An account from a Hillary supporter as to what happened at the ELAC rally

[Gomez163]

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[grossproffit]

1. Disgraceful and yet not surprising. Thank God no one was killed.

[Demsrule86]

20. Terrible behavior indeed.

Do they think threatening people will make them vote for Bernie?

[Renew Deal]

31. The problem with this story is that it's believable

[frylock]

63. Oh. Emm. Gee.

Really?!

[stonecutter357]

77. +1000

[Matt_in_STL]

2. Sweet, an anonymous "friend of a friend" anecdote

And she brought an 18-month old to a political rally as well. Thank goodness they had the foresight for that to make their story that much more powerful.

[1StrongBlackMan]

7. Don't be a jerk.

[Matt_in_STL]

9. Then don't post unsourced, anecdotes told through a game of telephone

Otherwise, it is fair game to call the honesty into question.

[1StrongBlackMan]

14. Yeah ... Okay ...

There are plenty of someone heard someone say something horrible about Sanders' supporters that you don't require sourcing.

[Matt_in_STL]

15. Not from me, so I reserve my right to call bullshit.

[Human101948]

81. These stories are written in the bullpen at Correct the Record...

and the Hillary fans eat them up. Yet quote one "top officials say" story that attacks Hillary and they are all about questioning the source.

[Demsrule86]

23. I have brought kids to political rallies

People have done it for years...where do you suppose all those pictures of pols kissing babies came from...only Trump and Bernie supporter have behaved badly as far as I can tell. Seriously shameful...none of your excuses will work.

[Matt_in_STL]

26. So, let's look at this

She went and grabbed her grandchild (not mentioned in the story until necessary to make a point) to take him to a political rally at the last minute, on Mother's Day. They drove the 18-month old child two hours to the rally, waited however long it takes to get in, and then somehow ended up behind Hillary, where I am sure we would have noted an 18-month old child during her speech. See one there?

Nope. Calling bullshit on this.

[Silver_Witch]

76. SNAP! SCORE!

[snot]

48. Um, only Hillary supporters have claimed Bernie supporters behaved badly.

If it happened, I and Bernie and every Bernie supporter I know are deeply saddened by it.

But the closest I've seen to evidence of it is photos by Hillary supporters claiming they were heckled by Bernie supporters – without any sign that they actually talked to the hecklers to find out who they supported or etc.

Bernie does not and would not approve any kind of heckling or harassment; and sorry to say, if you'd actually paid any attention to who he really is or what he'd done, you'd know that.

And I've been deeply involved in many pro-Bernie efforts; and I've never encountered anyone who seemed likely to heckle anyone in the way claimed.

Given the lack of integrity shown by the whole system so far, I hope you can't blame me for skepticism re- who might have hired those hecklers? (Cf. the Blackboxers who tried to discredit Occupy.)

The media are firmly behind Hillary; they've had every opportunity to document bad behavior by supposed "berniebros" if it actually existed; they haven't.

I frankly find it hard to believe it's more than a smear.

If that's what you're up to, no one can stop it; we can only hope voters see through it.

I'm not saying Hillary personally is engineering this, but.

Seriously, this is not what Bernie is or ever was about.

[Iliyah]

3. No need to be nasty.

And children were there and they scared them.

[azurnoir]

4. complete bullpuckey from an anonymous source

guess photo oping the same guy with the liar liar liar sign in different poses became too obvious

[Bobbie Jo]

18. No, I totally believe it

based on what I have seen from some of them up to this point.

Ugly...

[azurnoir]

65. oh I'm sure you want us to believe

but I do not based on what I've seen of this so called incident so far

[Bobbie Jo]

66. "us?"

No, I was actually responding to you

It really doesn't matter if "the group" isn't buying it. In fact, that doesn't surprise me in the slightest. All I'm saying is that it fits with the pattern that I've seen repeated over and over since last August, right up to the inevitable denial that follows when the lashing out behavior is questioned.

I mean there have even been numerous articles written on the subject. Yes, it has become a real thing.

As long as we're using inclusive language here, "we've" been watching this show for months.

