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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Tue May 10, 2016, 01:53 PM May 2016

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Yes Yes Yes!!!!!! Faux pas May 2016 #1
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I figured that's what you were doing. Faux pas May 2016 #8
suspending is not good enough grasswire May 2016 #2
Can you imagine if one of Bernie's staffers had submitted truedelphi May 2016 #56
Step down? You do know she doesn't hold office, right? CrowCityDem May 2016 #59
No, it would not serve the Democratic Party better if Secretary Clinton stepped aside SFnomad May 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2016 #6
Yawn ... BS is toast ... but insead you'd rather #FeelTheDelusion n/t SFnomad May 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2016 #11
If the BS supporters are so "motivated", then why is BS 3+ million voters less than SFnomad May 2016 #16
which candidate do Democrats want DrDan May 2016 #15
The only imposters are Dems who Jekyl & Hyde as Republicans pinebox May 2016 #31
It's not hard at all - that's why it SHOULD be self evident but it is not here. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #37
There Is a Moderate Republican in This Race, But She’s Running as a Democrat Go Vols May 2016 #60
Welcome back. arcane1 May 2016 #55
From what? pinebox May 2016 #69
Every day that goes by, the harder the transition is. She should have pulled out last March leveymg May 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2016 #7
A lot of cushy jobs for campaign staff and numenklatura also on the line. leveymg May 2016 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2016 #20
They follow the money in politics. She has it. leveymg May 2016 #24
Leave now before the ghost of FDR comes to haunt us all! Attorney in Texas May 2016 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2016 #13
Yes FDR would recognize the party; it just wasn't called the "Democratic" party in FDR's day Attorney in Texas May 2016 #22
LOL!!!!! zappaman May 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2016 #14
No way Demsrule86 May 2016 #17
I disagree. What's immoral for HRC supporters to demand, is immoral for us too. lagomorph777 May 2016 #19
See my reply #3 for my response. eom guillaumeb May 2016 #21
Bernie has no legal problems. Bernie doesn't even have any ethical problems. w4rma May 2016 #23
Where are the tax returns for Jane and Bernie? That's standard these days. Why so coy? Hekate May 2016 #27
Hillary is under multiple FBI criminal investigations w4rma May 2016 #28
CNN Reports FBI Has Found ‘No Criminal Wrongdoing’ in Hillary Clinton Email ‘Investigation’ Hekate May 2016 #65
You want to harp on tax returns .... pinebox May 2016 #32
Release of tax returns is not SOP for ALL candidates, not a special rule just for Bernie Hekate May 2016 #66
Bernie released his recent tax returns pinebox May 2016 #67
Just keep spinning. It's been SOP for nearly 50 years Hekate May 2016 #70
The only spin here is from you pinebox May 2016 #71
Those voters react so negatively that they keep voting for her in greater numbers than anyone else Hekate May 2016 #25
The winning candidate doesn't concede. The losing candidate does. Even Lyin' Ted is that smart. Trust Buster May 2016 #26
How long is this sexism going to stand in the DU? Tarc May 2016 #29
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A male candidate with an insurmountale delegate lead would not be asked to "step aside" Tarc May 2016 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2016 #43
The fact that you are asking the female frontrunner to step down, especially Tarc May 2016 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2016 #46
Um, Hillary was not the frontrunner in 2008, at any time Tarc May 2016 #68
In another topic, someone said Hillary will "go down", completely oblivious to how it sounds. CrowCityDem May 2016 #61
You guys really are delusional MirrorAshes May 2016 #30
We lost? Where's Hillary's victory speech? pinebox May 2016 #34
See my response #3 guillaumeb May 2016 #39
He has her RIGHT where he wants her! NuclearDem May 2016 #33
Feel... MrWendel May 2016 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2016 #41
Flyin MrWendel May 2016 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2016 #51
nah nah, you did it! Dem2 May 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2016 #42
what's this. "for the good of the party" ... for the good of mankind and the planet as a whole pdsimdars May 2016 #45
I'm invoking Poe's Law here. Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2016 #48
Yes, but Mitt Romney won his party's nomination. Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2016 #57
how negatively the voters react? William769 May 2016 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2016 #53
Nice deflection. Just saying. William769 May 2016 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2016 #58
Show me the difference between then and now in delegate counts and we'll talk. William769 May 2016 #64
She's going to bury trump in November... dubyadiprecession May 2016 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2016 #63

