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Post removed (Original Post) Post removed May 2016 OP
Lol SheenaR May 2016 #1
I was just thinking that. djean111 May 2016 #3
Actually, releasing the speeches would be vetting. senz May 2016 #22
GOP operatives on the prowl for secret Clinton transcripts JRLeft May 2016 #4
I'd say SheenaR May 2016 #10
The goal is to get enough voters to stay home or vote 3rd party. JRLeft May 2016 #12
Absolutely. They know they won't win those votes. BillZBubb May 2016 #31
Ugly campaigns help the GOP because it suppresses the vote. JRLeft May 2016 #32
It's only going to get worse for her. floriduck May 2016 #2
It's never her fault. She's always the victim. JRLeft May 2016 #5
What I don't get is for someone supposedly so smart, BillZBubb May 2016 #33
What a weak ad. cali May 2016 #6
Bernie supporters posting actual GOP propaganda. YouDig May 2016 #7
Did you watch the video it's commentary from a progressive about the ad. JRLeft May 2016 #8
Brockpuppet troll accusing a longtime DUer of being a troll. n/t QC May 2016 #24
Easy solution: Release the transcripts and prove them wrong. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #9
She won't and the GOP will either get them and release them or release JRLeft May 2016 #11
By not releasing them, she gives the impression of having something to hide. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #13
There's is definitely something to hide. Those documents may end up sinking her campaign. JRLeft May 2016 #14
so pray tell us what exactly ARE those things she has to hide? be specific nt msongs May 2016 #16
If she had nothing to hide they would have been released. JRLeft May 2016 #18
I think this is the very definition of an unforced error loyalsister May 2016 #15
It's amazing that nothing has leaked yet...turning into a very smart move for Hillary to keep them anotherproletariat May 2016 #17
Not if they wait until October or September. JRLeft May 2016 #19
It wouldn't be secret video. They've already interviewed Goldman employees who reported anotherproletariat May 2016 #20
You cannot believe that! If it was boring she would have released it along time ago. JRLeft May 2016 #21
You seem naive as to the realities of politics Dem2 May 2016 #28
You are providing more fodder by keeping the wound open. BillZBubb May 2016 #34
K&R Excellent commentary by liberal analyst Seth Abramson on a pertinent subject. senz May 2016 #23
Most of them did not watch the video. JRLeft May 2016 #26
Why is the MSM pushing this propaganda on us! Dem2 May 2016 #25
It's only going to get worse. JRLeft May 2016 #27
Yes, thanks Dem2 May 2016 #29
wow...didn't see that coming. I'm shocked Sheepshank May 2016 #30
Weak. Her and Bill made a hell of a lot more than a million. Skwmom May 2016 #35
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. I was just thinking that.
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:53 PM
May 2016

I don't think they understand that "being vetted" does not make the baggage go away. Oh, and she was vetted in 2008. LOTS of new baggage available.

And who gives a crap if it bothers Hillary or not - it is how her baggage is perceived by voters that is important. All of her disdainful shoulder-brushing just makes it worse, IMO. Not to mention that she stole that gesture from Obama, who was brushing off Hillary's campaign smears.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
22. Actually, releasing the speeches would be vetting.
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:46 PM
May 2016

With her intricate secrecy, it is almost impossible to vet her.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
4. GOP operatives on the prowl for secret Clinton transcripts
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:54 PM
May 2016

Republican operatives are scouring the country for transcripts, notes or secret recordings ofHillary Clinton’s paid speeches to Goldman Sachs in hopes of finding damaging material for the general election.

Clinton has rebuffed calls from Bernie Sandersto release the transcripts of her three speeches to the Wall Street giant, which she delivered in 2013 to the tune of $225,000 per appearance. She has repeatedly said she will release the transcripts of her paid speeches when all the presidential candidates agree to do so.

> Snip

Ian Prior, the communications director for the well-funded Republican group American Crossroads, said information about the Goldman Sachs speeches could prove cataclysmic for the Democratic Party. 

Finding and releasing the transcripts “would be a heck of a way to outflank Hillary on her left [in a general election] and stop Bernie’s supporters from voting for her,” he said.

“Just mail the Goldman Sachs transcripts to every Bernie supporter. There’s your targeted mail program right there." 

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/279072-gop-operatives-on-the-prowl-for-secret-clinton-transcripts

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
10. I'd say
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

They are campaigning intelligently. This was always going to be an issue in the Fall. And if they think they can try and sway some Dems in the process, they can try all they want. Multiple OPs have been posted about Republicans coming over to vote for Hillary in the NeverTrump movement. It's all fair game.

But she did this. She could have been transparent. She wasn't and won't be. She has to own that.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
31. Absolutely. They know they won't win those votes.
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:04 PM
May 2016

The Democrats will try the same approach against trump.

