Good luck

[nadinbrzezinski]

when Obama won I believed the hype, hope and change and all is gonna be great. Well his status as how good or bad of a POTUS will really not be known until a generation passes, why we right now are seeing the nasty side effects of that other clinton administration. Back then I fell in love with the candidate. I bought a mug and shirt and sent money and believed in this shit. I sent the t-shirt and mug back to the white house after they did not even fight for single payer, and left the democratic party the same day. I filled the form at the post office, and registered as a Decline to State and have not looked back.

So I wish all of you star struck voters that you are not disappointed. Those of us who have learned our lessons, expect no candidate to do 99 percent of what they promise during the electoral season. But you are also very sorely mistaken if you think this is over. The American people are pissed, and with good reason... people cannot make the bills, cannot send kids to college, kids are coming with great debt and then there is climate change.

400 PPM and 2 degrees centigrade are a fact (the latter they are still arguing whether it is El Nino, or it is permanent, If it is El Nino we have a little more time, if not, we are not on the 11th hour, but the 12th hour... the last seconds in fact.... as soon as the permafrost starts melting and releasing Methane, well, we will pretty much be really fucked. If you want to keep your optimism, do not read the IPPC reports, I warn you if you do, well all this shit is truly academic. Which also means the United States Supreme Court will be academic.

And yes, this was one dirty primary, and to those HRC supporters who did the shit they did personally to me, that is why when you scream bernie bros, I just fucking laugh at you, but you don't have the self awareness to understand what exactly you did. Suffice it to say, come November I will vote and not tell you for whom, secret ballot, but only becuase I want to pretend we still live in a democracy (We don't, and it's been obvious since 2000).

So the best I can leave you is with this. Good luck, hope you do not get disappointed by the greatest president ever. It hurts. Then you get over it, and get so cynical that all of this is just show... but some of you did things at a personal level, that I will never, ever forget... and no I don't hate your candidate for it, nor you. After all you are ones and zeroes, but what you did is classic bullying/ For what? Don't tell me it is because of somebody you really do not know. I don't know HRC, or Ted Cruz (Though I stood within feet of him), or for that matter Bernie Sanders, They are politicians, they make promises, and for many structural reasons they will not be able to do much of what they promise to you and me.

There is more, I asked you yesterday very specific questions, Granted, one was truly a trick question, becuase HRC does not have any answers on her website and the media, compromised as it is, will ever ask those questions. Your inability to not even answer the basic ones tells me you really are going on faith and do not know what your candidate stands for. On the other hand, I do. I have read every candidate website and read books and speeches and looked at records. I do not take any of these idiots at blind faith. So good luck

Some of you will be sorely disappointed. You cannot see it now. I could not see it the day Obama was inaugurated, or the night he won and gave that wonderful speech in Chicago. And yes some of you will never be disappointed because the chosen leader is the greatest slice of bread, since the machine was invented.

We will continue to cover politics, I have to arrange some interviews with some local candidates, but you know what? All this is a pretend game at this point, The only thing missing is removing the scenery. And some day some of you will wake up to that reality as well. As is, Climate Change and the sixth extinction are real. Good luck... we will all need it.

Oh and some of you will start celebrating, The burr is not leaving the saddle, sorry.

[antigop]

1. do you have a link to the questions you asked yesterday? I must have missed them. nt

[Hoyt]

2. Let's hope in 4 years you'll post back that you were wrong about Clinton. :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. I doubt it, I have been an observer of politics to expect any politician to do what they promise

I actually expect what I expect from her...

[reddread]

12. took steven leser 8 didnt it?

or was there a different number involved?

[still_one]

22. but, but, the OP has no bias for either candidate in this election, at least that is what we have

been told.

Also, don't count on the OP admitting ever being wrong, that would actually be something

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. I don't, I just stated my wish for you as a good luck

have fun. I hope you do not get disappointed

After all it is very partisan to say that 99 percent of what ALL CANDIDATES, yes reading comp is needed here, it includes Sanders. never gets done.

I agree with you, that is the most partisan statement ever made on DU.

[Logical]

52. Assuming she is not in prison? Nt

[joshcryer]

67. Like Obama, she won't get credit for anything positive.

[CorkySt.Clair]

3. ...

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. And this is a textbook example of the infantle behavior of the American voter

thank you.

[closeupready]

61. Right, lol? Stupid is as stupid does.

Oh well. Stiff upper lip and all that.

[Ned_Devine]

189. It's been 8 or 9 months of that shit

Or the rolling smiley faces or some kind of gif with someone making an eye rolling face. It just never ends and it's like we're trying to have a discussion about calculus and they're talking about what their favorite color is. I found this site in January 2004 when I was looking for an escape from the barrage of conservative media talking points regarding the Bush admin. This was a nice safe place filled with like minded folks and I was a big Dean and Kucinich supporter. I liked Carol Moseley Braun too. Somewhere along the way I lost my password and had to create a new profile and have been Ned_Devine ever since January 2006. Every election cycle be it mid term or presidential, I come here and take part in the discussions or just observe. Never in the 12+ years that I've been here have I seen the type of blind faith and dumbed down talking points and foolishness regarding a candidate like I've seen for HRC. The polite thing to call it would be disheartening, but really it's just gross and embarrassing. When the walls continue to come caving in on this weak democratic party I hope it serves as a real wake up call and that progressives like us will have our voices heard. I doubt that we will though and i think we really do need to look into going beyond the idea and protest stage and get started on creating a "People's Party". Ok, I've gone on too much of a rant here.

[Svafa]

202. I'm in just about the same boat! Joined in 2005, pop in every now and then,

particularly around primary time because I'm a politics nerd. At first things around here seemed pretty much like they did in the 08 primaries, but they got really ugly really fast.

[CoffeeCat]

181. It's like junior high all over again. It's very bizarre (nt)

[nadinbrzezinski]

182. Yup

and they are at it, still, They are amusing like little tykes in the school yard. This is why we get the government we get,

[LexVegas]

4. Thought you were non partisan. Didnt have a favorite.

[obamanut2012]

9. lolz

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. I actually don't

what do you want to know of what Trump or Cruz are promising, I did the due diligence. For that mater your candidate. You guys cannot answer basic questions, oh and unlike you, I sport a NASA avatar, not a partisan avatar.

[Maru Kitteh]

83. If you didn't have a favorite, then why you so mad?

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. I am not mad

I am just heavily amused at the series of ASSumptions made.

It is kind of adorable. But the antisemitic dog whistles scared the crap out of me, that I will never forget.

[randome]

5. You flatter yourself to think of yourself as a 'burr'. Continue to fantasize about your Dystopia.

We have better things to do and more people willing to work as part of a team.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-most-important-poll-you-didn-t-see

Take all that together and you come away with pretty clear evidence that over the course of the Democratic primary young voters have become more attached to progressive politics and the Democratic party. One read of this is that the primary process itself - as divisive as it has sometimes seemed - has deepened young voters' identification with the Democratic party.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[CorkySt.Clair]

7. +1

More of an amusement than a burr.

[obamanut2012]

16. ...

[displacedtexan]

165. I agree.

An actual burr would make me want to bite my pillow. But this OP reads like one of my favorite Dick Van Dyke Show quotes: "...something that on the surface seems vague but in reality is meaningless."

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. My dystopia, so you deny climate change?

no serious question here... or that it is actually as serious at it is? Very serious question. Because that 400 PPM and 2 degree centigrade are really inconvenient facts for the flat earth deniers.