Faux pas

(14,687 posts)
1. Yes Yes Yes!!!!!!
Tue May 10, 2016, 01:54 PM
May 2016

Response to Faux pas (Reply #1)

Faux pas

(14,687 posts)
8. I figured that's what you were doing.
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:08 PM
May 2016

MM is one of the most reasonable hrc supporters.

BERN BABY BERN!

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
2. suspending is not good enough
Tue May 10, 2016, 01:56 PM
May 2016

She needs to step down.

nt

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
56. Can you imagine if one of Bernie's staffers had submitted
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:50 PM
May 2016

through hacking the insertion of child pornography on Clinton's supporters' websites?

We would never hear the end of it! Especially if the people behind the hack were holding positions' in Bernie's organization similar to the position that Brock holds.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
59. Step down? You do know she doesn't hold office, right?
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:55 PM
May 2016
 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
4. No, it would not serve the Democratic Party better if Secretary Clinton stepped aside
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:00 PM
May 2016

and let an imposter win the nomination.

Response to SFnomad (Reply #4)

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
9. Yawn ... BS is toast ... but insead you'd rather #FeelTheDelusion n/t
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:10 PM
May 2016

Response to SFnomad (Reply #9)

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
16. If the BS supporters are so "motivated", then why is BS 3+ million voters less than
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:16 PM
May 2016

Secretary Clinton?

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
15. which candidate do Democrats want
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:16 PM
May 2016
 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
31. The only imposters are Dems who Jekyl & Hyde as Republicans
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:52 PM
May 2016

And that sure isn't Bernie.

Ask yourself, who's more of a Democrat. The guy who was an indy & has Dem principles like FDR or the gal who wears a Dem label but is closer to Bob Dole & courts Bush donors?

It's not hard.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
37. It's not hard at all - that's why it SHOULD be self evident but it is not here.
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:46 PM
May 2016

All the old posters with 10k+ or more posts clamoring to her is beyond me.

Glad their are posters like yourself still around.


Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
60. There Is a Moderate Republican in This Race, But She’s Running as a Democrat
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:55 PM
May 2016
Who is the real Democrat — Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton?

from 1932-1976, the Democratic Party as a whole was far more progressive. The issues and approaches advocated today by Bernie Sanders were considered mainstream Democratic ideas by Franklin D. Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, and Lyndon Johnson, and even many moderate Republicans. It was common to support strict financial regulation, liberal immigration, social services for the poor, and progressive tax policies.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/there-is-a-moderate-republican-in-this-race_b_9704194.html
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
55. Welcome back.
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:50 PM
May 2016
 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
69. From what?
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:15 PM
May 2016

I've been here all along.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
5. Every day that goes by, the harder the transition is. She should have pulled out last March
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:04 PM
May 2016

when the basic features of her violation of information security laws and evasion of FOIA law first became publicly apparent.

Response to leveymg (Reply #5)

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
18. A lot of cushy jobs for campaign staff and numenklatura also on the line.
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:17 PM
May 2016

Many careers are so firmly attached to the Clinton machine, for many years, that there would be no future without her.

She did this to them. No way out but down.

Response to leveymg (Reply #18)

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
24. They follow the money in politics. She has it.
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:38 PM
May 2016

The rest of us don't, and she's not going to give it away on her own volition.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
10. Leave now before the ghost of FDR comes to haunt us all!
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:11 PM
May 2016

Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #10)

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
22. Yes FDR would recognize the party; it just wasn't called the "Democratic" party in FDR's day
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:22 PM
May 2016

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
12. LOL!!!!!
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:13 PM
May 2016

Keep clicking those heels!

