2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumShaun King: Hillary Clinton has not won the Democratic Primary
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-hillary-clinton-not-won-democratic-primary-article-1.2664569Tuesday was scheduled to be the single biggest day of the entire Democratic Primary season with a total of 694 pledged delegates up for grabs in California, New Jersey, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, and New Mexico.
In the past 45 days alone, more than 650,000 new voters registered in California and the state announced that with 72% of available voters registered, it was the highest percentage of people ever registered for primaries in the state.
It was a survey - an anonymous survey.
Yes, you read that correctly - a survey. The Associated Press conducted a secret survey of super-delegates, in which they promised to protect their identities, and determined that just enough of them, the perfect number actually, said they intended to vote for Hillary Clinton 50 days from now during the Democratic Convention. For the AP, that was enough to go ahead and call the race for her.
It's disgusting.
The entire setup by the media and yes Hillary's campaign yesterday just to suppress the votes in the remaining primary is absolutely disgusting. The reaction of Hill-fans goes to a whole new level of disgusting beyond that.
artyteacher
(598 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)artyteacher
(598 posts)And pretty much unstoppable.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)I knew it was over.
still_one
(92,366 posts)"In a statement released after the APs call, the Sanders campaign argued that the media is wrong to declare Clinton the presumptive nominee by including superdelegates.....
"But Sanderss statement and the APs call distract from the larger point. Clinton will be the Democratic nominee because substantially more Democrats have voted for her. In addition to her elected delegate majority, shes received approximately 13.5 million votes so far in primaries and caucuses, compared with 10.5 million for Sanders."
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There also isnt much sign of forward momentum for Sanders, after a strong run of contests in late March and early April. Over the past seven weeks, from the New York primary on April 19 through Puerto Rico on Sunday, Clinton has won 505 pledged delegates compared with 428 for Sanders. Her current lead in our national polling average, 14.4 percentage points, is the widest it has been since mid-February.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hillary-clinton-clinches-democratic-nomination-according-to-ap/
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)This 17 point Bernie advantage among California Democrats would seem to suggest otherwise.
Image came from here: https://twitter.com/NotMeUs/status/740176538654650368
still_one
(92,366 posts)those numbers are bullshit
The most accurate pollster in California is the Field Poll, and they give a 2 point spread between the candidates.
Registered Democrats who voted in the last election in California are overwhelming voting for Hillary
The wild cards are the NPP registrations, and the newly registered, and the consensus of pollsters in the last two weeks is within two point spread.
So yeah, I am sure about that.
Here are recent polls, including Marist/WSJ which gives a 2 point spread:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ca/california_democratic_presidential_primary-5321.html
Maybe you should look again, and view things objectively
ISUGRADIA
(2,571 posts)Somebody's tweet is not enough, I want to see this confirmed from the actual news website if you can provide a link.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)If someone decides on their own not to vote, for whatever reason that is and they're not being stopped from doing it ... it is NOT disenfranchisement. Words have meanings, you're abusing them.
senz
(11,945 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)And it is not disenfranchisement in any way, shape or form. Calling it that does a disservice to real voter disenfranchisement.
senz
(11,945 posts)The AP was going to give Hill a meaningless "presumptive candidate" status AFTER today's voting.
But they jumped the gun last night. Must have been worried about something.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and nobody is being deprived of their right to vote.
TwilightZone
(25,473 posts)There are lists publicly available. Feel free to contact them all.
In fact, you can probably get a list from Sanders' campaign. He's been in contact with them frequently of late.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Do you have that information?
According to the Associated Press the superdelegates who allegedly just decided to support Clinton wish to keep their support a secret.
Are you claiming that AP lied?
Read their statement.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)This is:
Raster
(20,998 posts)There is a difference.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)They think they're cute. They're just in denial.
Secretary Clinton is the Presumptive Nominee.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Doesn't matter if people who hate her guts accept it or not.
Time for change
(13,718 posts)But there is something that I find much more disgusting than this:
The massive voter suppression (poll closings, voter purging, and changing registrations in closed primaries) and other election fraud in this year's Democratic primaries.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)still aren't ready to accept reality. Feel free to stamp your feet in frustration. It'll do every bit as much good as posting here will.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)This election is definitely contested, it is not won.
senz
(11,945 posts)To win the 2016 Democratic primary, a candidate must have 2,383 delegates.
As of June 6th, Hillary has 1,812 pledged delegates and Bernie has 1,526 pledged delegates. That's a difference of 286 delegates.
To reach 2,383 before the convention, Hillary would need 571 more pledged delegates and Bernie would need 857 more pledged delegates.
The states that vote today and the number of pledged delegates available from each:
CA -- 475
MT -- 21
NJ -- 126
NM -- 34
ND -- 18
SD -- 20
D.C. has 20 delegates and votes on June 14.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/
It is virtually impossible for either candidate to reach 2,383 pledged delegates from the remaining states. Since the pledged delegates alone don't confer 2,383, the superdelegate votes at the convention will make up the difference and decide the nomination.
The AP announced last night that Hillary had "won," even though she hasn't. They made this announcement before the seven remaining primaries had been held. It will depress voter turnout and is an an act of sabotage.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)and Bernie needs 857, wouldn't that make it a mathematical impossibility?
senz
(11,945 posts)Read the facts and digest them.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)The supers have never swayed an election against the will of the people. The person with the most PDs wins.
And as far as Hillary hitting the mark with PD's, there's 714 remaining, she needs 570. It's mathematically possible, albeit not probable.
LexVegas
(6,089 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i mean, the dnc hasn't declared her the nom, it was the press, and before all states voted.
pathetic, really. like the kid who needs his big brother to walk him to school because he can't yet take care of himself.
she is a pathetic, weak, propped candidate.
nov. gonna be a bloodbath
#neverhillary
#bernieorbust
#fuckunity
#thirdworldgovernment
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)it's too close.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)So then AP could be the outlet to declare FIRST!! Whoopee!! They were first - give them a cookie!
In the meantime they suppressed votes and shit on democracy.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)PepperHarlan
(124 posts)Couldn't care less about his political views.