Bernie is angry -- as is a huge percentage of the country, including many Democrats

[Armstead]

This Brockian/Rovian Meme that Sanders is just a grumpy old man who is just dragging out the primaries to feed his ego is.....(er, how can I say this tactfully?)...Total Absolute Bullshit.

If Sanders were only interested in his "ego," he would have bowed out earlier, and accepted the gratitude and plaudits from Clinton and the Democratic establishment for being a "team player" and "gracious loser."

He would have been satisfied with all of the nice things said about him as an "elder statesman." He would have simply accepted bullshit like "Bernie has brought some important issues into the campaign and made Hillary a better candidate."

He'd collect a large royalty for writing his book and -- instead of the rigors of free speechifying on the campaign trail -- make speeches for big bucks.

Instead, he has accepted the slings and arrows of fighting for the principles he has run on.

And, more important, he is still speaking for, and representing, a VERY large segment of voters -- including many loyal Democrats -- who actually do care about reform and change, and do not like to see the Corporate Centrist Steamroller continue to drive politics.

Bernie may or may not fade from the scene. But what he is fighting for will not fade away.

Attempting to dismiss that reality and marginalize it as the ranting of a Grumpy Old Man is....(er, how to say this subtly?)....Total Absolute Bullshit.

[djean111]

1. I am voting for that Grumpy Old Man.

Count on it. I am NOT voting for a Third Way Hawk of any gender and/or age.

[senz]

40. The only thing Bernie is angry with is injustice. Personally, he's very mellow.

[djean111]

45. Oh, I know! Just attempting to draw a parallel :-) n/t

[senz]

49. Understood. :)

You're a very good Bernie supporter and you know what's going on.

But the "angry" meme, if misunderstood, could easily harm him, and I wanted to add some necessary nuance.

[pampango]

2. I already voted for the Grumpy Old Man. As an Ohioan I am voting for the Democrat in November. n/t

[MineralMan]

3. Anger is toxic. It's not healthy for individuals or

for a political party, either. It's quickly becoming time to scale back the anger and begin working toward a Democratic win in November. Personally, I think its past time for that change.

Bernie apparently disagrees, as is his privilege. His supporters? Well, they will do what they will do. Most will vote for Clinton in November. The rest will do whatever they decide to do, and will not materially affect the election, in my opinion.

In the end, good sense will prevail.

[Snarkoleptic]

6. Anger is toxic, action is the antidote.

[MineralMan]

9. Action can take many forms.

It does not always involve demonstrations and protests. It can also be things like GOTV activism, voter registration activism and active campaigning.

Your video is from my time. I wasn't there, but I was aware of it. I was an activist in civil rights, anti-war and other areas, and participated in protest actions many times. Did it help? Perhaps. But, I shifted to other forms of activism in the 1970s, and know for a fact that I have accomplished my goals.

I remember Mario Savio. He did some good.

[Armstead]

12. You mean things like the Sanders campaign has been doing all along?

[Betty Karlson]

27. ^this !!!! ^

[polly7]

16. You sounded angry a few months ago smearing good Bernie supporters here, etc. nt.

[MineralMan]

39. I'm not immune to being angry at times.

I try to keep anger at a minimum in my life, though.

I don't know specifically what you're talking about. "A few months ago," is a pretty broad criterion.

[Betty Karlson]

26. I agree: good sense will prevail in the end.

The question is whether the party is foolish enough to try and let Clinton prevail first. Third Way DINO-saurs have (like Clinton) a history of trying all wrong options before doing the right thing.

[DebDoo]

4. And when people try to silence him, they're trying to silence us

Make no mistake, it's not just Bernie the establishment is afraid of, it's all of us he's speaking for. And the longer he speaks, the more us there are.

[Urchin]

11. Good point! n/t

[CajunBlazer]

21. And who are you? One of the 1%

Are you one of the 1% of the registered American voters who will vote for Bernie in the primaries. (Even using Bernie math, it should be easy for you to figure out where a got the 1% of the registered American voters figure from.) Hey, you're one of the 1% - now you have to admit, that's funny.

I am really impressed that we are trying to silence 1% of the American voters.

[alittlelark]

28. Interesting numbers you have there......

Number of posts, last 90 days: 1624
Favorite forum: General Discussion: Primaries, 1173 posts in the last 90 days (72% of total posts)
Favorite group: Hillary Clinton, 416 posts in the last 90 days (26% of total posts)

[me b zola]

41. ...And who are you?