[randome]

29. Not denying it at all. Are you saying that only Bernie Sanders can save us?

The guy who has fewer Senate endorsements than Ted Fucking Cruz??!! Not being a team player, what is he going to do? Have Mighty Podium Bird flap his wings and blow the heat away?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. What part of Bernie *would not pass his agenda either* did you miss

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actually the only one that will save us is well, US.

but if you want to believe climate change is not that bad... denial is nice and at times I wish I never read the IPPC reports, which I know are very conservative.

In fact, Sanders did not have his hair on fire enough... ok. Some of my local activists do.

[haikugal]

88. They'll get back to you in five years and claim they always were alarmed and ready for action.

It will be too fucking late and too damned sad. Ignorance is bliss they say, hope they enjoy it while it lasts because some of us know the light at the end of this tunnel is a fucking train!

I don't know what happened Nadin but Inknow you have been harassed by fools and idiots for years.

Keep up the good work. It's a shame some people are so shallow.

[nadinbrzezinski]

91. And they keep it

but for the record, I do not expect them to ever admit it to me. Which is fine. I hope their children forgive them.

[tex-wyo-dem]

111. I'm with 2 million % on climate change, nadin...

It makes me crazy to see so many just ignoring the canaries in the coal mine. The Earth is screaming clues to us everyday, but many just choose to keep their head in the sand.

In any case, Bernie is the only candidate to came even close to discussing the level of seriousness. Hillary talks a good game, but for some reason I hear the words but just can't believe them.

[choie]

128. they will have to pay

Back their kids' student loans, support them until their 40 and help them with medical expenses. Not to mention say goodbye when they go off to another military corporate war that Clinton gets us into.

[artislife]

97. I don't think one of them even gives one flying fuck about it.

I have never read any words of real concern by any of them.

I don't have kids, so I have no loved ones who is live through the real shit, but I am sure some of them do. And they don't care enough.

It was a nice planet while it lasted.

[nadinbrzezinski]

99. That is why I asked some serious policy questions

to which I knew the answers to... from HER SITE no less, and other areas. OK one question I should sit with Elizabeth Warren... cause I doubt most people in the house or senate or the elite understand that shit at this point.

They also ignore civil rights, (unless convenient) and a few other things. Partisans are what they are. I hope they will be able to apologize to their kids As to the planet... it will recover, but not with the presence of high chordates, including us.

[artislife]

102. Gaia will survive

but if there is an intelligence in the universe, man will never evolve again.

We suck.

[randome]

161. So does a cat that kills a bird for fun.

We are the best and the worst that the Universe has to offer -so far as we know. Why insist on only seeing the worst?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[artislife]

168. Because of people like you. nt

[randome]

169. I can only think you feel that way because I don't care about being right or wrong.

Which makes it difficult to 'tag' me but that's not by design, it's how I like to look at things: I can be wrong about anything. But I was right about Sanders not making it. I was right about OWS dissolving. I was right about Snowden never getting anywhere with his classified leaks. And I was right about Assange being stuck in an Ecuadorian embassy.

Other than that, I don't see why you'd take a disliking to me since I'm one of the most easy-going posters on this board.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[artislife]

170. Yeah, easy going is one way to look at it

That is what led this planet with all its environmental, economic and racial problems.

Don't let anything get to you and just bliss out.

It isn't you in particular, it is people who think like this. Go with the flow...well this is where the flow led us.

Whatever. The course is now set. Weeee.. a ride into the abyss. Here we go!

[randome]

176. I don't think we're doomed.

It's going to take immense effort but I believe we'll get there. It's probably no coincidence that the GOP -and white male supremacy- is dribbling away in significance at this juncture of Time.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[randome]

119. Where did I ever say climate change was not that bad?

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You're the one who has mixed in concern for the species with a Presidential election. That might carry some weight if a Republican manages to take office but in this Primary it's baffling why you'd do that.

Sanders would not be able to get anything done because he's not a team player. It's up to us to lean on Clinton to take more decisive action.

So maybe stop with the petulant "good luck" statements and let's start working toward our common goals.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[nadinbrzezinski]

131. Actually who we chose, not just Americans mind you, as political leaders

Will determine species survival. I am sorry you really do not understand it is that serious. I hope you can tell your family I am sorry when the real leading edges are felt. So far it has been nothing.

It would help if we "elected" leaders that did not treat us as children, not limited to the President of the US, but the American political class is particularly bad about treating their people like well, two year olds. Either that, or they are also in denial, which is possible.

2 degrees centigrade, 400 ppm, those are real bad numbers. I hope you will someday apologize to your children for not getting it. What the political class is doing, by codling populations, not just Americans, may very well be seen by your decendants as a crime against humanity.

[randome]

146. You keep talking about climate change as if electing Clinton will doom us.

Which means you are not objective. Keep posting the bad numbers if you want but I don't disagree with you. Now, what can we do to get Clinton to move faster on this?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[nadinbrzezinski]

149. Well methane loop is in the cards, very soon

And when leaders, not just Clinton, include Cameron in that lust for example, keep talking Fracking and natural gas, yes it is that serious. You know the Saudis are moving away from oil...that should tell you something we are not getting. The Chinese are building renewables like gangbusters...but we are still talking of burning gas. We are at 400 ppm and 2 degrees centigrade. The idiocy is not limited to the American political class. The west ,actually is not getting it fully.

You will learn, how much the Paris accord is just a beggining and far from enough. And it will be you, who will have to apologize to kids.

The IPPC is rather conservative. By their simulations we still have thirty years. The reality is that the major reverse loops are already kicking in. This is what your political leaders refuse to tell you. They will treat you like a one year old we really should not scare. Poor kid. But the nightmare is real.

And Sanders does not have his hair on fire sufficiently, though to his credit he actually tried to warn people. I find ironic that a seventy something gets it, when many fifty somethings are still sleep walking through history.

One of my local scrips scientists put it best...most of the fossil fuels need to remain in the ground. Yes, most reserves are still there.

By the way, here is the less rosy scenario...not for the rest of the world, Americans give two shits about the rest if the world.

Miami will be lost due to ocean rise (already happening)

Storms will increase in intensity

Tornado season will become year round ( already well underway)

Droughts will deepen This will lead to deaths and in the end climate refugees

Fire season is now a year round, instead of seasonal, fires are more intense

Crop failure due to lack of water. The Central Valley still produces due to the water underground. This will end soon

I am now convinced you are thinking conventional politics will be the way, no it won't. And yes, species extinction is in the cards. So someday you might be able to apologize to your kids. I don't have any, so won't have to.

[randome]

159. Clinton has also said she wants to put coal-mining out of business.

And while I'm not in favor of fracking, it is less destructive to the atmosphere. Same with nuclear power. I don't like that, either, but when it becomes part of the discussion, we are at least paying attention to the issues.

Conventional politics may not be able to save us but neither could a loner from Vermont. So what's the next step? Give up? Start a thread entitled "Good luck", as if you no longer want to deal with the problems? That should not be an option for any of us.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[nadinbrzezinski]

164. YOu are correct as far as francking being less destructive to the atmospher

but it is a disaster for drinking water. It is robbing Peter to pay Paul as far as the environment is concerned.

And you keep attacking Sanders, this is so much well beyond Sanders it is not even fucking funny. Your statements tell me you lack imagination and are indeed stuck in conventional politics.

It is not my concern at this point, just my amusement.

Humans... what can I say? We can act now rationally (not gonna happen) or try to react out of fear... and that will be too late.