[Henhouse]

5. That is consist ant with other reports I've read and videos I've seen.nt

[azurnoir]

8. you mean the photos of the same skin head looking guy over and over again? guess his career as a

photo op model was short lived

[notadmblnd]

6. What? No pics of those horrible Sander's supporters with their pitchforks and foaming at the mouth?

Not a bit surprised Hillary tossed her, sweet, pure, innocent supporters to those mean, awful, horrible, foaming at the mouth Sander's wolves once she was done with them.

Gotta love that Hilly, she looks out for all her victims- er supporters.

[intheflow]

83. Apparently Clinton supporters don't carry cell phones.

And no one thought to bring a camera to the rally. Sounds legit.

[Matt_in_STL]

12. The only thing missing here is that they landed at the rally under sniper fire

[Silver_Witch]

80. Exactly

Because that is what scared them. Not the message the color! How dare those people come near their rally!!!

[Henhouse]

11. I'll re post this link from Big Tree...Consider it a pallet cleanser

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1918847

Joyful and happy democrats at ELAC.....

[JaneyVee]

16. Winning hearts and minds.

[CentralCoaster]

17. +/- Eighth Grade level Creative Writing assignment. I would give it a C-.

That girl who was crying and shaking, that was a good bit of detail.

It true, then I think it was a bad idea to drag a child to an event like that unless they are really well prepared.

But to be honest, I don't think the author of that piece was even there.

[ucrdem]

22. There's ample documentation of what occurred, including a GDP pro-Bernie thread with 62 recs.

[catnhatnh]

51. Ample documentation

Would be video and reports by an established unbiased journalist not a pile of bullshit that you find ample because it is a really large pile of bullshit.

[Demsrule86]

24. Just so you know Hill won many open primaries

including Ohio...might want to be more accurate.

[ucrdem]

19. What's irritating is that it reinforces all the prejudices people have about East LA.

What's also irritating is that Sanders would condone this -- and make no mistake, he condoned it on Rachel Maddow's show the next day, even though she gave him every opportunity to condemn it -- when he knows he has no path to winning the nomination. It looks like pure sour grapes and I'm not sure it isn't. But it was an utterly lousy way to wreck a nice event.

[Armstead]

29. He supported the right to protest...I hope to hell Clinton is not opposed to that

[ucrdem]

32. He says the outside protests are "exactly appropriate" and refuses to discourage any of it.

Disrupting on the inside he says he doesn't support, but he never tells anyone to knock any of it off and neither do his supporters so yes he's responsible for what they're doing in his name.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/sanders-condemns-disruptions-ok-with-protest-681128003895

[Armstead]

35. Okay we'll see what happens during the General election

Every time someone misbehaves, she is personally responsible.

[ucrdem]

38. If anyone from the Clinton campaign did or allowed this I have no doubt she would cut them loose

immediately and roundly condemn it:

[Armstead]

39. About this protest

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1925502


http://egpnews.com/2016/05/hillary-clinton-coming-to-elac-amid-protest-by-latino-students/

Hillary Clinton Coming to ELAC Amid Protest by Latino Students
Presidential candidate will also attend fundraisers for her campaign.
By City News Service

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is scheduled to speak today at East Los Angeles College amid a planned protest by Latino students and community groups and to raise funds for her campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Clinton will discuss her plans to raise incomes for families, break down the barriers that hold Californians back, keep America safe and bring the country together, an aide said.


Members of Union del Barrio, MEXA of East Los Angeles College, LA Brown Berets and several other student and community-based organizations plan to march seven blocks in Monterrey Park from Belvedere Park to East Los Angeles College to protest what organizers call Clinton’s attacks on working-class communities of color and her 2002 vote as a senator in favor of the resolution authorizing military action against Iraq.

“This event is to let Hillary know that she is not welcomed in Los Angeles and to raise community awareness of what she really represents. We will let the community know that either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton would make terrible presidents,” said organizer Ron Gochez, referring to the real estate tycoon and television personality who is the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.

“This action is strictly to protest against Hillary Clinton and not in support of any party and/or candidates.” There was no response to an email sent Wednesday night to the Clinton campaign seeking comment.

[ucrdem]

40. Unfortunately it didn't turn out as planned. There were hundreds of Bernie supporters

and they made themselves all too conspicuous. For example in this video the guy holding the LIAR LIAR LIAR sign can be seen repeatedly shouting "Bernie" at a passerby starting at 6:46:

[Armstead]

43. Some of them were Bernie supporters....

People are not one-dimensional beings. They may have a presidential preference and also be a community activist.