The whole election is going to be about who can tear the other down the most. Both candidates will have a lot of powerful ammunition.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
2. It's only going to get worse for her.
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:53 PM
May 2016

She could have prevented this long ago. But her inability to use good judgment will forever haunt her.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
33. What I don't get is for someone supposedly so smart,
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:08 PM
May 2016

she keeps repeating the failed secrecy, stonewall, and deflect strategy. It always causes problems, sometimes much more than the hit she would take by just being open and honest.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
11. She won't and the GOP will either get them and release them or release
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

fraudulent ones knowing she will never release them.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
13. By not releasing them, she gives the impression of having something to hide.
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:12 PM
May 2016

We are told that she's a "smart" politician and one would think she wouldn't be stupid enough to say anything that would harm her ambitions.

Conclusion:

a) She isn't as smart as advertised.

b) She has something to hide.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
14. There's is definitely something to hide. Those documents may end up sinking her campaign.
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:19 PM
May 2016

You know shit's bad when you have HRC and DT as your only viable choices.

Root canal vs teeth pulled.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
18. If she had nothing to hide they would have been released.
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:29 PM
May 2016

People who were there stated she was speaking glowingly about Goldman Sachs.

What Clinton said in her paid speeches

Recalled one attendee: 'She sounded more like a Goldman Sachs managing director.'

“It was pretty glowing about us,” one person who watched the event said. “It’s so far from what she sounds like as a candidate now. It was like a rah-rah speech. She sounded more like a Goldman Sachs managing director.”

At another speech to Goldman and its big asset management clients in New York in 2013, Clinton spoke about how it wasn’t just the banks that caused the financial crisis and that it was worth looking at the landmark 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform law to see what was working and what wasn’t.

“It was mostly basic stuff, small talk, chit-chat,” one person who attended that speech said. “But in this environment, it could be made to look really bad.”

> snip

“It was pretty glowing about us,” one person who watched the event said. “It’s so far from what she sounds like as a candidate now. It was like a rah-rah speech. She sounded more like a Goldman Sachs managing director.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/clinton-speeches-218969#ixzz48wllxJjf 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
15. I think this is the very definition of an unforced error
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:19 PM
May 2016

She could have headed this off long ago, or avoided it altogether. It's a ridiculous controversy of her own making.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
17. It's amazing that nothing has leaked yet...turning into a very smart move for Hillary to keep them
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:21 PM
May 2016

to herself as long as possible. If I was advising her, I would wait until she is the official nominee, then use the transcripts to leverage release of Trumps tax returns. She can then release anything she wants, since apparently no one has another copy.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
19. Not if they wait until October or September.
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:32 PM
May 2016

“I won’t say it won’t come out at some point. It’s like a bomb that’s going to go off in the general election.” 

Secret video of the Goldman speeches is a tantalizing prospect for Republicans, as they know from experience how damaging such material can be. Their last presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, was badly damaged by a secretly taped video released in 2012 where he said “47 percent” of voters would vote for President Obama because they are “dependent upon government.” 

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
20. It wouldn't be secret video. They've already interviewed Goldman employees who reported
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:38 PM
May 2016

people actively filming her speech on their phones. The same people also could remember no specifics. It was on CNN back the fall, if you want to search. The people in the segment said that none of them had a tape, but that they thought it might be out there. One person said it was a boring speech, so wouldn't be surprised if people just deleted it in the ensuing years. Hopefully it will come out, but after Hillary is able to use them to get something out of Trump. She is smart enough not to say anything that could potentially be used against her. The Sanders folks are the first to point out that she has been running for president for many, many years.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
28. You seem naive as to the realities of politics
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:02 PM
May 2016

NEVER provide fodder to your enemies, even if it's as milquetoast as can be imagined.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
34. You are providing more fodder by keeping the wound open.
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:15 PM
May 2016

It really depends on the amount of damage early release will cause you versus the long term drag of the appearance you are hiding something serious.

The good thing about early disclosure is you have time to rebuild your position. If forced to disclose something negative late, or external sources disclose it, you have no time to recover and the public's view that you were being deceptive is confirmed. That is the worst situation.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
23. K&R Excellent commentary by liberal analyst Seth Abramson on a pertinent subject.
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:57 PM
May 2016

I hope the thread title with the dreaded word "GOP" isn't keeping people from recommending this OP.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
29. Yes, thanks
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:03 PM
May 2016

Complain about the MSM propelling propaganda, shove it down our throats on our little island. Nice job.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
30. wow...didn't see that coming. I'm shocked
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:04 PM
May 2016


But hey...I can't tell how predictable it is that you of all all people would post a GOP hit piece on Hillary on a Dem site.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
35. Weak. Her and Bill made a hell of a lot more than a million.
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:18 PM
May 2016

I still wonder if it's just part of a planned whitewash.
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