[randome]

166. Yeah, most of your posts end up with you laughing and 'amused' at other posters. Funny, isn't it?

You have strongly implied here that electing Clinton is 'wrong' in some way. I simply pointed out that Sanders does not work well as part of a team. No 'attack' there, it's just my opinion.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[nadinbrzezinski]

167. Sorry, my other choice is to cry at the willful ignrance BUT, BUT SANDERS, predictable....

so laughing is better. or being amused.

The hour is late. But I do not expect you to get it, So do have the last word please, and continue whistling past the many open graves.

Children, will be children I suppose.

[G_j]

92. Team players

don't throw insults and belittle..

[randome]

147. Oh, please, those were mild 'insults'.

Promoting the notion that Clinton's election will doom us all is rather pointless. The question we should be asking ourselves is how to get her -and Congress- to move faster on climate change.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[LibDemAlways]

110. I would say that young voters finally had a reason to

get involved in the political process because of Bernie. They aren't supporting him because he's running as a Democrat but because they like his ideas and the direction in which he wants to lead the country. They are definitely not aligning themselves with the Democratic Party as embodied by the DLC. Far from it. The young people I know have no interest in a party they rightly view as corrupt and intent on nominating the candidate who will assure that the rich prosper while the rest of us will continue to be mercilessly screwed.

[randome]

144. I have nothing whatsoever against Sanders. He has great ideas and has done some good things.

But I don't worship youth. However, they seem to be able to see through the bullshit from both sides and they've chosen the Democratic Party.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-most-important-poll-you-didn-t-see

Take all that together and you come away with pretty clear evidence that over the course of the Democratic primary young voters have become more attached to progressive politics and the Democratic party. One read of this is that the primary process itself - as divisive as it has sometimes seemed - has deepened young voters' identification with the Democratic party.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[Starry Messenger]

11. I thought you didn't have a candidate.

Journalistic neutrality and all that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. I don't

I am wishing you good luck, becuase some of you, like I was a partisan voter in 2008, will be dissapointed,

Did you read the full post? Let me help you.

So I wish all of you star struck voters that you are not disappointed. Those of us who have learned our lessons, expect no candidate to do 99 percent of what they promise during the electoral season. But you are also very sorely mistaken if you think this is over. The American people are pissed, and with good reason... people cannot make the bills, cannot send kids to college, kids are coming with great debt and then there is climate change.

That was extremely partisan, wasn't it?

I just hope you are not disappointed. I was in 2008, and I am no longer a partisan voter in the United States. Go ahead and try to win my vote. I mean it, I wish you luck.

[Starry Messenger]

14. I'm never disappointed when the repukes are defeated.

After that the real organizing work begins.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Alas I don't see other Americans as my enemy

you do. Another issue of why the US gets what it gets for government. I hope that someday, before I die. (I crack me up, really) Americans will mature out of this infantile they are meanies mind set.Trust me, I am still complete, nothing fell off, and I talked, GASP to republicans... I still live.

I just don't expect it at this point, And that is part of the problem, and why Americans can be played with such ease.

Hey, I am batting better than 500. I started to take Trump way too seriously before any of you, (or the MSM for that matter) did. And on the D size the show was close. And yes, it is better than 500, the Rs started with 17. We took him seriously in July of last year and said this was not going to be, and it has not been, a normal election back in December. We also had just a moment of doubt, but I suspect Trump will get the nom in the end.

[Starry Messenger]

17. Dumb post is dumb.

I have taken Trump seriously all year, which is why I didn't support Sanders (among many reasons) and your puerile need to project some kind of juvenile hate scenario is infantile. Anyone with sense opposes the Republicans.

Hillary will beat him, and then you "neutrals" can whine about it for eight years.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. It is not puerile

to say that you see Republicans as the enemy. That is the way you talk about it, So forgive me for taking you seriously in they are my enemy shtick. You (and many of them) are otherrizing the other.

And I really could care less if your special candidate wins or loses, just as I do not care who your party nominates. American politics were kidified a while ago. Why they are not about issues. Why when at times you ask a candidate an issue question and they go on and on about the color of the sky. For the record, both sides do it.

And I see you are not interested in my vote. Perhaps your candidate will do better. And yes I will be critical of whoever gets elected to the WH. ISSUES. Remember those? Jesus, this is why the US needs a real media... not a game show one that only cares about the fucking horse race. And this is the job of the MEDIA (not that they do it well) to be critical of these idiots in office. Not to praise them.

I am as critical of my mayor (Coughchargerscough) as I am of the President of the United States.

[Starry Messenger]

19. Then bye.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Put me on ignore, thank you

[Starry Messenger]

21. Nope.

[Loki]

31. You actually think the republicans have you or anyone's best interest at heart?

You can really say that the Republican ideology is not the enemy with a straight face? You "shtick" as you call it is irresponsible when you look at the outright destruction of our society and it's middle class they have wrought over the last 30 some years. I can't believe that you can be that obtuse or naive. It's not the people, per se, it's their corrupt ideology that they demand complete obeisance to. They require an unmoving and unrelenting focus on being the obstructionist party and to make government fail at every level. When you no longer care about what happens to people, then you have lost whatever it is that makes you a part of the human race. They have attained that, and surpassed even what I thought to be total and abject corruption of the soul. We are watching the party morph into one big Klan rally because Trump has given them a voice and a seat at the table. Hate works.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Yes, like you they believe they are doing the best for their family

your challenge, is to reach across and convince them otherwise in an adult discussion. Until that changes, the US will be rudderless. Or on the way to a HOT civil war.

Like YOU, they are afraid. Human fear makes people react in different ways, But if you believe they don't want the same shit you want, jobs, a future, and an economy that works, you have not been paying attention.

At one point, both sides got this. At this point both sides are engaged in a war that will only lead to both sides shooting each other on the foot. (metaphorically speaking off course)

[NastyRiffraff]

148. What in the world are you doing

on a site called "Democratic Underground"?

And I really could care less if your special candidate wins or loses, just as I do not care who your party nominates. American politics were kidified a while ago. Why they are not about issues. Why when at times you ask a candidate an issue question and they go on and on about the color of the sky. For the record, both sides do it.

Such hate. This site was started to promote electing Democrats in the Democratic Party. I'm sorry if that's too complicated for you to understand, but that's the way it is. Go away if you can't understand or support that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

150. Ah more comedy

[NastyRiffraff]

153. So says the "journalist"

who has all the answers and is never wrong. True, that IS comedy of a sort

[nadinbrzezinski]

154. More of the comedy

Bullies gotta bully, the DU way

At least I won't be disappointed. Some of you will. It happens every time

[NastyRiffraff]

155. Thank you SOOOOO much

for your concern!

[nadinbrzezinski]

157. Actually no concern, more like amusement

[still_one]

23. I have some swamp land in Arizona also

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. With climate change I truly doubt it.

Though a friend of mine has been under red flag for the last few... not consistent with a swamp.

[Starry Messenger]

35. Cactus gators!!

[William769]

27. Your concern is noted.

[TDale313]

28. Fascinating. 26 replies and I'm seeing one.

Must have all the right people on ignore.

[Dem2]

142. Nice!

[CaliforniaPeggy]

30. Well said, Nadin. I respect your POV very much. n/t

[riderinthestorm]

32. Climate change means politics as we know it will be irrevocably changed

The planet's in its 11th hour.

I (like you) won't say I told you so. But I'll be thinking it.

Those "celebrating" Hillary's victory are small minded partisans.

Our current models of dissecting politics are dead.

I grieve for my children and theirs. They won't welcome my empathy but I do extend it sincerely.

[DookDook]

33. This is why I'm glad my wife and I decided not to have children.

It was one more thing we could do to try and help the planet.

