DNC Insiders Beg Sanders to Drop Out -- Fear HRC Cannot Win Otherwise.

[grasswire]

more excellent stuff at the link.


http://reverbpress.com/politics/battlegrounds/dnc-insiders-beg-sanders-drop-fear-clinton-cannot-win-otherwise/


Sanders Dissed At Roundtable Event

Politico hosted a “POLITICO Caucus” roundtable event, where a panel of Democratic party agents, insiders, operatives and strategists were sat down and asked about the state of the election. What Politico showed was a divided panel, with a very high level of distortion coming from the Hillary supporters on it. The panel was sharply divided, with one half believing that Sanders should drop out of the race, the sooner the better. The other half felt he needed to stay in until the end.

The actual answers the pro-Hillary half gave however indicates a deeper problem among her supporters, who seem unable to grasp the reality that their candidate is not actually in as strong a position as they’d want going into the convention.

One caucus member from Wisconsin:

He stands no chance of winning the nomination at this point, and the Democrats can show a united front while the Republicans are so deeply fractured.

Another from Florida:

The primary is over. There is no path, and there is no math.
One from New Hampshire:

If any adults actually supported Bernie, they would tell him to get out next Wednesday morning.

Most telling on this logical disconnect was this one from another Wisconsin democrat:

He should also do what Hillary did in ’08.

In 2008, Hillary Clinton refused to bow out until the primaries were over. In fact, she did not formally concede the race until almost a week had passed. Sanders has already indicated that should he not triumph in his campaign for pledged delegates by the end of the primary season, he will support Clinton. For her supporters, people who are well-connected into the DNC, to call for him to drop out now, instead of later, is suspicious. And when we look at the 2008 primary, the reason why is clear. For the last two months of primaries, Clinton won 58 percent of the pledged delegates. At this time, Sanders only needs to win this same 58 percent of the remaining delegates, matching this ratio. If this same ratio holds true, Sanders would win the primary season by the barest handful of delegates, and that is what Clinton is now afraid of.

The fear at this point is not in Sanders splitting the Democrats, but in Sanders beating Clinton. While some will claim that there is no math to support him, in reality the math does still support Sanders. This is a point of denial for the supporters of Clinton, and demonstrates a bubble of distortion in place around the campaign.

[bobbobbins01]

1. Haha, easy fix for this.

They should just back him. He can win.

[grasswire]

2. This, yes!

It's so simple!

No drama. No impeachment. No allegiance to special interests. No wars of choice. No corruption.

Just good, calm governance.

Which is why the MSM is ignoring him. He will be dull. Nothing for them to beat up or fixate on.

[Scuba]

14. ^^This^^

[Blue_In_AK]

54. Exactly!

It's the potential for unending drama that has me feeling particularly skeptical about a Clinton presidency.

Rightly or wrongly, the Republicans will be investigating her unendingly. I just don't see that happening with a Sanders presidency. I'm not saying that they won't oppose him vigorously, but I think they will have trouble finding personal scandals to pursue.

[snowy owl]

95. I'm a die-hard Bernie fan but you know they'll dig up dirt just like HRC did.

There's no difference and they may be much, much dirtier. It is all in how they spin it. Have to be honest here.

Remember how false their advertising was for healthcare? I guess the only difference is that Trump isn't really one of them either. But it will be nasty.

[GoLeft2004]

57. + 1

K & R.

[MisterP]

71. no vengeance: most of Clinton's hierarchy support is out of fear that she'll retaliate

should she win; even Blasio revealed how grossed out the past few months campaigning for her made him feel

I have news for the delegates who think they're on her side: if you didn't give 104%, if you didn't go out of your way to slam, smear, and steal--you're her enemy, too

should she win, that's a few thousand princes of the party that almost lost the nom for her, and now she has full power and authority within the party and an absolute lock on every lever of power for four years

save your own necks

[senz]

7. That's true! Why are they pushing a fatally flawed candidate

when they could so easily have a clear cut winner in Bernie?

[Art_from_Ark]

8. Beats me

It's almost like they're closet Republicans.

[Ferd Berfel]

61. It's Clinton or Bust for them

Because the DNC and Clinton puppet masters can control her and the organization directly, they can't control Bernie at least directly.

meaning they would have to throw up road blocks with Berine. With Clinton they just tell her what they want.

[senz]

65. Good point. She'll play their game. Bernie won't.

And that's why we need Bernie.

[Ferd Berfel]

66. Point senz !

[Rockyj]

74. Hillary DROP OUT NOW!

You're corrupt campaign, million $ trolls and lies will never WIN over Bernie supporters. Time for you to drop out so we can win against GOP!

