2016 Postmortem
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SheenaR
(2,052 posts)This will somehow be Bernie's fault.
They never would have known about them!!
djean111
(14,255 posts)I don't think they understand that "being vetted" does not make the baggage go away. Oh, and she was vetted in 2008. LOTS of new baggage available.
And who gives a crap if it bothers Hillary or not - it is how her baggage is perceived by voters that is important. All of her disdainful shoulder-brushing just makes it worse, IMO. Not to mention that she stole that gesture from Obama, who was brushing off Hillary's campaign smears.
senz
(11,945 posts)With her intricate secrecy, it is almost impossible to vet her.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Republican operatives are scouring the country for transcripts, notes or secret recordings ofHillary Clintons paid speeches to Goldman Sachs in hopes of finding damaging material for the general election.
Clinton has rebuffed calls from Bernie Sandersto release the transcripts of her three speeches to the Wall Street giant, which she delivered in 2013 to the tune of $225,000 per appearance. She has repeatedly said she will release the transcripts of her paid speeches when all the presidential candidates agree to do so.
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Ian Prior, the communications director for the well-funded Republican group American Crossroads, said information about the Goldman Sachs speeches could prove cataclysmic for the Democratic Party.
Finding and releasing the transcripts would be a heck of a way to outflank Hillary on her left [in a general election] and stop Bernies supporters from voting for her, he said.
Just mail the Goldman Sachs transcripts to every Bernie supporter. Theres your targeted mail program right there."
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/279072-gop-operatives-on-the-prowl-for-secret-clinton-transcripts
They are campaigning intelligently. This was always going to be an issue in the Fall. And if they think they can try and sway some Dems in the process, they can try all they want. Multiple OPs have been posted about Republicans coming over to vote for Hillary in the NeverTrump movement. It's all fair game.
But she did this. She could have been transparent. She wasn't and won't be. She has to own that.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The Democrats will try the same approach against trump.
The whole election is going to be about who can tear the other down the most. Both candidates will have a lot of powerful ammunition.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)She could have prevented this long ago. But her inability to use good judgment will forever haunt her.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)she keeps repeating the failed secrecy, stonewall, and deflect strategy. It always causes problems, sometimes much more than the hit she would take by just being open and honest.
cali
(114,904 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)fraudulent ones knowing she will never release them.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)We are told that she's a "smart" politician and one would think she wouldn't be stupid enough to say anything that would harm her ambitions.
Conclusion:
a) She isn't as smart as advertised.
b) She has something to hide.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)You know shit's bad when you have HRC and DT as your only viable choices.
Root canal vs teeth pulled.
msongs
(67,504 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)People who were there stated she was speaking glowingly about Goldman Sachs.
What Clinton said in her paid speeches
Recalled one attendee: 'She sounded more like a Goldman Sachs managing director.'
It was pretty glowing about us, one person who watched the event said. Its so far from what she sounds like as a candidate now. It was like a rah-rah speech. She sounded more like a Goldman Sachs managing director.
At another speech to Goldman and its big asset management clients in New York in 2013, Clinton spoke about how it wasnt just the banks that caused the financial crisis and that it was worth looking at the landmark 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform law to see what was working and what wasnt.
It was mostly basic stuff, small talk, chit-chat, one person who attended that speech said. But in this environment, it could be made to look really bad.
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It was pretty glowing about us, one person who watched the event said. Its so far from what she sounds like as a candidate now. It was like a rah-rah speech. She sounded more like a Goldman Sachs managing director.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/clinton-speeches-218969#ixzz48wllxJjf
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)She could have headed this off long ago, or avoided it altogether. It's a ridiculous controversy of her own making.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)to herself as long as possible. If I was advising her, I would wait until she is the official nominee, then use the transcripts to leverage release of Trumps tax returns. She can then release anything she wants, since apparently no one has another copy.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)I wont say it wont come out at some point. Its like a bomb thats going to go off in the general election.
Secret video of the Goldman speeches is a tantalizing prospect for Republicans, as they know from experience how damaging such material can be. Their last presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, was badly damaged by a secretly taped video released in 2012 where he said 47 percent of voters would vote for President Obama because they are dependent upon government.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)people actively filming her speech on their phones. The same people also could remember no specifics. It was on CNN back the fall, if you want to search. The people in the segment said that none of them had a tape, but that they thought it might be out there. One person said it was a boring speech, so wouldn't be surprised if people just deleted it in the ensuing years. Hopefully it will come out, but after Hillary is able to use them to get something out of Trump. She is smart enough not to say anything that could potentially be used against her. The Sanders folks are the first to point out that she has been running for president for many, many years.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)NEVER provide fodder to your enemies, even if it's as milquetoast as can be imagined.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)It really depends on the amount of damage early release will cause you versus the long term drag of the appearance you are hiding something serious.
The good thing about early disclosure is you have time to rebuild your position. If forced to disclose something negative late, or external sources disclose it, you have no time to recover and the public's view that you were being deceptive is confirmed. That is the worst situation.
senz
(11,945 posts)I hope the thread title with the dreaded word "GOP" isn't keeping people from recommending this OP.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)Oh, wait...
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Complain about the MSM propelling propaganda, shove it down our throats on our little island. Nice job.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)But hey...I can't tell how predictable it is that you of all all people would post a GOP hit piece on Hillary on a Dem site.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)I still wonder if it's just part of a planned whitewash.