2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe awesome news from Nate about the Senate
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/First there is the forecast about the Senate as a whole. 52.6 seats for us, 47.5 for them (we can assume rounding is why we have an extra 1/10 of a seat). If you had offered us a one seat loss or a no seat loss at the beginning of this election most of us would have leaped for joy at the thought. But, as Ginsu says, there's more. We have over 95% chances of seeing Warren elected, Brown reelected, over 90% chance Allen losing (again), and over 85% chances of Baldwin (first gay) , Murphy (big upgrade from Lieberman) winning and McCaskle (Akin losing) winning.
We could come out of this election with a better Senate than we have now. Let me repeat that, we could, and probably will, come out with a better Senate than we had coming in. Warren will be a vast improvement over Brown. Murphy will be a vast improvement over Lieberman. Baldwin will be a vast improvement of Kohl. King will be a decent improvement over Snowe. Add in some long shots and it could be even better. Kyl replaced by a Democrat (admittedly a very conservative one), Nelson replaced by Kerrey, Ensign replaced by a Democrat. In return, we have likely lost Tester and Conrad to GOP seats.
This is nothing short of amazing news.
TexasTowelie
(112,168 posts)A definite swing to the right.
Vote for Paul Sadler!
and Fischer for Nelson would be a decidedly worse trade. but over all this is a miracle given what most people thought would happen.
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)And from what I can tell, Cruz is a crook, not a nutbag. He trots out all the wingnutty stuff like Agenda 21 to rile up the base, but I think he'll land to the left of DeMint and the right of moderate Republicans. Dewhurst, his Republican opponent, is stumping for him now.
Of course we need to sink the guy's political career. That goes without saying.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)Are not going to be seen as cute as they might have been. He'll be marginalized.
JohnnyBoots
(2,969 posts)So at least he can never be POTUS.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)But the issue about someone's birthplace determining their eligibility to be President is wrong and should be changed for the good of all.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)I know it's a long shot, but I feel we have a shot!
TroyD
(4,551 posts)1. Carmona is still the underdog to beat Flake. I've been rooting for Carmona for a while as some may know, but he's still down a point or two in the average of the polls, and Nate still shows him losing. What Carmona needs is for a larger than expected Latino vote to put him over the top. If the regular polls are underestimating that, he can win.
2. Jon Tester is also an underdog and also appears to be a point or two down, and Obama is also polling well below where he did in 2008 in Montana. Nate Silver currently shows Tester losing. Still, it's not over yet.
3. It looks like the Texas seat was never in play, unfortunately. Lloyd Bentsen will remain the last Democratic Senator from Texas for now. I was hoping that the Democratic nominee would be that cute young guy that ran for the nomination earlier this year. He seemed much more enthusiastic.
4. I'm still a bit annoyed at Kent Conrad for retiring. If he hadn't retired this year the North Dakota Senate seat would still be safe. I felt his decision to retire was premature. I wish he had waited until the next cycle. Heitkamp has made up some ground lately, but as with the previous seats, Nate Silver shows her losing at the moment.
5. It looks like it may be tough for Berkley to win the Ensign/Heller seat. The race is close, but she will need a good number from Obama to get enough crossover support to win. Nate shows her losing right now, but Jon Ralston says it could be a long night before we know for sure.
6. The odds look very good for Warren, pretty solid for McCaskill and decent for Baldwin. Baldwin is the one I am perhaps most nervous about of these 3.
7. The question mark is also still there over the Lugar/Mourdock seat in Indiana. Nate's model still shows Mourdock winning, but it doesn't include the 2 recent internal Democratic and Republican polls. The Dem poll shows Donnelly (+7) and the Rep poll shows Donnelly & Mourdock Tied. We haven't really seen much Independent polling out of Indiana since the rape comments. Will there be enough women in Indiana willing to abandon Mourdock? That would be nice to see.
sweetloukillbot
(11,023 posts)Rstrstx
(1,399 posts)Bob Kreuger, but he didn't last long (Lloyd was the last elected senator). I think I know the guy you're talking about this year, but isn't he the one who was in charge of Abu Ghraib for a while? That's pretty heavy baggage. Still, I think if the Democrats had known Dewhurst was going to lose the Republican primary they would have tried harder to field a stronger candidate. Cruz should be vulnerable in his reelection bid, unfortunately that won't be until 2018.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)...was Lloyd Bentsen, back in 1988 (he ran for both vice-president and for his Senate seat that year).
TroyD
(4,551 posts)cojoel
(957 posts)Overflow crowd. We can only hope...
fujiyama
(15,185 posts)simply due to the right shift in MO and the number of Romney voters in that state. It's the same reason I think we'll lose IN. But I think we'll take MO and WI. MA is looking good. CT is looking better than a few weeks ago.
I'm disappointed in MT. NE was always a long shot.
This isn't '08. It'll be much tougher to take Senate seats in dark red territory. That said, I think the numbers are looking decent!
TroyD
(4,551 posts)For me it is the reverse.
I think McCaskill is likely to win by a larger margin than Baldwin. For me a lot of that is based on watching the Senate polls for these races for the past couple of months and looking at Nate's model as well. Akin has not really led in a proper Independent poll since the legitimate rape controversy this Summer. The only polls I've seen him lead in are Republican-leaning like Wenzel. Even Mason-Dixon couldn't get him into a lead in its poll last week. McCaskill has led in basically every major poll for the past 2 or 3 months, and Nate Silver gives her about a 90% chance of winning.
For Baldwin the situation has been more up and down. Over the Summer it was Thompson in the lead most of the time and her chances didn't look too good. Then around the time of the DNC she moved ahead of him and was ahead in most of the polls for several weeks. In the past week or so Thompson has been ahead in a couple of polls and she has been ahead in a couple of polls. So the numbers have been much more up and down and there's been more back and forth trading of the lead. Still, Nate gives Baldiwn a pretty good chance of winning - around 82% I think, but lower than McCaskill.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 31, 2012, 04:27 AM - Edit history (1)
.....the audience is going to go nuts....
Cha
(297,211 posts)BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)We'll pick up Maine and Massachusetts, hold Virginia, Missouri, and Wisconsin, but lose North Dakota, Nebraska, and Montana.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)sweetloukillbot
(11,023 posts)BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)TroyD
(4,551 posts)Anyone else not seeing the list of polls underneath the Senate model anymore?