[grasswire]

88. this should be posted in EVERY thread that calls for him to go.

Get out of the way, Hillary.

[highprincipleswork]

3. If these assholes would start worrying about what they are going to do to include Sanders supporters

and those like-minded Independents and Republicans who are attracted to his message into the Democratic Party, instead of messing with our own "right to choose", they would be a lot better off.

Or yes, they could of course just back Bernie, the person with the best likelihood of winning a general election in my opinion and in the opinion of poll after poll for months now.

But, failing this, at least figure out how to include all the many who support him, instead of dissing with them, messing with their heads, etc. How about reassuring them that Hillary actually is as Progressive as her supporters keep saying she is?

[silvershadow]

4. And they have been warned over and over. If we lose this, it will be her fault, not his.

She is the far weaker candidate.

[grasswire]

5. By far.

Oh, you said far.

Are you up all night? I'm getting sleepy.

[silvershadow]

6. Ha. Yeah, but getting tired myself. I'm a night owl most nights. :)

[Maedhros]

56. The McGovern debacle soured the Party on liberal candidates for DECADES.

If Hillary bludgeons the nomination away from Sanders and blows it in the General, then hopefully the "Hillary Debacle" will sour the Party on corporatist neoliberal charlatans for a few decades.

[Peace Patriot]

9. There is another possibility: that neither achieves the magic number...

...and we go into a contested convention, with Sanders showing national poll numbers of very high favorability and trustworthiness, while Clinton's favorability and trustworthy numbers are in the toilet; and with Sanders furthermore 10 pts up on Trump, while Clinton only ties him (or beats him by just a few pts--I can't recall which). Earlier national matchups had Sanders beating all Republicans and Clinton losing to a couple of them.

Another factor at the convention may be Clinton's dirty campaign. Long list of dirty, most of it Brock; also NY and AZ, if a whistleblower comes forth--but even without direct evidence, it looks dirty, and where else has it been dirty? Some of her supporters may be sick of her by then, and also worried about the FBI investigation and losing confidence that she could win the GE. Trump (or any Republican) will surely rub her face in all of her corruption. Just how far are establishment Democrats willing to go in defense of some of her most dubious actions (her private email server, her lies about her private email server, the Wall Street speeches, Libya, Honduras, the Clinton Foundation pay-to-play with SOB's like the Saudis)? Hard to say. They haven't balked at any of it yet, which doesn't say much for them. But that could change in a contested convention.

Actually, I think this is a quite possible outcome of the primaries. "The math" favors Clinton to reach the magic number but it is not certain at all that she will. Sanders can still reach it. And Sanders can prevent her from reaching it.

I agree with your assessment of the Clinton supporters at this meeting. They are aware that Sanders can still win it, or at the least prevent her from winning. And THAT is why they want Sanders to drop out.

They may also perceive how bad Sanders makes Clinton look. She really is a terrible candidate, and every day that he's running against her, her corruption and hypocrisy are all the more emphasized by comparison to him. This is, of course, not his fault. It's her fault. And it certainly is no reason for him to drop out--to make a bad candidate look better!

[Demsrule86]

21. Are you a Gop?

There is no magic number. She is ahead...supers will put her over the top in a near unanimous first ballot vote...just as they did with Obama...so no contested convention...that is the Republican way. In our primaries...Democrats choose the nominee by pledged delegates. I am hoping that Bernie loses so badly that he gets out now. At this point, he is losing whatever integrity he had and hurting the general.

[MrMickeysMom]

30. Do you have a sense of history?

Become informed about super-delegates.

Yeah, you're hoping alright...

[Bohunk68]

33. I am noting that there are a bunch of posters with around 600+

posts and who joined about the same time, no gold stars. Most of whom are also not willing to serve on a jury. Almost all of whom display at least an anti-Bernie statement in their posts. I wonder if Herr Brock is involved with them.

[MrMickeysMom]

34. Generally, this goes along with his latest methods of trolling the internets...

I see them.

[Bohunk68]

35. I agree. Have been noting these characters for the past

couple of weeks. Just trying to not outright call them Herr Brock-Bros.

[MrMickeysMom]

39. Either that, or...

Her Rotten Campaign

[appalachiablue]

42. +1

[amborin]

46. excellent post that really sums it up

[grasswire]

82. well put, and totally accurate. nt

[senz]

10. Hm. This might explain why she looked so angry at the Town Hall tonight.

She started out very grumpy. He looked annoyed, too. Maybe they had words ahead of time?

Hill has been aiming for the presidency for 16 years.

