2016 Postmortem
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Like It or Not, the Democratic Party Now Must Answer to MillennialsThursday, 05 May 2016
Aisling O'Donnell, Truthout | Op-Ed
In reality, the disenfranchising of young people is an easy way to dismiss their grievances, a sort of a crowd directed ad hominem attack. This narrative has not only appeared in mainstream media, but both Hillary and Bill Clinton have sought at points to publicly make ridiculous the political participation of young people.
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Far from being myopic and disconnected, millennials are media savvy and politically shrewd, and they are not going to be placated by the type of windy rhetoric that sated the Obama electorate. If Hillary Clinton wants to bring them to the ballot box behind her, she is going to have to do more than talk in sweeping terms about uniting a party against a common enemy: She is going to have to convincingly change her politics, and in an atmosphere of high mistrust, that may prove complicated.
Read it in full:
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/35891-like-it-or-not-the-democratic-party-now-must-answer-to-millennials
hack89
(39,171 posts)the potential is there for sure.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)It seems to be a kind of lazy cohort from what I've read and experienced.
JI7
(89,281 posts)they're just the next "horrible and lazy generation".
They make up 10% of the population, but only 1% of the electorate.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)They get it.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)but the baby boomers vote in significantly larger numbers. Once the millennials decide to flex their power by voting, they'll get the respect they deserve.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)If they want other changes, their voices need to be heard ... and by that, I mean voting, not just talking.
brush
(53,925 posts)Response to SFnomad (Reply #5)
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JPnoodleman
(454 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)JPnoodleman
(454 posts)I'd say the base my generation can do is not shop, not vote, and let the country slowly wither and die at this point.
If it gives nothing to us, why give anything back?
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)You realize that we have been having primaries and that BS simply didn't get enough votes. And that millennials didn't show up at the polls in sufficient numbers. That enough of them didn't vote isn't the DNC's fault.
JPnoodleman
(454 posts)They got theirs and will elect one of their own to power.
My generation is wise not to trust this political party, it does not serve our interests and NEVER WILL.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)You couldn't come across as more entitled ... you don't get what you want unless you work for it. Try it some time.
brush
(53,925 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)even resulting in many of their deaths on the job...just yesterday I was reading about the Ludlow Massacre. John D Rockefeller Jr ordered that attack. He only died in 1960. His father later testified that he would still allow his guards to do it if it had been his call.
It wasn't that long ago, 1914...just eight years before my Mom was born.
The result of that Massacre ended up with a change to an eight hour work day and child labor laws. It was not a direct result, but the country was shamed and it started a conversation. But this was during the gilded age, and even that massacre did not wake people up to the problems of inequality. It was another 15 years before the great depression that got enough people's attention that we voted in FDR in '33. The wheel of change moves ever so slowly, and it's repeating it's course this time around. Much too slowly. Only this time our planet is in danger too. Very few in the top 10% seem to care.
Is a massive violent act of desperation what it takes for us to get things done? How long will the oligarchs let resentment build before they respond (acquiesce to the need for cooperation)...or will it really take violence again. God, I hope not. We are supposed to be civilized people in this country...but it seems an awful lot of people have never really accepted that treating people well is what civilized people do.
So, we are in a new gilded age. I was also reading and looking at pictures of Gate's house in Washington. It reminded me of Hearst Castle. It's not necessary for anyone in a country so filled with poverty and hunger and low paying jobs, to live like that. It's obscene.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Hopefully, they will no longer settle for the "lesser of two evils" and vote out of principle rather expediency.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)fizzgig
(24,146 posts)nor any of the late gen xers.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)fizzgig
(24,146 posts)but support sanders over her.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Il_Coniglietto
(373 posts)Hi, we exist.
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)best represents your interests and values and being mature means voting blindly to uphold party loyalty no matter how corrupt politicians become then I'll side with the immature ones all day every day.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)JPnoodleman
(454 posts)I don't own fealty to that Dynasty.
Henhouse
(646 posts)Course I was a Boomer....and as the name implies, there were a whole bunch of us.... Now we are card carrying AARP members and, there are still a whole lot of us.
I'm not sure how to get Millenials to get out and vote. It is a question for the ages....
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)1. Unrig the system, or at least start getting serious about unrigging it. Restore, preserve and protect the integrity of the vote.
2. Run better candidates.
You cannot count on the anti-vote anymore, those days are long over. If we are damned if we do and damned if we don't, we cannot count on people to make an effort. Especially if voting is a pain in the ass, which it often is.
The media could step up their game as well by bringing journalism back. This is about democracy, not profit or ratings.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Meaning full descheduling, not a token move from I to II which still leaves to conflict between federal law ans state recreaional/medical legalization intact.
An issue which is supported by a Majority of Americans, and a VERY SOLID majority of Millennials.
thucythucy
(8,102 posts)aren't running with this issue. It's as though they think it's the 1980s or something.