[artislife]

100. Neither my brother or I had kids

We are the end of the line as our parents were only children.

Good. I laugh when people talk about legacy. Like there will be anyone around in 100 years who will care about legacies (if we survive that long)

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. That memo will come soon

Miami provides a perfect example of that dynamic, a R mayor is now screaming about the ever growing floods. Politics in Miami are nowhere close and it is already starting in San Diego as well. Did I mention my Mayor did not gripe or refuse to sign a Climate Action Plan? Politics is already changing at the local level. This will go from the bottom up. I am hoping Mayors will be able to push the feds.

[Kali]

37. so, is this a GBCW post...

or a threat to be a burr under the saddle (I presume by sticking around)? you weren't very clear about your intentions (though you were clear on your attitude of superiority).

for an astute political observer, ace reporter, and all-around expert you sure got fooled late in life. most people realize politicians are just politicians at least by their first or second voting experience.

well good luck with your blog or your "burring" or whatever.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Did you read the last line?

let me help ya with that reading comprehension

Oh and some of you will start celebrating, The burr is not leaving the saddle, sorry.

I hope that answers your question.

Of course I am not surprised you chose to be this way... never disappoint.

[Kali]

39. did you read my post?

I noted the term "burr" - so yes, I read your last line. it sounded like a vague threat to keep irritating people.

that is why I asked which it was, since the main thrust of the OP sounded like a somewhat typical GBCW post.

you expressed conflicting intentions.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. Nah, you misread it

but that is ok.

I mean it, that I wish on people do not lose the star struck quality of their chosen candidate. You have no idea how liberating is to go though a campaign getting a lot of crap from EVERY FUCKING CAMPAIGN, and just putting it in the trash after maybe scanning it. And really not giving two shits about it. At one pont though, between the FBI news releasees and the candidates, and I mean multiple candidates, I had to clean that inbox every 20 minutes or so. Got insane.

You give them your email. you are bound to get the GIVE ME MORE MONEY... though I am impressed with how much money Sanders did raise with 2.70 bucks an email. That is impressive.

But this has been the dirtiest campaign I have seen in years, and brings me back to my youth in Mexico City where really, we knew the game was rigged. So we voted to remain in practice And to be honest, more of us did vote, than the average American turnout, And even though their voting rates are down, they still vote more than we do.

I ain't one of you, and by that I mean a partisan.

Story posted from the hearing tonight, won't do my procedural until the morning Ah delegate counts will not be fully done until then. I got time before the closing arguments at court.

[Cary]

40. Nadine you aren't a burr

If you were a burr then Sanders would have won. I for one was swayed to vote for Clinton because of you and I'm sure a few million others were too.

Thanks for steering me away from a loser. Pfeh. I would be crushed right now, but for you.

You're so awesome Nadin.

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. You welcome, I just hope you do not learn the same lesson I learned in 2011

I mean it, if you do, let me know,



And thank you for artfully calling me a fool. I respect people who can be creative.

[Cary]

49. No worries

I have never been anything like you and that has worked exceptionally well for me.

I have no plans to change. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

I suggest you do some journalism on that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. Another artful smear

do HRC supporters in general have to be nasty? I guess so.

Hmm, amusing. Actually it might be an idea, on a story, the nature of the true believer, problem is that it's been done. Here, some reading for you, it is old but good.

http://www.amazon.com/True-Believer-Thoughts-Movements-Perennial/dp/0060505915/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1461731287&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=true+beleiver%2C+nature+of+mass+movements

Hoffer is an extremely critical read. And you know who you are reminding me more and more with that artful smear? Bush fans. So please do not change in any way, shape or form, I need people to make fun off in my off time.

[Cary]

57. You are a woman of words

You use the word "smear."

Smear: damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander.

What false accusations did I make? What slander?

The correct word that you should have used is "sarcasm."

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. That is what you are trying to do

from where I sit, And it is not JUST YOU. So at this point I take you guys extremely seriously, as comedians,

But seriously don't change. Really, I mean it.

[Cary]

62. I see

You are in my head and you know my intent.

But then if you were you would correctly distinguish between smear and sarcasm. Like I told you I am not at all like you. I would never make that error.

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. Re-read the OP, if you need to a few times

it might clarify for you why your comment was not received by me as sarcasm. What we have here, your honor, is a really serious failure to communicate. And if you re-read the OP, in particular what was done, you might get it, but that might lead to some self awareness, so maybe it is best you don't

I mean it.



And no, I am not being sarcastic, in case you think that.

[Cary]

65. But I was being sarcastic

And I am in my own head and therefore, unlike you, qualified to comment on my own intent.

Also I am not a judge, just a highly skilled trial and estate attorney.

So you see, you can't support your conclusion of slander. You are impeached.

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE

you might want to work on your people skills though. As an observer, I can tell you that your people skills are not going to do anything more than just sow discord. I have seen your posts at other threads, Here they are having the not desired effect, as I am laughing, by the way.

Bh the way I really do not care by the way. Myself, please do continue, it is highly entertaining.

[Cary]

69. Please

I am not responsible for anyone voting or not voting for Democrats. You are being ridiculous.

As for my people skills you are being even more ridiculous. You think you can judge my skills because I don't take you seriously? You just give me more reason to laugh at you.

Ridiculous. Totally ridiculous.

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. ...

[Cary]

73. It's good to laugh

[nadinbrzezinski]

75. ...

[Cary]

80. I mean it's not like you make any sense

The homeless guy on the corner laughs a lot too and it seems to help him out. I give him a quarter every day, and a big smile. He says God bless you.

[nadinbrzezinski]

84. See more smears

but they are funny and lovely so please do keep them up and please do have the last word. Bullies gotta bully and bullies are a protected class on DU.

I s'pose you serve a useful purpose.



And you expect me to take you seriously after that series of insults

[Cary]

117. Calling me names now

Classy

[Surya Gayatri]

118. That was a fun ride! LOLOL! This image comes to mind.

[Cary]

120. Hmmm

I am glad I am not Nadin. Poor Nadin. Everything is always about her.

What rotten luck she has. Can you imagine her burden with everything always being about her? That's heavy duty responsibility.

And thank goodness she is always there to carry this burden. I certainly could not have handled what she handled in 2011.

Of course I have no idea what cross it was that she carried but I'm so thankful that she carried it for the rest of us.

Aren't you?

[Surya Gayatri]

121. It IS indeed a burden to be of superior intelligence and moral standing.

One must constantly endeavor to edify one's intellectual and moral inferiors.

The unending struggle to show them the error of their ways can be quite exhausting.

[Cary]

122. If you say so boss

I think you need to follow dear Nadin's example and take on that cause, worrying and worrying so much about what you think other people are thinking.

That's so impressive! Do it! Do it and save us all right now from people on the internet whom you believe to believe that they are so much smarter and so morally superior to you!

God, I am so choked up with pride. I'm so proud of you

[Cary]

123. Ah, the humanity....

[Surya Gayatri]

124. Pssst! That was satire...I was agreeing with you. LOLOL!

"I think you need to follow dear Nadin's example and take on that cause, worrying and worrying so much about what you think other people are thinking."

Please, do NOT abandon me to such a fate! I could NEVER live up to her example of self-congratulatory, pseudo-intellectual gobbledygook.

[Cary]

125. Mine was sarcasm too.

[Dem2]

145. I don't disagree

[nadinbrzezinski]

136. Ah bullies gotta bully how typical of DU

[840high]

41. Thank you Nadin.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. You welcome,

[Califonz]

43. 30 out of 39 posts not showing? Really?