[Carolina]

18. which just goes to prove that

it's all about her

[appalachiablue]

43. Didn't see it but was it like this, angry...

[bemildred]

11. So now they are afraid too? Not just us supposed to be afraid, but they are too now? nt

[Renew Deal]

12. The math speaks for itself

And it's going to speak again tonight

[Jitter65]

13. Let him stay. Everyone needs to see and know exactly who Bernie is.

He is a user from way back.

[grasswire]

19. do you know how preposterous that is? nt

[Demsrule86]

23. We know who he is

after last night...he said he will attempt to overturn the primary...all you need to know.

[frylock]

67. Someone is using.

[cherokeeprogressive]

91. This reply left intentionally blank.

[Uncle Joe]

15. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, grasswire.

[SidDithers]

16. Oh FFS...

Sid

[stillwaiting]

17. Sanders could help build progressive state democratic parties in states that have

Not voted yet.

They do NOT want this to happen. And, they still demand progressive votes. It's abusive at this point.

[metroins]

37. There is no evidence for that

He hasn't been a major political force for the past 25 years. It's highly unlikely he'll magically start helping at the local level outside of his home state.

[bvf]

20. Clinton campaign plan:

1. Keep lying until nominated.
2. Lose election.
3. Blame everyone who didn't swallow the lies.

[SharonClark]

48. Sanders campaign plan:

1. Keep lying until nominated.
2. Lose election.
3. Blame everyone who didn't swallow the lies.

[bvf]

49. A perfect illustration of the Clinton approach.

[pdsimdars]

59. Yea, mindless

[frylock]

68. They're so clever and creative.

[catnhatnh]

50. 96% of your posts are in the HRC group???

Wow-that's dedication!

[beedle]

52. LOL - another 'original thought' by a Hillary supporter

You know plagiarism is frowned upon? No, of course you don't, you're a Hillary supporter.

[Vinca]

22. The party elites should be begging Bernie to stay in.

The longer he does, the less time the GOP will focus their time reciting the encyclopedia of Clinton scandals. They've got this bizarro notion that after Bernie drops out it will be smooth sailing to the White House. Meanwhile, even if she isn't indicted, the GOP will be convincing the public she should be in the big house.

[Demsrule86]

29. Who needs Republicans

When Bernie supporters resurrect every scandal and quote Fox news, Breitbart, Trump supporters etc. Sorry, you folks are doing the heavy lifting for the Republicans. What does that make you? Proud I suppose ...after all helping elect a Republican president is your new mission in life it seems.

[Vinca]

32. Why do Hillary supporters bury their heads in the sand?

If she's the nominee it isn't going to be sunshine and rainbows. It's going to be reliving a 1990's soap opera (X-rated) with new criminal charges thrown in. That will be coming whether Bernie supporters say bad things about Hillary or sing a rousing song called "We Love Hillary."

[frylock]

69. It's called vetting.

[JoePhilly]

24. Cool story bro.

[MrMickeysMom]

25. OF COURSE, she can't win otherwise...

This is why there's a lot of wet pants spinning out of control on this board.

[LexVegas]

26. Jesus.

[Betty Karlson]

27. If this is so: STAY IN BERNIE!!!!

[TCJ70]

28. Headline re-write: 74 YEAR OLD SOCIALIST SCARES CANDIDATE WITH BIG RESUME!

How little faith must they have in her? They've spent months declaring him unelectable, ignoring him, insulting his supporters and NOW they're worried? Probably should have taken a different approach from the start. As the article says, she saw it through to the end, he should as well.

[pdsimdars]

60. And hasn't she just about tapped her donors out?

[grasswire]

90. she's fund raising in Israel this week.

I guess that says it all.

[pdsimdars]

94. Yes, she's uniting the elite establishment around the whole world.

[notadmblnd]

31. Too effing bad!

Stay in it Bernie. I'm sending more money Friday.

[rock]

36. Stay in Bernie!

We don't have Nixon (et al) to kick around any more!

[Waiting For Everyman]

38. It isn't their choice to make, and it's presumption not math.

They are presuming how many delegates in each race will go to whom. Oh, really? They are fortune tellers now? How analytical and coldly objective of them! (not)

But the biggest point is, they have no say in the matter. It's up to Sanders, and his supporters. Period.

He doesn't have big donors who can pull the plug, and he hasn't had much media coverage throughout his campaign, so the media can't pull the plug on him either. Imagine how much he would be crushing Hillary if he had the equivalent of Trump's free "news" coverage all year.

And yes, I totally agree with the OP that the reason for "drop out mania" is they are worried he will win... and they're right to be worried, he probably will! Time is on Bernie's side, the more people hear about him the more his support grows.

In any challenge I believe it's always good to do the opposite of what an opponent wants, and that's exactly what he's doing. Good for him! Go Bernie!