Response to zappaman (Reply #12)

Demsrule86

(68,632 posts)
17. No way
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:16 PM
May 2016


lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
19. I disagree. What's immoral for HRC supporters to demand, is immoral for us too.
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

Besides, we need to clearly demonstrate that there is still a very sizable Democratic wing in the Democratic Party.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
21. See my reply #3 for my response. eom
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:20 PM
May 2016
 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
23. Bernie has no legal problems. Bernie doesn't even have any ethical problems.
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

Hillary is looking at FBI investigations, that would definitely result in convictions for most folks. And then more FBI investigations and probably impeachment, if elected.

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
27. Where are the tax returns for Jane and Bernie? That's standard these days. Why so coy?
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:43 PM
May 2016

Is there something they don't want us to see, or is it incompetence? We need to know.

But thanks for making stuff up about Hillary Clinton's life.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
28. Hillary is under multiple FBI criminal investigations
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:46 PM
May 2016

I know, generally, what I'll find if Hillary's well-compensated speeches to Wall Street are made public, though.

What do you think you'll find when you get to see the Sanders family personal tax returns? Nothing.

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
65. CNN Reports FBI Has Found ‘No Criminal Wrongdoing’ in Hillary Clinton Email ‘Investigation’
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:52 PM
May 2016
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-reports-fbi-has-found-no-criminal-wrongdoing-in-hillary-clinton-email-investigation/
CNN Reports FBI Has Found ‘No Criminal Wrongdoing’ in Hillary Clinton Email ‘Investigation’

For all those Hillary Clinton opponents who have been hoping against hope that the likely Democratic presidential nominee will be indicted as a result of the FBI review of Hillary’s email server, CNN has some bad news. According to CNN correspondent Pamela Brown, the FBI is close to wrapping up the “investigation,” and thus far have found “no criminal wrongdoing”:

The interviews, we’re told, are focused on whether classified information was mishandled, and the security of the server. So far officials tell us, no, there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing at this point in the investigation, but, again, the investigation is not over.

It sounds like they’re really just waiting for Hillary Clinton to be interviewed so they can wrap things up, but if Republicans and Bernie Sanders and the media are counting on Hillary Clinton to suddenly crack under questioning, they haven’t been paying attention.
 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
32. You want to harp on tax returns ....
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:56 PM
May 2016

While Hillary won't release her transcrits & is under an FBI investigation, whose foundation benefitted from weapons deals when she was SOS & gaffes with "off the resevation", "Reagan & AIDS" & "CP time"?

Puhleeeeze.

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
66. Release of tax returns is not SOP for ALL candidates, not a special rule just for Bernie
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:53 PM
May 2016
 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
67. Bernie released his recent tax returns
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:10 PM
May 2016

And you want to know something? America doesn't really give a crap about it when many Americans are struggling to make rent & feed their kids.

Hillary can't even support a living wage. The people who build bridges would be sleeping under them under a Hillary presidency, just ask her interns who weren't paid, unlike Bernie who paid his. Maybe Hillary should reach into her speaking fee wallet & do the right thing but that won't happen. We know how the Clinton’s are. It's all about the mighty buck.

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
70. Just keep spinning. It's been SOP for nearly 50 years
Tue May 10, 2016, 07:02 PM
May 2016
http://www.efile.com/1040-federal-income-tax-forms-for-every-tax-year-and-tax-return-history/

The practice of releasing tax returns when running for office didn't become commonplace until the late 1960's, which is also when presidential candidates, and not just presidents, began to routinely release their income tax returns to the public. In the runup to the 1968 presidential election, George Romney, a governor of Michigan at the time, released 12 years of his tax returns from 1955-1966 after being pressed on the topic by reporters. This set the precedent for presidential candidates to release their tax returns and almost every president from Nixon onward has made their tax returns public. The only exception was Gerald Ford, who kept his tax returns private.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article72097232.html
Hillary Clinton only presidential candidate to release full tax returns

As millions of Americans scramble to file their tax returns by Monday’s deadline, many are wondering what’s in the private tax returns of this year’s presidential candidates.
That’s an open question in the case of candidates Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, neither of whom have disclosed years of tax returns.