HC group hidey-hole is leaking!

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. I tend to atract people

and they are the fans I am referring to in a few cases.

Oh I don't hate them, just feel sorry for them at this point. People who need to deny the real life or profession of people are to be really pitted.

[IdaBriggs]

45. It's not over until it's over. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. Am afraid when I look at the math in the morning

it will be.

The last doors did close tonight, and trust me, I was hoping to vote in CALI for MORE than minimum wage. Oh well, we are back to we almost never count, 1992 was the last time.

[Logical]

51. Great post! Nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. Thanks it is funny how some folks take this

I laugh at this point.

[jpmonk91]

54. im not celebrating

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280185920

[underthematrix]

56. Your post has me shaking my head

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. I am not sure that is a good thing or a bad thing

but since you are using that user name, suffice it to say, I have neither taken the red or blue pill. Take that as you may.

[underthematrix]

60. Bless your heart

[SidDithers]

64. Wut?...

Sid

[joshcryer]

68. I'm a climate change alarmist.

But only because I know we're going to geoengineer.

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. Well many in the scientific community do not agree or share your hope

And anyway. 2 degrees, 400 ppm... at this point I hope the rest of the world just shames us into action ok.

[joshcryer]

72. Geoengineering is the backup, corporate approach.

Of course the policy wonks think renewables can grow in a filthy marriage with fracking, that the free markets will build out electric vehicles and the smart grid (V2G).

But the simple fact of the matter is that aerosols are known to work, and it's the backup plan. So while the sights are on sustainable energy for the long term roadmap, the corporate powers that be aren't worried.

https://m.

But this will not prevent the current extinction event, though I'm on the record giving humans a 50/50 shot chance of surviving it (that estimate has moved up since I last did the analysis and I give us probably closer to 60/40 survival).

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. You do not understand

I doubt corporate interests will do this. I do not have your faith in corporations being so selfish. Never have, never will.

And with that, indeed good luck, becuase the methane reverse loop might just be about to kick in.

And I do not expect a pro corporate president, R D, does not matter, to act either.

[joshcryer]

76. Once climate events start affecting their bottom line...

...they will push for it. India and China in particular are looking at devastating droughts. Clathrates are a huge problem but they actually might prompt major action, so their release is a mixed bag.

BTW, I think you meant selfless...

[nadinbrzezinski]

78. Yeah selfless,

and not just india and china, the American southwest. CAL OES, their data is well... scary as hell

By mid century, we might have to evacuate large areas... and I mean that.

[joshcryer]

85. I wanna be clear though, it's going to be really bad.

Sea rise alone requires the relocation of several hundred thousand a year (not a matter of rate of rise, but rather how many people live in areas affected; instead of expensive proactive measures, we are looking at mass disasters followed by migration, there are studies in this).

[nadinbrzezinski]

87. I know, one of my local young candidates for city council

has raised SEA WALL, but instead we get stadium. Politics as usual.

[nadinbrzezinski]

77. By the way, my apologies for the list

which is more than a lot of the people who did a lot of shit to me (and continue to) will ever do.

I am offering my very public apology to you. And while I do have excuses, for that. well the harassment was extremely painful, I should not have done that. This said, what I predicted as antisemitic dog whistles did come and come hard. and for that I will not forget those people either. But I do offer my apologies to you.

The list though still does exist, with very good reason, It happens to contain a list of the well not so good people here. The ones that are truly bullies. You are not one. They are on the other hand.

[joshcryer]

79. I had to take a break.

No worries though. The anger builds. I'm well in to acceptance stage.

[nadinbrzezinski]

81. I did not have that problem

mostly, I really did not fall in love with any candidate, Though have done more work than most on both Trump and Cruz... and boy are they fun... not in a good way

[akbacchus_BC]

82. Nadin, with all due respect to President Obama, the conservatives vowed to make him

a one term President, he got two. Those fuckers (pardon my language) never wanted President Obama to succeed. They did not care about the well being of ordinary citizens of the US. Who are those fuckers? Yet, you have folks following Trump! I do not know what is wrong with people in the US, are they looking at fox news?

[nadinbrzezinski]

90. I know exactly what they did

do you want me to quote chapter and verse from Mayer's book? To me it felt that he did not fight hard enough when they had both house and senate... but yes, I am now a person who does not fall in love with any politician... I don't care what party.

[akbacchus_BC]

94. Nadin, my respect grows for you. You say it like it is, not a lot of people on here are like you!

That is why I read all your posts and you are so well informed. One of the best since Will Pitt, poor guy, he gets a lot of flak on DU, but he meant well. I still like him!

[nadinbrzezinski]

95. Truth tellers are attacked and belittled

and I mentioned Mayer, since I am in the middle of reading that book... ah the Koch network... what a bunch of ... well they are now part of the family so better watch my ps and qs.

[akbacchus_BC]

104. Never give up on telling the truth. I honestly believe that a Clinton Presidency will culminate

in a world gone mad. Mrs. Clinton was fortunate that President Obama gave her SOS and she fucked that up with Libya. I ask myself why he had to include her in his administration. She is coming back to bite his ass and assuming she is competent. Bet President Obama is sorry for that! Poor guy, he assumed electing that Hilary Clinton as SOS would get her far away from the white house, little did he realise what a fuck up she was. She is responsible for the shit in Libya. Her supporters will say no!

[nadinbrzezinski]

105. Well Charles endorsed her, even if she said no, I don't accept it

so it was kind of cute.

As to the rest. Well what can I say? I should invest in more ink.

[akbacchus_BC]

112. I do not know what to say to you! But am so sorry that Mr. Sanders is leaving!

The US under Hilary Clinton will be the same old bullshit. You know what I do not understand is how black people feel that the Clintons have their interests at heart. Democracts never had the interest of Black people at heart, Kennedy fucked them over, it was Nixon, a Republican, who got King out of jail!

Bill Clinton voted for welfare reform, three strikes you are out. Bill Clinton is solely responsible for Americans losing their it jobs in the silicon valley by issuing HB1visas to lower paid Indians. How on earth you all are supporting Hillary Clinton?

[nadinbrzezinski]

114. Alas the good luck and star struck messaging

Many will be disappointed. Mind you, that is with every pol, but I fear more will be than usual.

My hope is that Americans will someday do issue based politics, not star struck identity politics

[antigop]

132. it's not just the IT jobs in Silicon Valley that are being replaced by H-1B visaholders. nt

[snot]

89. Just want to say,

I've tried to remain a voice for civilization.

I've been a DU member/contributor since at least 2004. I've never had a post hidden. I was never blocked, 'til I was blocked from the Hillary group. I still have a 100% chance of serving on a jury; and until this last week or so, every jury vote I've cast was with the majority.

I've tried to avoid Hillary group posts. But for many days, every time I've come to DU, I've had to suppress the urge to reply, FUCK ----!

I've stopped donating to DU, and I'm nearly out of here. Let the Clintons' slush funds support this place.

Civilization cannot be sustained on lies and wishful thinking.

[nadinbrzezinski]

93. I stopped donating a long time ago

and at this point I don;'t leave becuase of the bullies. Why give them what they want?

As to species survival... I hope they can look their children in their eyes and say "I'm sorry, we had a chance (not sanders you silly wabbits, this is much bigger than the guy you hate) and we blew it."

[snot]

96. + 8 sideways.

[DJ13]

98. Thank you Nadin, excellent post

As always.

