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to the highest bidder. Not saying you, personally, are selling out your values but those who are behind Hillary who are far greater than you or me, in the grand scheme of things, are taking this country into their oligopolistic hands piece by piece. The environment? Still fracking, still sending oil trains through populous areas that have the potential to destroy whole towns. I live right by such a railway (within blocks) and it's not fun thinking that one of the things can explode. With Trump? I get that for a very long time. With Hillary? I get that for a long time. I'd prefer neither. Or perhaps you live in a McMansion and check your iPhone while driving your SUV hoping someone replies to your DU post because at work and in your personal life, you're the center of the world (or "Ah-MAYR-ri-cuh"
. You're making assumptions of me, so I'm making one of you.
Perhaps you're not noticing that your rights to work are slowly being eroded away, your country's jobs are being stolen by those at the head of Walmart and other such companies that are destroying our economy for their profit piece by piece. Your candidate's line of thinking has long deep roots in the for-profit prison system in this country. "HER" line of thinking gave us the highest rate of incarceration on the planet. "HER" line of thinking has taken manufacturing out of this country in the aims of making corporations more profitable, and refuses to admit it. "HER" line of thinking has given us the most disastrous war in the history of the country, and all she does is brag about how awesome "Ah-MAYR-ri-cuh" is without admitting that her foreign policy will take us into more debt, more innocent lives lost, and more harm to our society. I watched her "foreign policy" speech, and if you say you're proud of that, you're basically a fascist in a quaint blue color. You need to understand the big picture of history, and understand that Ah-MAYR-ri-cuh cannot continue this path pretending that we're somehow the leader of the world. Humility is what Clinton sorely lacks, and that is why so many abhor her attitudes and policy stances.
But, please, go ahead and shout "RAH-RAH" from the rooftops since we have our first female president. I'm sure the first troops who find themselves in Syria or Iran are going to fucking hate her for sending yet another generation into an unnecessary war.
Who's willing to sell who out?
AGAIN, for the 15th fucking time......Trump or Clinton.....SAME THING.
I said on another thread that I'm going to stick around for just enough grave dancing where I won't want to come back for a long time if ever but not so much that I become someone I don't wish to be.
I hope I recognize the cutoff point.
Nothing personal, I'm tired of this and want to stop fighting, politics and DU isn't really good for me. I have a remodeling project I want to do so I'll concentrate on that.
We would recognize(as the Obama campaign did)that we need partner to them in order to create the conditions for victory in the fall and real change after that. We wouldn't cut off our noses to spite our faces.
After all(despite the smears)Bernie is just as committed to the issues HRC is progressive on (women's rights, choice, LGBTQ issues, and that's pretty much it), so we would have no problem incorporating those themes even more broadly into the fall campaign.
Why is it such a big issue to you that Bernie has called the party corrupt? A lot of Democrats call the party corrupt every single day. Why shouldn't Bernie have said that? He wasn't attacking you or me as individuals, Nance-he's attacking DWS(the most conservative, ineffectual person we could possibly have running the DNC)and the Beltway insiders.
Even if you don't think the process was rigged against him, can you truly say what we have is a clean party leadership? Why do you take what he says about the party so personally? Can you really, honestly tell me you haven't ever said it yourself?
And yes, a very small group of progressives support HRC(almost entirely on the belief that she is more "electable" . Fine. You can't really expect me to believe that even most of those folks think she would do anything bold or transformative as president. I get it that she's competent, but, given her thirty years crusade(since she helped found the DLC)to drive the left OUT of this party, why would you expect her to actually(unless forced to by something close to a general strike)to even try to do anything the rich didn't like? Or ever support labor against the bosses? Or choose peace instead of war?
All I'm saying is, the Sanders movement(not the 'bros, who had nothing to do with the actual campaign)was the major force for change in this campaign...the only campaign that cared about the poor and the powerless. What is the harm in keeping the spirit of what Bernie and his supporters have fought for alive in this party? Why sneer at the very idea of that?
Because an honourable person doesn't ask to run on the Democratic ticket in order to tell voters how corrupt the Democratic Party is. Because an honest person doesn't claim they've brought new voters to the Party when he has consistently told those new voters that the Party is conspiring against him, and is cheating him out of votes.
"A very small group of progressives support HRC (almost entirely on the belief that she is more "electable"
." "The only campaign that cared about the poor and the powerless." Spoken by someone who is drunk on the kool-aide.
I note you have never weighed-in (and if you have, I stand corrected) on the hypocrisy of Bernie saying the SDs are undemocratic and unfair - while now saying he will appeal to the SDs to overturn the will of the voters and hand him a nomination he failed to win on his own merits.
Where do you stand on that, Ken? I'm interested in knowing how you reconcile that blatant hypocrisy with your "Champion of the People" candidate.
I have friends who are dyed in the wool Bernie supporters who I've even seen give "eye rolls" when we've all been together and watching Bernie alleging that the party was conspiring against him
One Bernie supporter pal said out loud to the television "Bernie, why didn't you run as a 3rd party candidate?" I told my friend he'd not even be in the race if that was he case. My friend looked at me and said "Exactly," which is why you don't come into a major party and co-opt the party."
Marriages of "convince" on this level very rarely if ever work out that I've ever seen.
I can think of some people who'd be surprised by your assertion that being progressive means being antiwar too. For example:
That's going win friends and influence people. 
up". They think we are like them. We are not. While they grovel at the foot of the Oligarchy, we fight for the 2.5 million homeless children. They choose profits for corporations over helping those struggling among us. Shame on them 
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Why would those apparatchiks start showing now that which they have been manifestly and ingloriously incapable of since the campaign began?
The AP jumped the gun because they chose to do it and the other networks repeated their results.
She's not Putin, she doesn't control the media.
Gee........