<a href="http://photobucket.com/images/trailer%20park%20boys" target="_blank"><img src="" border="0" alt="trailer park boys photo: Trailer Park Boys photo_view_big-2-1.jpg"/></a>

[riversedge]

5. Sanders needs an anger management class. Not good temperament for POTUS. Certainly not

good optics.

[Yurovsky]

8. And Hillary's inability to modulate her tone is better?

nobody likes to be screamed at, but that is the only way Hillary can talk to large crowds. For small crowds she goes with condescending and smarmy.

[riversedge]

43. it is Sanders doing the Victim card day after day.

[Armstead]

52. The "victim card" is a dumb right-wing meme used to marginalize legitimate concerns

(And yeah, sometimes Sanders supporters use the same meme. Doesn't justify it)

[bettyellen]

55. as is the race card, and the woman card- but you see that ten times a day here. All of it sucks.

Catapulting that RW framing shamelessly.

[kstewart33]

57. Whoa there, pal.

'Modulate her tone'? What's next - drop the matronly wardrobe, wear more makeup, up style her hairstyle, speak softly and respectfully especially when men are around?

[Yurovsky]

65. Give me a break...

She's a terrible public speaker. She shouts when speaking in a normal tone would suffice. There are these new things, called microphones... If she will look in front of her on the podium, I bet she'll find one.

The thing is, when she speaks - in her normal, conversational voice- to small groups AND DOESN'T CONDESCEND she is highly persuasive. Certainly more so than her presumed GE opponent. But don't mind me... Just keep screaming. It did Howard Dean a world of good... (Gender is irrelevant to me, but feel free to assume the worst in others.. I'm not easily offended).

[Armstead]

13. Then at least 40 percent of Democrats do too....not to mention all those independents

[TheCowsCameHome]

17. The HRC Group has all the classes booked up

where it's needed most.

[me b zola]

42. That's your policy position? You don't like Bernie?

How about you talk about the issues important to Dem and left leaning voters?

[PufPuf23]

44. Seriously? Watch this short video clip.

Hillary Clinton does not have the decision-making history nor character to be POTUS not CIC.

Recall POTUS Obama has referred to Libya as his biggest mistake as POTUS.

Also note that WikiLeaks has released emails between Clinton and Blumenthal regards "business opportunities" in Libya in the build up to USA intervention. Recall POTUS Obama specifically directed Blumenthal be omitted from State Department and federal appointment. At the time of the Libya Blumenthal-Clinton emails, Blumenthal was being paid $10,000 per month by The Clinton Foundation.

[polly7]

7. I know I probably shouldn't say this ......

but I wish he'd gotten angry the second it was obvious the MSM was blocking him out from the start, that debates were being postponed and minimized so that millions wouldn't even learn who he was until it was too late, and that the DNC and Brock machine's lies and daily smears were put in place to do exactly what they did ................ among other things.

His supporters WERE angry back then. He was too trusting, imo. It's impossible to take the decency out of a good man - I don't think he saw all the rot from the DNC and establishment coming the way it did.

I don't see him as angry now ............ just disgusted and fed up and determined not to let the millions he's been working for so hard, down.

[Armstead]

14. Bernie has been holding back a lot -- he doesn't get credit for that

I thinki if you had Bernie in a closed room and totally off the record he'd let loose withe what he has really seen about the way DC operates.

[polly7]

15. You're right, he's been more than decent and measured in what he's let public about

the way he feels about the process ..... I'm sure he would have a lot to say that wouldn't be pleasant to hear. But .... I do think that all those whose movement he represents know most of it - which is why they are justifiably angry and want and deserve to be heard.

I feel so bad for him. A good, good man trying so hard - and not one thought for himself in all of this.

[JimDandy]

62. Bernie Sanders is possibly one of the most beloved politician in my lifetime.

All his supporters should get together in every state across the nation, at the same time, on the same day, to say thank you to him.

[Betty Karlson]

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[840high]

31. .that^

[Zorro]

18. Bernie forgot who he should be focusing his anger against

Should be slamming tRump.

[Armstead]

24. What has Trump done to America in a large sense yet?

He's a jerk, and should certainly not be elected.
But the systemic problems on the current state of the nation Sanders is referring to far transcends Trump's impact .

[Vincardog]

33. Wait for the General election Bernie will tear tRump a new hole.

[CajunBlazer]

19. Really, Sanders is speaking for a large segment of the voters?

Currently there are 146,311,000 Americans registered to vote. Thus far, Bernie Sanders has received 9,957,889 votes. (Let's put aside for now that Hillary Clinton has received 12,989,134 votes or 3,031,245 more votes than Sanders.