To tar Sanders and his campaign with that is just disingenuous nonsense.

People are allowed to protest...even during elections.

There was a time at DU when that was widely accepted. I guess now we ascribe to the Bush "protestors are anti-American" philosophy now.

[okasha]

55. What I want to know is,

is the Free Hugs dude single? I have neices and nephews looking for Mr. Right....

[ucrdem]

56. LOL

I think he's going to be very busy for the next few months but maybe after November 8 . . .

[DrDan]

21. despicable behavior - and even worse, approved by Bernie himself

and defended by his supporters here

sure will be glad when this season is over and the sane folks can move on to the GE

[Armstead]

27. Please point me to where Bernie defended their bad behavior

Yes he said protest is a right of people (although not inside interruption).

I suppose you'd be happier if he'd said all protest should be outlawed?

Your faux outrage is simple political nonsense.

You going to complain in the General if some community groups who oppose Trump and support Clinton protest at his rallies?

You going to hold her accountable for every action by every individual?

Somehow i doubt it.

[DrDan]

68. no - not going to complain one bit about protesting

bullying, otoh, I will complain about. And that is exactly what this is.

[Armstead]

73. So show me where he told supoporters to go out and bully people

[DrDan]

74. that's different from what I said - but you know that

[Armstead]

75. What you said is not ambiguopus

despicable behavior - and even worse, approved by Bernie himself

[DrDan]

78. approved - not encouraged

[DrDan]

79. how about "condoned" - is that ok?

[Andy823]

30. +1,000,000 nt

[pat_k]

61. When Bush came to Westfield NJ...

...where I lived at the time, we protested. Proudly.

Citizen Action was part of it. So was Congressman Frank Pallone.

Here's a post about it -- with 80 replies applauding.
(Sorry, pics are no longer in OP, but scroll down. Some pics in Reply #55)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3218291

Do you really think Hillary would denounce people protesting a political event?

[DrDan]

67. protesting is one thing - bullying is another

[pat_k]

69. Agreed. But the objection was to Bernie's refusal to denounce protest.

Here's what he said:

In terms of people showing up and protesting outside. They wanna do that, that is absolutely appropriate. Why not. That's what freedom of speech is about. That's what freedom of dissent is about. People standing outside by the hundreds, by the thousands, saying we disagree. I think that's exactly appropriate.

This is in no way an endorsement of bullying.

It is my hope that Hillary would do the same (i.e., refuse to denounce lawful protest).

[DrDan]

70. I have enough respect for Bernie to agree with you.

But I am not sure his supporters (present company excluded, of course) understand the difference.

That causes a problem.

[pat_k]

71. Yes, it is problematic.

Directly confronting the supporters of a rival candidate, in any way, is bad news.

[Armstead]

25. A diehard Hillary supporter will never vote for Bernie due to a protest he had nothing to do with

How disappointing

[Renew Deal]

28. This matches up with the videos

[MrWendel]

33. The pouting...

and temper tantrums should last up till the convention. Lets see what shakes out by then.

[Vattel]

34. Wow, Sanders supporters were even targeting families with children

and saying that the children would die. And Sanders has allowed his supporters to escalate to this level (the level of "rabid terrorist)."
What a meanie. I guess I should vote for Clinton.

I guess there are people stupid enough to buy into this.

[dflprincess]

54. This has "Brock Dirty Trick" written all over it

Outside of these people claiming to be Bernie supporters, I'd like to see some proof that they actually are and aren't on Brock's payroll.

[Warren DeMontague]

36. Wow, that reads almost verbatim like an OP I saw here in GDP.

What an odd coincidence, same sentences and everything!

[Armstead]

37. About This protest

http://egpnews.com/2016/05/hillary-clinton-coming-to-elac-amid-protest-by-latino-students/

Hillary Clinton Coming to ELAC Amid Protest by Latino Students
Presidential candidate will also attend fundraisers for her campaign.
By City News Service

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is scheduled to speak today at East Los Angeles College amid a planned protest by Latino students and community groups and to raise funds for her campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Clinton will discuss her plans to raise incomes for families, break down the barriers that hold Californians back, keep America safe and bring the country together, an aide said.


