they anticipate an increased military presence?

[OnDoutside]

40. I doubt that Trump would pick a military person, who would also be an untested politician like him.

I think the Clinton campaign are just covering the bases.

[BainsBane]

18. Tom Perez, maybe?

So hard to say.

[morningfog]

30. It very well could be him. Perez or Becerra.

[oberliner]

19. Tom Vilsack

The ultimate safe choice.

[LiberalFighter]

21. I don't like the idea of a unknown military being in the executive.

Actually any military.

I don't see Vilsack offering anything to the campaign.

I am thinking that just because Warren is slotted to speak first doesn't mean she is out. Things could change. Or it could be a planned surprise to make people believe she isn't the pick.

If Kaine was Hispanic himself I would be right with him. But he isn't. I'm leaning more toward Perez. I wish Castro had more in his resume.

[DemonGoddess]

24. I think all the names being floated are,

for the most part, smoke screens. I think she's had someone specific in mind all along, but is waiting to see what the Rethugs do before she makes a final decision.

[Vinca]

25. She needs to pick someone who is going to generate a little bit of excitement.

Okay . . . a whole lot of excitement. I'm still in Warren's corner, but I don't think it will happen.

[apnu]

26. Julian Castro! (nt)

[book_worm]

27. Just because Kaine says it won't be him doesn't mean it won't be and also

the Clinton campaign went to great length to say that just because EW has a early speaking slot doesn't eliminate her from the VP stakes.

[morningfog]

28. Sure, anything is possible. But I would bet money it won't be either

of them.

[Her Sister]

29. Not sure! Lots of good & interesting choices!

Have not heard about James Stavridis being a choice before. He seems very smart and experienced in both military and the law.

[Vote2016]

31. Kaine doubles down on "change = bad; status quo = good" which wins no votes but loses many.

[RBInMaine]

44. Bullshit.

[Vote2016]

49. On what issue is Kaine to the left of Obama (who is the status quo)?

[NorthCarolina]

33. If I had to guess, I would anticipate someone

who will generate interest among the heavy campaign donor class like possibly

- Joe Manchin of WV
- Joe Donnelly of IN
- Claire McCaskill of CA

Chris Matthews has even mentioned a few times that Hillary should choose Kasich, so who knows...perhaps he had some inside info?

[SheilaT]

55. Claire McCaskill is from Missouri, not California.

I'm very unimpressed with her as Senator. I used to live on the Kansas side of the border, near Kansas City, MO, so I was aware of her as she held various elective offices and ran for others.

Plus, at 62 she's too close in age to Clinton. I want to see the VP pick at least a decade younger than Hillary.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. Not Kaine please.

Tired of that entire spectrum of mealy mouthed and biased politicians with the anti gay past history.

[OnDoutside]

41. There would be few who would have a pro gay past. More important is where they are now.

[RBInMaine]

45. Almost everyone has evolved on this. Don't be so single-issue.

[Vote2016]

50. Picking Kaine would be a huge boon to Jill Stein and brings exactly zero votes to the table. Kaine

would be a confession that Hillary fears being upstaged and that fear drove her VP selection. Picking Kaine is a surrender to the lack of confidence. We win with Kaine (maybe?) in 2016 but Hillary-Kaine loses to Ryan on 2020.

[w4rma]

56. Kaine voted to Fast Track the TPP. The only people he impressed with that vote were his donors. (nt)

[voteearlyvoteoften]

35. Bernie