[nadinbrzezinski]

101. Thanks

[Bread and Circus]

103. I love reading your stuff. Thanks! MUCH <3

[nadinbrzezinski]

108. You welcome

[Juicy_Bellows]

106. You make an ass ton of sense. That's a compliment btw.

Kick!

[nadinbrzezinski]

107. Thanks

[TheDormouse]

109. I'm sick of this "No, we can't" attitude, which is

why Bernie's message is so welcome.

When Hillary says single payer healthcare "will never, ever come to pass" -- fck that!

[nadinbrzezinski]

113. Why I said good luck to those who are indeed star struck

I'm not, including Bernie. But he has a more democratic of the FDR coalition message. That party is dead. So time will tell what happens next. Bernie is another marker though

[ljm2002]

115. Well said, Nadin...

...and I am with you on the climate change thing: it really renders everything else moot.

At this point our only hope IMO is to mount a targeted Manhattan-like project to (a) move to 100% clean / renewables within the next 10 years or so, and (b) research ways to reverse the level of carbon in the atmosphere.

I was thinking along the lines you are, just the other day. Decided any work I do going forward will be totally centered on climage change. Because really, nothing else matters at this point, and it may already be too late. But we must operate on the assumption that it is not.

Thanks for the post.

[zappaman]

116. Sorry your candidate lost.

[nadinbrzezinski]

141. Given I fight those fights

And you really don't.

Someday though you will have to look your children in the eye and apologize. That will be quite the moment. OTOH not believing politicians means I won't be disappointed. That includes Sanders by the way.

The difference is that fans of Sanders, Cruz (scary I know) and Trump can actually articulate more of what these guys are offering as well policies. Trump impresses me that people actually can tell you. HRC Clinton supporters are not able to. We have done the experiment here repeteadly. And you surely mean it. You want millions to sit out the election, careful what you wish for.

I myself don't give two shits, but you keep alienating voters you actually will need. I am just going to sit over here and be entertained and wait inevitably for the blame game. Should be fun. Would be more fun if people actually cared for issues and not shitty slogans, but hey USA, USA, USA!

[bigbrother05]

127. Glad you're staying, DU would be less without you

[longship]

129. Another great post by another thoughtful DUer.

I will support all I see.

Not at all surprised that it's from Nadine.

R&

[Gregorian]

130. Thank you. I couldn't have said it better.

I get emotional about this because I'm not one of the sleepwalkers. I can see past my own wealth to care for those who must be hopeless right now.

I'm angry at the low level of consciousness of this country. And on the other hand I'm thrilled with the new group who do care, and are aware. Now we just need to find a way of making elections that can't be manipulated and ripped off.

By the way, I doubt more than a handful on this forum know just how determined the younger generations are. And I mean many aren't going to wait for an election.

[nadinbrzezinski]

134. I know, but I at times hear them speak

And you are correct, only a few here know...they are fighting for their future.

[antigop]

133. thanks, nadin. nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

135. There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it. Lord Acton

[nadinbrzezinski]

137. Well some will be very disappointed

When you expect nothing from them as a lot, you are hardly disappointed

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

138. I think many of her supporters believe that "this time it will be different".

That she will magically transform herself from a neo-liberal to a progressive, from a hawk to a dove, from ruthless to kind.

But, most will go along and condemn any who dare hold her to account.

[nadinbrzezinski]

139. As I said in the OP, I believed the tripe in 2008

I should have known better, but I did

And there is nothing at stake, not just the MC, but species survival. People know this and there is a global roiling against neoliberal, out of control capitalism. Americans are too insulated, on purpose, to get that

Should be as much fun as a root canal

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

140. 2008 was the year I decided to stop holding my nose.

When Obama said, as a candidate, he would escalate the war in Afghanistan.

It is a small comfort to know I didn't waste my vote on the "not as bad" candidate in '08 or '12.

A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right. Thomas Paine

[nadinbrzezinski]

143. Well this year I will do with it what I will do with it

Hubby will know, conure will know...the ballot...is still "secret." Given the shennanigans, no, not really but let's pretend

[NastyRiffraff]

152. Nadin, I hate to break it to you..

but nobody really cares who you vote for. Of course the ballot is still secret; that's not exactly big news.

[nadinbrzezinski]

158. Oh good, so we have not crossed that line yet

Sorry if I am assuming at this point the whole thing is actually a play, a very complex play, but a lets pretend to vote play nonetheless.

But thanks for your teaching me this. I guess the bat signal went out

[sadoldgirl]

162. It was clear from the beginning that all of the

establishment would put Bernie down, and I was surprised
for the length of his success. I hope that this will leave a
mark.

As far as climate change is concerned, I have given up.
We are part of nature, and therefore only reactive. It
will be way too late now, the genie is out of the bottle.

I console myself with the thought that there is a more
intelligent form of life on other planets. We are not
the exception in that regard.

Thanks,as always for your post!

[Cary]

204. I think most people, "her supporters" notwithstanding...

...don't buy your ideological schtick. I know I don't.

I lived through the Clinton years. They were pretty good years. In fact those were the only years that middle class incomes rose since Reagan inflicted us with "supply-side economics."

Actually I was in school when Reagan was elected and spent some time with Alfred Kahn. Carter did a lot with tight money policy and deregulation, so in fairness it started with Carter who was trying to break stagflation. You see, under our economic models stagflation isn't supposed to be possible.

What you would recognize if you were trying to be objective and if you understood such things is that no ideology has a monopoly on the truth, the 1990s were a totally different era, people actually learn things and grow (if they aren't drunk on some ideology), and last but not least she is Hillary Rodham Clinton not Bill.

Now that you've lost, why don't take a step back? It's not like you have any goal, now that your man is really out of it. You really didn't have any plan beyond having Sanders elected. President Obama surely turned out much better than you anticipated so all of your angst and anger didn't do anything. President Obama got what he could get. Why not spend your energy maximizing the policies that you favor?

You know, I for one have very little to disagree with you policy-wise. Would it be horrible if we got, say, 50% of what we want? You spend so much time talking about these horrible things about Hillary Clinton, to what end? What good is that going to do for you? What do you have to lose by giving her a chance? Seems to me you have everything to gain.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

207. A president once asked us to hold his feet to the fire.

Scrutinizing a potential candidate for the presidency and "holding her feet to the fire" is the responsibility of the voters who may, or may not, vote for her because of that scrutiny.

BTW, I'm not an ideologue. I'm a free agent who is not impressed with "not as bad" or the "lesser of two evils" in politics or principles.

[Cary]

209. And I'm not impressed with your ideology

I don't do cults of personality. I don't do bumper sticker slogans. I live in the here and the now. The people we elect are not "the lesser of two evils." The people we elect are just that, people and we're asking them to do a job for us. So really what you think they did or did not do, which is just pure contentiousness, is irrelevant.

What matters is what they do when they get into office and if you were to be honest you have absolutely no idea what they're going to do. It depends on many, many factors.

What I don't respect about your ideology is your contempt for the process. The process is the worst process ever, except for everything else (paraphrasing Churchill). I don't know what you think "free agent" means. We are all free agents. You just tap dance around what really matters: policy.

Again, now that you lost (no shame in losing, it was a good effort mostly) why not go with the process and see what we can accomplish? You aren't well served by this hyper-quasi-partisanship. I doubt that you could muster more than 10% of Sanders' supporters, and that's not going to be enough to emulate what the teabaggers have done to the Republican Party.

You evaded my question. You lost. Why not give Hillary Clinton a fair chance? What do you have to lose? You can go back to this state you're currently in any time you want. And frankly to people like me, well, we just tune you out because we don't care. You can't articulate a reasonable path forward, so what good are you? You tried and you lost. Ok. No big deal.