Members of Union del Barrio, MEXA of East Los Angeles College, LA Brown Berets and several other student and community-based organizations plan to march seven blocks in Monterrey Park from Belvedere Park to East Los Angeles College to protest what organizers call Clinton’s attacks on working-class communities of color and her 2002 vote as a senator in favor of the resolution authorizing military action against Iraq.

“This event is to let Hillary know that she is not welcomed in Los Angeles and to raise community awareness of what she really represents. We will let the community know that either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton would make terrible presidents,” said organizer Ron Gochez, referring to the real estate tycoon and television personality who is the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.

“This action is strictly to protest against Hillary Clinton and not in support of any party and/or candidates.” There was no response to an email sent Wednesday night to the Clinton campaign seeking comment.

[ucrdem]

41. Evidently the Sanders campaign didn't get the memo

or didn't read it because they were supporting a candidate bigtime:

[Armstead]

44. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1925563

[Armstead]

49. ...And what was the memo? "Don't attend this if you support Sanders"?

[ucrdem]

50. The one you just posted three times, which, now that you mention it, is irrelevant. nt

[Armstead]

53. Ok you win...No more protests allowed ever for any reason by anyone. They're so messy.

[aikoaiko]

42. Sounds a lot like the America Ferrera/Dolores Huerta "English Only" distortion

Sure, there is video, but its not clear who is saying what to who and who is a Bernie supporter versus someone is simply very unhappy with HRC's term as SOS.

[larkrake]

45. Sounds like a made up story to me, you guys are so desperate

[oasis]

46. When a small child hears he's "going to die" from members of

an angry mob, he's got to be freaked out. Of course he believes they are directly threatening him.

[ReasonableToo]

62. I don't condone anyone screaming at a kid. I also don't condone sending children back to -

- the war zone that is Honduras as "a message".

I don't blame the protestors for expressing their opposition to Hillary. I also think that if Brock wanted to diffuse and negate the message of the protestors, he'd send someone in to be overly aggressive. I don't know if that happened or not but it would not surprise me to find out that some people were planted.

[oasis]

64. Many in this crowd seem to be operating in the same spirit as those

who have harassed Hillary's endorsers and super delegates with nasty phone messages and postings in social media.

Brock is way to smart to get tangled up in something this messy and amateurish.

[Beacool]

47. In some respects, both anti-establishment candidates share some characteristics.

Both Trump and Sanders have very loyal supporters. Some of them have no compunction into crossing the line.

The behavior of the group of people outside Hillary's event was disgraceful. If the reverse had occurred, and Hillary's supporters were shouting obscenities at Sanders' supporters, I would say the same thing. This type of behavior is unacceptable and shouldn't be neither praised nor ignored. We should be better than Republicans. If not, what's the point of being a Democrat?

[Armstead]

52. This was organized by Latino community groups

Take it up with them and stop lying that this was Sanders fault, or that protestors who get emotional represent all of the 40 percent of voters in the primaries so far who have supported him.

This mask of delicacy and phony concern with Emily Post is getyting turesome and it is disingenuous.

I suppose you were among those who said the protests against the Iraq War were unAmerican and those nasty protesters were not respecting the troops? .

[Beacool]

59. Where in my post did I blame Sanders?

[Armstead]

60. You didn't perhaps...But many people are......A bigger BUT.....

You compare Sanders supporters to Trump supporters and put the behavior of some out of control community activists on all of us.

It is similar to the GOP right wing use of the bad behavior of some Iraq War protesters to tar everyone who opposed the war and/or demonstrated against it as unAmerican troublemakers.

Some people who support Sanders are jerks. Just as some people who support Clinton are jerks.

But the vast majority of people who support Sanders are just average folks. Not rabid, nor particularly radical. It is a disservice to imply otherwise.

[Vattel]

57. oh please, you are better than this

[Lucinda]

58. ...

[Fast Walker 52]

72. Assuming this is even true, couldn't it be some sort of agent provocateur?

I find this incident very hard to believe otherwise, especially without video proof.

Seriously, this is so over the top.

Of course, one of my Hillary-supporting FB friends uses this to bash Bernie supporters.

[stonecutter357]

82. K&R!