So thus far Sanders has received the votes of 0.68% of the American voters. But to be fair we still have several states left to vote in their primaries including the big state of California so lets say for fun and games that he will get another 1.36 Million votes. That would mean that Bernie Sanders will have received the votes of only one percent of the registered American voters. That is hardly a VERY large segment of the voters.

[Armstead]

22. To be fair...Clinton has received what.....somewhere around 1 or 2 percent?

And if you haven't yet figured out that Americans are not angry to a large extent, you have not been paying much attention to the news over the last 30 years.

[Bluenorthwest]

48. If Clinton is so very popular why isn't she getting twice the votes Bernie is getting?

He just won my State by double digits, closed primary and everything. Hillary got fewer votes here this year than she did in 08. She could have gotten more. But she didn't. Why do you think that is?

[BlueStateLib]

23. angry people make bad decisions

[Armstead]

25. There are different varieties of anger.

[Demsrule86]

32. You have to be an elder statesman

to be called that...Bernie is no such thing...I could not care less how angry he and his supporters are...they are toxic.

[IndyV0te]

34. anti-establishment anger

It is amazing to me that people actually want more of the corruption, war-mongering, elitism, Wall Street bailout-ism that Clinton (1), Bush and Obama WILLINGLY perpetuated.

Clinton IS the oligarchy (i.e. status quo). So is Romney, Cruz, Bush, ad infinitum.

Obama the "peace president", the "most transparent administration ever". Only people with absolutely no brains whatsoever still believe this horse crap.

Sanders and Trump are simply capitalizing on the latest "anti-establishment" theme. I am glad to see that we common people are questioning the blue/red paradigm.

The real question for me is: Will the demo/repub oligarchy allow the "common vote" to be heard?

[Skwmom]

35. Bernie is out there and understands how fed up people are and how unwilling they are to listen to

the usual b.s.

[JCMach1]

37. Other way around, I think he has fed on the vitriol coming from his supporters...

Go back and watch the early debates... it didn't start out that way.

[jwirr]

38. Because Bernie Sanders is a man who gives his opponents

the benefit of a doubt. But the further we get into this primary the more cheating come out and the more he had to speak up for fairness.

[Armstead]

47. No it didn't....But it wasn't his supporters who solely created vitriol

There's enough culpability to go around. yeah, sanders supporters have gone over the line on occasion.

But the Clinton campaign and its supporters started piling on as soon as he announced his run.

"He has a problem with (choose your minoirity)"............"Sanders is too angry"

Blah,blah,blah.

It could have been an honest contest of ideas and visions. That would not have been a sugar candy road, but it could have occurred without the personal nastiness. That's what Sanders was trying to do -- but the Clinton style of politics would not allow that once he started to catch on.

The Clintons did the same thing to Obama....one of the most decent, level headed politicians you're likely to find.

[silvershadow]

46. You can't side with the "people" who stole millions of homes illegally, throwing untold families

out of their homes and stealing their modest wealth, and expect a different result- can you?

[fleabiscuit]

50. Where did the meme 'has the mental stability of a bag of rats in a burning meth lab' come from? n/t

[Armstead]

51. Never heard that phrase and have no idea what byou are referring to...

[stillwaiting]

53. I love how the corrupt MSM say he is angry and expect their viewers to think there is

something wrong with him. All it does when they do that is get more and more people to realize there is something very wrong with the MSM.

[seabeyond]

54. Sanders is throwing a tantrum, whole demanding to be president. We had one. W.

[Armstead]

58. Thatnk you for infantalizing the issues with the word "Tantrum"

[seabeyond]

59. Sanders and his supporters have over last months with tantrum whining falsely accusing when lost.

[JimDandy]

64. 2 incoherent posts in a row. Thought problems? Punctuation problem?

Let's see if your 3rd one is a charm.

[seabeyond]

66. Meh...

Just single finger typing on a kindle. Hey... try nasty insults instead.

[JimDandy]

68. See, 3rd time is a charm.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. Well they will try the worst ones last I suspect

[JimDandy]

60. Right On! n/t

[panader0]

61. Recommended

[JEB]

63. What's the old saw?

If you aren't angry, you aren't paying attention.

[MrMickeysMom]

67. If you're not angry, you're not paying attention...

Get angry... Get going...

[Enthusiast]

69. Huge +1!