Just seems like a waste to me. You know, if we really showed up in force against "conservatives" we could buy them and we could change this country beyond your wildest dreams.

[DCBob]

151. Are you saying President Obama has been a failure??

I think he has was one of the greatest Presidents we have ever had.. considering what he has to deal with.

[nadinbrzezinski]

156. Reading comprehension is an issue I see (not surprised)

We will not know fully the effect of his policies for good or ill for a generation. It takes that long. He seems to be better than average, much better...but the true judgement will not kick in until a generation, that is 25 years, from Nov 20, 2017.

With Bush we knew the effects were going to be bad...but they have not unfolded completely either. And the trend for that is far from good insofar as the war on terror and state surveillance are concerned.

[DCBob]

160. If you can't tell Obama has been successful then you are the one with "comprehension" problems.

[nadinbrzezinski]

163. Nah, I take the long historic view

not the partisan view.

As I said, he seems to be MOSTLY BETTER THAN AVERAGE, but you are having some serious issues reading today. I am not one to take pom poms anymore.

[DCBob]

172. He's been in office for nearly 8 years.

You still cant make up your mind??

[nadinbrzezinski]

174. I said he has been above average

points to pom poms, go ahead and use them. -------------->

But the end results of policies are not known usually within the course of administrations, ultimately they take a generation.

[DCBob]

175. Much better that above average.. and dont need "pom poms" to say that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

178. Yes you do and use them often

I don't see. I really do not care what you think, but about the world. CLIMATE CHANGE is not going to be one of his better issues though. In fact, bellow average. You will see.

[DCBob]

179. I dont care what you think either.. so we are even.

[nadinbrzezinski]

187. I have knniwn that for years

so why do you pretend to care it baffles me...

[mrdmk]

171. When the cities of San Diego, Seattle, Portland (both), and Miami

become navigation hazards, not to mention the Aleutian Islands turning into a string of atolls will people know the price of inaction. Many of us will not see this in our lifetime, yet we do know it is coming with observation of current events. Most certainly, we who do know it is coming do not want this event to occur. However, stupid does as stupid cares.

See you around Nadin K & R

.

[nadinbrzezinski]

173. I thik I will see Miami

and we will see a couple pacific islands go away in the next 25 years or so. Those don't matter, I forget. they are not in the US.

As to San Diego... it is starting actually, Some of the flooding this year was a preview. Areas that hardly ever flood, did, several times.

It is past time politicians actually speak these truths, and in plain language that even the most dullard of voters can stop pretending. It is time to put Hansen on TV as well. They do this in other countries where people are demanding action from their political class.

[mrdmk]

186. A year and a half ago, it was fun seeing all of the snow in Murrieta, CA

What was even more amusing was watching all of the idiots parking their cars on Interstate 15 (info: I15 is a eight lane freeway with a 70 mph speed limit), then getting all of the kids out to play in the snow along the side of the road. The snow was there for two weeks and there was an abundance of idiots.

Do you think the above idiots who are able to purchase and maintain a vehicle are going to their political representative to be honest to them?

.

[nadinbrzezinski]

198. Well change will come

We will be forced to eat our peas, even if not necessarily they are cooked the way we want

[NCTraveler]

177. "and to those HRC supporters who did the shit they did personally to me,"

"If HRC gets indicted that will be fun to watch." nadinbrzezinski

[nadinbrzezinski]

180. And that is different from questioning my borth city

my profession, my job, who I am and all that I do. KEEP IT UP, you are one of them.



And yes, if she gets indicted it will be what it will be. I expect 8 years of Clinton drama in the best of cases. But since I expect that, I won't be disappointed, now will I?

[NCTraveler]

183. Where have I questioned your borth city?

"And yes, if she gets indicted it will be what it will be."

What you actually said was:

"If HRC gets indicted that will be fun to watch."

Not only that, the quote is from a site that provides a safe haven for racists, bigots, and sexists. Some of the most grand bullies on the internet. Truly relentlessly aggressive bullies.

[nadinbrzezinski]

185. And the difference is that I stand by it

if she gets indicted it will be fun.

And now the bully is calling me a bully.

Is this bully me day? How original, SO now will be 24 -7 until I leave? Better people have tried and failed so far.

I wish you luck with that one

Fucking hiarlious.

[NCTraveler]

188. I have never bullied you. That is flat out absurd.

I truly wish you the best Nadine. Nothing but the best.

[nadinbrzezinski]

193. Enough have

But you used those words I posted as a weapon. That was the intent. You also ignore that an indictment is good for the news business. And yes, I have been working on a time line. If it comes I will have to explain it to readers. Some will celebrate (evil, see,,,that be Eurasia) while East Asians will be really taken by surprise and truly crestfallen. In the meantime the rest of us get to see the bouncy

[NCTraveler]

194. I did not use your words as a weapon in any way.

I highlighted your thoughts as they pertain to the issue being discussed. They are your words and thoughts. Interesting you find them to be a weapon.

I appreciate your "enough have" comment. I know that is as close as I will get to you saying you were wrong and shouldn't have swept me up in your broad brush comments. It is the behavior of a bully not being able to just state your were wrong, but I will take it none the less.

Take care Nadine and good luck on your time lines.

[nadinbrzezinski]

195. Whatever

From where I sit you tried to weaponize it.

But thanks. I will have fun with the timeline. It is what it is

[NCTraveler]

196. "you tried to weaponize it. "

As I said, not in any way at all. I'm not sure why you find your own thoughts to be a weapon.

You are projecting. I told you I was not using them as a weapon. They are your complete thoughts. Not taken out of context. Not mangled. Your direct thoughts. I simply don't see them as a weapon. I now understand your feelings about your thoughts.

[nadinbrzezinski]

197. Point in the OP where I mentioned the Emails

As severe potentially as I think they can be, I keep that discussion off DU and with close friends anymore. If it becomes an issue I will write my news stories, and mostly watch. DU has a long list of subjects that it is really not worth discussing anymore.

If you find any reference to the emails on the OP, I left them out and instead concentrated on the issue that emails or not will happen anyway. One that I don't believe most American politicians are ready to deal with.

And wish you luck in not losing that star struck quality in your candidates. I find that to be a problem but perhaps Americans will grow up politically some day

[NCTraveler]

199. It adds a lot to the mindset of the op. That is very clear.

"And wish you luck in not losing that star struck quality in your candidates."

I have never been star struck by any candidate.

"I find that to be a problem "

You literally just made up that I am star struck and then stated you find it to be a problem. The problem is in your imagination. I am not star struck by Clinton, Sanders, and wasn't by my preferred candidate O'Malley. That is projection on your part to make a false point.

[nadinbrzezinski]

200. Well if you want to adress climate change

2 degrees centigrade and 400 ppm fine. If not well whatever. Issues really don't happen here either

[NCTraveler]

201. Climate change is a serious issue. No doubt about it.

Lots of great information here.


Climate change and clean energy

Making America the world’s clean energy superpower and meeting the climate challenge.



Hillary will:

• Create good-paying jobs by making the United States the clean energy superpower of the 21st century.


• Set national goals to have 500 million solar panels installed; generate enough renewable energy to power every home in America; cut energy waste in homes, schools, and hospitals by a third; and reduce American oil consumption by a third.


•Lead the world in the fight against climate change by bringing greenhouse gas emissions to 30 percent below what they were in 2005 within the next decade—and keep going.


