2016 Postmortem

2016-05-16T18:53:49+00:00

It's quite simple, and every credible news story about the event that wasn't written by one of the very Bernie fans throwing chairs points to the same set of facts. Hillary had more votes, and got more delegates. Which makes sense, since after all she got more votes in the Nevada caucus. The Bernie people there thought they were going to be able to twist or even alter the rules in order to reverse the vote result, but they didn't get away with it. They actually might have gotten away with it, because at the county conventions a number of Hillary delegates didn't show up, shifting the numbers undemocratically towards Bernie. But then at the state convention, the opposite happened, and some of the Bernie delegates there were stupid enough to have unregistered as Democrats in order to spite the DNC, which made them ineligible to participate. So the numbers shifted back towards Hillary, and in the end fairly reflected the actual voters who showed up to caucus. But, there are few things that Bernie supporters hate as much as democracy, so they couldn't let the result stand. The problem is, the result was obtained in accordance with the rules, so there wasn't much they could do. So they tried booing and disrupting. Didn't work. Then they started throwing chairs. Didn't work either. Finally they tried refusing to leave and then rioting into the night. Didn't work either. Eventually the casino had to throw them out because they stuck around hours later than the NV Dem Party had the conference room booked. And good for the casino, you can't run a business if you let a bunch of thugs go around throwing chairs. And, of course, at the end of it all, Bernie supporters try to blame their own despicable acts on the Hillary campaign.

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Thank you for correcting the record! n/t QC May 2016 #1

LMAO... One Black Sheep May 2016 #3

Do you have a source/link for "chairs"? nemo137 May 2016 #2

Jon Ralston reported it. So did the AP. YouDig May 2016 #5

Ralston was wrong on several occasions in his reporting. Fawke Em May 2016 #8

Multiple reports are unlikely to be wrong. And Ralston is a very good reporter, probably YouDig May 2016 #14

"trusted political reporter in Nevada" is the equivalent of .... Exilednight May 2016 #19

This event took place in Nevada, so the reporters there were Nevadan. YouDig May 2016 #20

that doesn't mean they should be held as trustworthy reporters. Exilednight May 2016 #27

There is absolutely no proof anyone threw chairs. Fawke Em May 2016 #4

There are multiple independent reports from credible sources. YouDig May 2016 #7

And yet nothing on video. Luminous Animal May 2016 #11

Ralston is not a credible source. Fawke Em May 2016 #12

Ralston is very credible, and he's backed by other credible sources. YouDig May 2016 #24

No libodem May 2016 #6

Why do you hate democracy? n/t LoverOfLiberty May 2016 #9

. libodem May 2016 #13

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #17

There were no riots. The entire caucus in on film. You can make your case without lying, you know. Luminous Animal May 2016 #10

Lying pays better. n/t QC May 2016 #15

I guess you may not consider chair throwing to be rioting. YouDig May 2016 #16

Brockbot says what? BillZBubb May 2016 #18

Hours and hours of video available yet zero evidence of a riot. Luminous Animal May 2016 #21

Multiple independent credible reports. AP, WaPo, etc. YouDig May 2016 #22

Exactly! B Calm May 2016 #23

Now her supporters just make up lies out of whole cloth AgingAmerican May 2016 #25

It was all reported by AP, Washington Post, and others. The lying is all on the Bernie side. YouDig May 2016 #26

QC

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1. Thank you for correcting the record! n/t

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Mon May 16, 2016, 02:54 PM

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One Black Sheep

(458 posts)

3. LMAO...

Reply to QC (Reply #1)

Mon May 16, 2016, 02:56 PM

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5 cents a word!

nemo137

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2. Do you have a source/link for "chairs"?

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Mon May 16, 2016, 02:55 PM

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I've seen credible reports of water bottles, but not chairs.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)

5. Jon Ralston reported it. So did the AP.

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Mon May 16, 2016, 02:57 PM

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https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/731908755990798336
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2016-05-15-US--DEM%202016-Nevada/id-c3b7ab9ad09a47ecae4ac614538a4915

Fawke Em

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8. Ralston was wrong on several occasions in his reporting.

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Mon May 16, 2016, 02:58 PM

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He reported that the crowd booed Nina Turner and Lucy Flores. She tweeted later that was not the case.

Ralston isn't a very good reporter.

YouDig

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14. Multiple reports are unlikely to be wrong. And Ralston is a very good reporter, probably

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Mon May 16, 2016, 03:01 PM

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the most trusted political reporter in Nevada.

Exilednight

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19. "trusted political reporter in Nevada" is the equivalent of ....

Reply to YouDig (Reply #14)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:04 PM

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"Military intelligence".

Both are oxymorons.

YouDig

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20. This event took place in Nevada, so the reporters there were Nevadan.

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Mon May 16, 2016, 03:05 PM

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Exilednight

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27. that doesn't mean they should be held as trustworthy reporters.

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Mon May 16, 2016, 03:11 PM

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Jumping a hurdle set to the heighth of a one foot limbo bar is not something to be proud of.

Fawke Em

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4. There is absolutely no proof anyone threw chairs.

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Mon May 16, 2016, 02:57 PM

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I've seen video of Roberta Lange giving Roberts Rules of Order the bum rush, but no videos of anyone throwing chairs.

Where's the video?

YouDig

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7. There are multiple independent reports from credible sources.

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Mon May 16, 2016, 02:58 PM

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Luminous Animal

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11. And yet nothing on video.

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Mon May 16, 2016, 02:59 PM

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Fawke Em

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12. Ralston is not a credible source.

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Mon May 16, 2016, 02:59 PM

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He was wrong in his reporting several times that night and was corrected by the very people he was wrong about.

YouDig

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24. Ralston is very credible, and he's backed by other credible sources.

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Mon May 16, 2016, 03:08 PM

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libodem

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6. No

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Mon May 16, 2016, 02:57 PM

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Because they were cheated, if they did throw chairs. This may be alleged.

And robbed of their vote by a Dictatorship.

LoverOfLiberty

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9. Why do you hate democracy? n/t

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libodem

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13. .

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Luminous Animal

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10. There were no riots. The entire caucus in on film. You can make your case without lying, you know.

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QC

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15. Lying pays better. n/t

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YouDig

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16. I guess you may not consider chair throwing to be rioting.

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BillZBubb

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18. Brockbot says what?

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Mon May 16, 2016, 03:02 PM

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Luminous Animal

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21. Hours and hours of video available yet zero evidence of a riot.

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YouDig

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22. Multiple independent credible reports. AP, WaPo, etc.

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Mon May 16, 2016, 03:07 PM

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B Calm

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23. Exactly!

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Mon May 16, 2016, 03:07 PM

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AgingAmerican

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25. Now her supporters just make up lies out of whole cloth

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Mon May 16, 2016, 03:09 PM

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Cognitive dissonance does fickle things to people

YouDig

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26. It was all reported by AP, Washington Post, and others. The lying is all on the Bernie side.

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Mon May 16, 2016, 03:10 PM

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