Reform is happening--painfully, grindingly slow reform, state by state--but it absolutely needs to happen on the federal level as well.
I'm hoping that, after the election, President Obama will issue a blanket pardon to everyone in federal prison on nonviolent drug charges. I'm not sure if he has the authority to spring people from state and local jails, but if he does I'd hope he does that as well. AND work to restore their voting rights.
Honestly, declaring an end to "the war on drugs" is such a no brainer.
icecreamfan
(115 posts)Clinton, which age group doesn't do their own research and just likes to protest stuff again?
If only people over 40 in 2012 voted, Romney would have won. Young people were a major part of the Obama coalition and they certainly don't deserve condescending rhetoric and smugness from the likely 2016 nominee.
http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)That it was the only age group which nationally carried for John Kerry, the 2004 losing Democrat, when he received 48.27 percent to Republican president George W. Bushs 50.73 percent.
But, this seems to be, as Al Gore might say, An Inconvenient Truth.
icecreamfan
(115 posts)Voters under 35, POC and single women are the Democratic Party base. But the liberal vs. conservative identification of those under 35 vs. previous generations is striking. It signals either large changes are going to be needed in the party platform or trouble is ahead in the coming decade.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)nominating a Diet Republican for president of the United States.
A good amount of the 65+ Democratic primaries voters, from 2016, will have died. That means their influence in nominating those breeds of Democrats dies as well.
If nominating a woman was the most important motivator
instead of Hillary Clinton we should have Elizabeth Warren. Perhaps knowing well enough how the establishment operates may explain best why Warren shut down the calls for her to run.
This is a party of insiders which engineer making sure true liberals dont get nominated to prominent offices. (Barack Obamawho signed on for propping up Wall Street and the militaryturned out to be a fraud.)
I am guessing Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Chuck Schumer will design something in mind. (Schumer already has.)
It is time not only for the Old Guard of the Republican Party but also the Democratic Party to exit their stage.
brush
(53,925 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)accept for the fact that the oligarchs are going to take it all with Hillary.
Elections will become defunct.
realmirage
(2,117 posts)and help Bernie win? Everyone knows the youth vote is a mirage candidates chase at their peril
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Just look at the voting statistics this cycle. Millennials are still a small enough group that they don't have the kind of influence being talked about. They might in four or eight years, but right now politics still belongs to the older generations.
mehneh
(39 posts)They control it, they control the information on it, and that's about it. Our tech savvy generation that will start a new era.
Two things need to happen:
1. Millennials need to get positions of power
2. Millennials need to start voting. They suck at that.
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JPnoodleman
(454 posts)And spread every venereal disease under the sun.
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JPnoodleman
(454 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Links or just Bull Crap. Have a Jim Beam and chill.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)JPnoodleman
(454 posts)CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)1829 would lower their participationthe size of their turnout vote.
JPnoodleman
(454 posts)Generational hatred thing, make us all into Libertarians who want to smash the government and all the things Baby Boomers like.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)JPnoodleman
(454 posts)Anything can happen and you can't take voters for granted.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)JPnoodleman
(454 posts)Heck, my tax lady wears a peace sign and said "Well Trump is someone who can get jobs, I mean sure he has failed businesses but that means he knows his mistakes, I think the media isn't representing us at all."
In my defense, she has an encyclopedic knowledge of taxes and is incredibly cheap.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)JPnoodleman
(454 posts)In case you were unaware, the party will need more voters than merely those dedicated to the party before anything else.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)JPnoodleman
(454 posts)I never even once said "Bernie will win!" I merely would like him to do so.
I can only control my own vote. And mine, thus far, is not with her, and may be unable to EVER vote for a Clinton.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)Y'all can't have it both ways.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)jamese777
(546 posts)showed that millennals voted in record numbers and that they were 65% to 35% for Sanders over Clinton but Clinton's more diverse coalition of supporters gave her the primary victory.
From Time Magazine: "Young Democrats in New York turned out in even greater numbers than they did in the record setting 2008 nomination of Barack Obamamany of them to vote for Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders. Of the 322,000 voters ages 18-29 who came out Tuesday to vote Democrat, 65% cast their ballot for Sanders, with 35% voting for Hillary Clinton. However, the former Secretary of State handily won the contest with support from a diverse coalition of voters.
While some 86,000 young Republicans voted in New York, the numbers did not break the previous record set in 2000..."
http://time.com/4301535/new-york-primary-sanders-clinton-millennials/
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)They get what they deserve. Enjoy.
Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)Let's take it from there. mmkay
marlakay
(11,521 posts)I am having a hard time talking my grandson and daughter 18 & 36 into voting, they say they will for me, but for them? They don't think anyone cares about them. Its all fixed and a joke.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Yes, they'll probably keep the habit of voting for Democrats, but that's ALL they'll do.