Sanders released his 2014 tax return late Friday. It showed that he and his wife, Jane, earned $205,271 that year, largely from his $174,000 Senate salary and the Social Security benefits they both receive.
>snip<
Still, only Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton has fully disclosed years worth of returns. Sanders has released an abbreviated version of his taxes for a single year. Trump hasn’t released anything, while his Republican challengers, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and Ohio Gov. John Kasich, have made only partial tax information public.

All told, the 2016 presidential campaign has been an abysmal one so far for tax transparency, according to tax experts and government watchdog groups.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
71. The only spin here is from you
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:09 AM
May 2016

Tell us, how the hell a tax return helps the vet sleeing under the bridge?

Issues matter. American voters don't give a crap about tax returns. You can pivot all you want but your candidate is weak sauce in a general. In an era of change, Hillary is a stagnant dinosaur.

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
25. Those voters react so negatively that they keep voting for her in greater numbers than anyone else
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:40 PM
May 2016

Mercy, clutch those pearls harder and I'll shove the fainting couch closer for you.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
26. The winning candidate doesn't concede. The losing candidate does. Even Lyin' Ted is that smart.
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:42 PM
May 2016

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
29. How long is this sexism going to stand in the DU?
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:48 PM
May 2016

Not for much longer, hopefully...

Response to Tarc (Reply #29)

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
40. A male candidate with an insurmountale delegate lead would not be asked to "step aside"
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:48 PM
May 2016

Sorry you cannot see that.

Response to Tarc (Reply #40)

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
44. The fact that you are asking the female frontrunner to step down, especially
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:58 PM
May 2016

as Sanders has no viable chance at overtaking her lead, leaves us with no other alternative, bro.

Response to Tarc (Reply #44)

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
68. Um, Hillary was not the frontrunner in 2008, at any time
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:13 PM
May 2016

You're demanding that the person far and away in first place, and the eventual nominee, to step down.

Sexism. No other reason.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
61. In another topic, someone said Hillary will "go down", completely oblivious to how it sounds.
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:55 PM
May 2016

MirrorAshes

(1,262 posts)
30. You guys really are delusional
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:49 PM
May 2016

I'm sorry you lost, but this is how it works.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
34. We lost? Where's Hillary's victory speech?
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:58 PM
May 2016

If Hillary won, why is she wasting millions on ads in upcoming primary states?

#derp.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
39. See my response #3
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:48 PM
May 2016
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
33. He has her RIGHT where he wants her!
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:58 PM
May 2016

MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
35. Feel...
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:43 PM
May 2016

the Alcohol.

Response to MrWendel (Reply #35)

MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
49. Flyin
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:45 PM
May 2016

out the window.

Response to MrWendel (Reply #49)

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
36. nah nah, you did it!
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:45 PM
May 2016

pass the pacifier.

Response to Dem2 (Reply #36)

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
45. what's this. "for the good of the party" ... for the good of mankind and the planet as a whole
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:16 PM
May 2016

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,189 posts)
47. I'm invoking Poe's Law here.
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:34 PM
May 2016

"Yes, we know you're leading in the primaries, and that's why you need to drop out!"

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #47)

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,189 posts)
52. Yes, but Mitt Romney won his party's nomination.
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:48 PM
May 2016

What you're saying is like saying Romney should have suspended and let Rick Santorum have the nomination.

It doesn't make any sense.

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #52)

William769

(55,147 posts)
50. how negatively the voters react?
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:45 PM
May 2016

Well the voters have a funny way of showing that since Hillary is beating Sanders with the popular vote by millions. You might want to rethink what you just said. Just saying.

Response to William769 (Reply #50)

William769

(55,147 posts)
54. Nice deflection. Just saying.
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:50 PM
May 2016

Response to William769 (Reply #54)

William769

(55,147 posts)
64. Show me the difference between then and now in delegate counts and we'll talk.
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:28 PM
May 2016

dubyadiprecession

(5,720 posts)
62. She's going to bury trump in November...
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:07 PM
May 2016

BS is going back to the senate.

Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #62)

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