“I won’t let anyone take us backward, deny our economy the benefits of harnessing a clean energy future, or force our children to endure the catastrophe that would result from unchecked climate change.”
Hillary, NOVEMBER 29, 2015

Climate change is an urgent threat and a defining challenge of our time—and Hillary Clinton has a plan to tackle it by making America the world’s clean energy superpower, taking bold steps to slash carbon pollution at home and around the world, and ensuring no Americans are left out or left behind as we rapidly build a clean energy economy.

2015 was the warmest year on record—and 15 of the 16 hottest years on record have come just since 2001. Already, American families are seeing the impacts of climate change with their own eyes, from the record drought in California to the frequently flooded streets of Miami and Annapolis. While climate deniers continue to ignore settled science because it does not suit their political agenda, and climate defeatists doubt America’s ability to meet this challenge, Hillary knows that America is fully up to the task.

Already, U.S. carbon pollution has been cut to its lowest level since 1995. Wind power has expanded three fold and solar power 30-fold since 2008. But that’s not enough to tackle the climate challenge, meet America’s carbon pollution reduction goals, or to compete for the $13.5 trillion of global clean energy investment unlocked by the historic international climate change agreement reached in Paris. We can and must go further.



That’s why on day one, Hillary will set bold, national goals that will be achieved within ten years of her taking office:

•Generate enough renewable energy to power every home in America, with half a billion solar panels installed by the end of Hillary’s first term.


• Cut energy waste in American homes, schools, hospitals and offices by a third and make American manufacturing the cleanest and most efficient in the world.



•Reduce American oil consumption by a third through cleaner fuels and more efficient cars, boilers, ships and trucks.




Hillary’s plan is designed to deliver on the pledge President Obama made at the Paris climate conference last December—without relying on climate deniers in Congress to pass new legislation. Her plan will reduce greenhouse gas emissions by up to 30 percent in 2025 relative to 2005 levels and put the country on a path to cut emissions more than 80 percent by 2050. Her approach will catalyze new investment and economic opportunity across the country, create hundreds of thousands of new jobs, reduce energy bills and save families money, make our country more secure, and protect our families and communities from pollution.


As president, Hillary will:

• Defend, implement, and extend smart pollution and efficiency standards, including the Clean Power Plan, which will prevent 3,600 premature deaths and 90,000 asthma attacks annually, and efficiency standards for cars, trucks and appliances that are already reducing energy costs for American households and businesses by over $75 billion per year.


• Launch a $60 billion Clean Energy Challenge to partner with states, cities, and rural communities and give them the tools and resources they need to go beyond federal standards in cutting carbon pollution and expanding clean energy. The Clean Energy Challenge will also help ensure all Americans share in the benefits of a clean energy economy by encouraging solar and energy efficiency investments in low-income communities.


•Invest in clean energy infrastructure, innovation, manufacturing and workforce development to make the U.S. economy more competitive and create good paying jobs and careers. Hillary has a comprehensive plan for making existing energy infrastructure cleaner and safer, unlocking new investment, and forging a climate compact with Canada and Mexico to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and accelerate clean energy deployment across the continent.


•Ensure safe and responsible energy production. As we transition to a clean energy economy, we must ensure that the fossil fuel production taking place today is safe and responsible and that areas too sensitive for energy production are taken off the table. Hillary knows there are some places where we should keep fossil fuels in the ground or under the ocean.







•Reform leasing on public lands. As president, Hillary would reform fossil fuel leasing and significantly expand clean energy production on public lands, from wind in Wyoming to solar in Nevada.


•End wasteful tax subsidies for oil and gas companies. Oil and gas companies have enjoyed billions in tax breaks for decades. Hillary would end those wasteful subsidies and invest in clean energy.


•Cut methane emissions across the economy. Hillary would cut emissions of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas, by 40-45 percent and put in place strong standards for reducing leaks from both new and existing sources.


•Revitalize coal communities. Building a 21st century clean energy economy will create new jobs and industries, protect public health, and reduce carbon pollution. But we can’t ignore the impact this transition is already having on coal communities. Hillary’s $30 billion plan to revitalize coal communities will ensure coal miners, power plant operators, transportation workers, and their families get the respect they deserve and the benefits they have earned; invest in economic diversification and job creation; and make coal communities an engine of US economic growth in the 21st century, as they have been for generations.


• Make environmental justice and climate justice central priorities. Across America, air pollution, water pollution, and toxic sites are disproportionately impacting low-income communities and communities of color—and climate change will make that impact even more severe. Hillary will set a bold national goal to eliminate lead poisoning as a public health risk within five years, create new economic opportunity by cleaning up the more than 450,000 toxic brownfield sites across the country, expand solar and energy efficiency solutions in low-income communities, and include the voices of community leaders, the environmental justice movement, and outside experts in taking on these challenges with a new Environmental and Climate Justice Task Force.


“Every child and every family in America deserves clean air to breathe, clean water to drink, and a safe and healthy place to live. This a justice issue. It’s a civil rights issue. And as president, it will be a national priority for us.”
Hillary, APRIL 13, 2016

So much more at this link.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/

[nadinbrzezinski]

203. Adress fracking

As to Mexico and Canada...been ongoing for a while. How do you think SDGE is meeting those RPS? Sierra Juarez.

But leaving fossils in the ground is the chief, or should be the priority. And that is the little issue that she has yet to adress. And I have read that repeteadly by the way.

There are several critiques about that. But just strictly from the energy compact with Mexico and Canada it is a coordination of a policy that requires at least Mexico to produce our electricity in wind energy, for example in the Sierra Juarez, instead of internal consumption. It also still relies on the natural gas plant in Ensenafa that is seen as a strategic asset of the US and still in Mexican courts

Did I mention natural gas is still fossil fuels. what is needed is a Manhattan project to get the species off fossils in ten years, including natural gas

And fracking has nasty effects with water. How will a Clinton administration deal with that? From what I read from her that is still fuzzy. Before you scream Sanders so is his plan.

[NCTraveler]

205. I can't make sense out of two of your paragraphs.

Truly no clue on two of them. Additionally, it is Clinton vs Trump. I thought you were going to show how his position is superior to Clintons.

As for fracking we need much better oversight and regulation. I would currently like to see the process stopped until more regulations are in place.

"get the species off fossils in ten years, including natural gas"

Would not be possible in any way at all. No candidate is calling for it. There is no real backing for it as far as I'm aware from any country out there.

[nadinbrzezinski]

206. Netherlands is taking a huge step

Towards that. No fossil fuel vehicles (new) after 2020

They have been hit hard though

[NCTraveler]

208. And that is enormously different than what you stated.

I do thank you for adding that anecdote. Cheers to them on such a bold move. It is impressive and inspiring.

I believe we can make pretty drastic changes and generate tons of excellent jobs and stay strong economically in many areas. The issue is that it would have to be government driven and would involve picking and choosing winners, creating winners, crushing industries, and enormous imperfection. I'm ready for it. Not the ten year plan you mention, but drastic. I'm not sure people really think about how much the necessary changes will impact the country and so much will have to be done by governments. Local, state, and Fed.

We aren't even close but I do see progress in direction of thought among my peers.

[zappaman]

184. Yeah, the Democratic nominee being indicted would be a hoot, wouldn't it?

Some miserable people want everyone else to be miserable as well it seems.

[MadDAsHell]

190. Yep; the "our politicans must be 'rock stars'" mentality in the D party is embarassing...

These are POLITICIANS. They are not there for you and me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

192. It is both parties (major parties)

And this is one reason for the discussions we have. As much as I can call them discussions that is

[felix_numinous]

191. K&R Well said

Nadin thank you for all your postings.