AND I WILL BE VOTING FOR HIM TODAY IN MD!!! It's by far the best vote of my lifetime, and I'm 66. There's no way I want my friends on the other coast to miss the chance to do the same!


This is dedicated to the Clintonites, who are newly so afraid of time -- I would be too in their shoes, but I won't bring up that bad 3-letter "F" word...

Time Is (It's A Beautiful Day, 1969)

"Time is too slow for those who wait
And time is too swift for those who fear
Time is too long for those who grieve
And time is too short for those that laugh
...
But for those who love,
But for those who really love,
But for those who love,
Time, sweet time, precious time,
Lovely time, all the time,
Time, time, time, time, time, time
Time, time, time, time, time,
Is eternity... "

(Just a random trivia note for the heck of it... They are one of the best bands I ever saw, at Finnegan's Rainbow in Long Beach CA where David Bowie who was an unknown, opened for them. I like this song, but "White Bird" is my favorite, and one of a few that people still associate with me to this day. If anyone hasn't heard it, highly recommended. David LaFlamme, who had been a concert violinist with the Utah symphony, was astonishing on violin, which I could appreciate having played it some too back in the day.)

Another very slow cup of coffee, and then off to vote!

Oh, why not; I'd make this a link above but it doesn't seem to work... for those who have some TIME to kill, like me right now, check out the violin crescendo...

Time for us to fly! Let's do this, voters!

[appalachiablue]

44. Go Maryland! Thanks for your vote, and the songs, they're wonderful.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

72. love white bird!

Went to college in the Seventies. Loved them!

[ViseGrip]

40. She dissed the Sanders supporters on MSNBC! She says she has the delegates

so it's over. She thinks we are robots who go into a booth just because of the math? It's the worst line of the debate! SHE may not have enough either. They will make their cases at the convention.

That's better anyway. Usually they are just fundraisers and floor speeches, as the nominee is usually already chosen. Not this time!

A real convention and platform.

Still can't get over we have to ask Hillary for a ban on fracking.

Just another reason she is not the leader we need. The Clintons have sucked, and continue to suck via the 'foundation' every once of energy, dollars they can. BE GONE!

[kstewart33]

41. They're 'begging' ?

I don't think so.

[randome]

64. It's cute, isn't it? And then they showcase one caucus member.

There is a disconnect, all right. It's with the vituperative Sanders supporters.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[amborin]

45. HRC to Bernie: Drop out now or you will win

[ViseGrip]

47. ^^THIS^^ TRUTH IN A NUTSHELL VERSION!

[blm]

51. They should shut up and give voters the opportunity to cast the votes

they have wanted to cast in the primary. It's stupid to try and redirect primary votes at this point.

Unnecessary harassment.

[HooptieWagon]

53. Good idea. Maybe she can beg Trump to drop out in Oct.

It appears she's too weak to go the distance.

[AzDar]

55. If she sleazes her way to the Nomination...we will LOSE. They've been warned many times...

[pdsimdars]

58. They want him to drop out before Hillary gets indicted so they can then pick their own candidate.

[Ferd Berfel]

63. Now that's an interesting thought

hadn't occurred to me.
But whoever the neo-dem 'leadership' picked you can bet they would be RW and more than wall Street friendly.

Status quo to the right

[grasswire]

75. yes, likely nt

[pdsimdars]

62. Or, maybe they fear that if he stays in, they'll keep having to rig the elections and may get caught

[rhett o rick]

70. Clinton can't win the general. We've been trying to tell them but now they

want to blame that on Sanders. If you want Trump, vote Clinton.

[Samantha]

73. She wants him to drop out so she can slurp up the remaining delegates and enter the convention

an uncontested winner. She also doesn't want to have to spend any more money trying to hold Sanders back.

Who can't see through this?

Sam

[dubyadiprecession]

76. Can't win against trump or cruz? Excuse me..

a moment.

[BillZBubb]

78. You have an image of FDR and you support Hillary? Oh, the irony.

FDR: "I welcome their hatred!"

Hillary: "I welcome their money!"

[Mike__M]

77. Is there ANY chance at all now

no matter what he might do, that Bernie could ever see his name removed from the Clinton enemy list?

[grasswire]

83. I don't think he cares about that, frankly.

It's a sad day in America when politicians have to grovel before a corrupt candidate who is under FBI investigation.

[pdsimdars]

79. I think they want to fet the nomination for her before the indictment.

[yuiyoshida]

80. K&R

n/t.

[southerncrone]

81. Screw 'em.

[kgnu_fan]

84. NOT GIVING UP!

[grasswire]

85. NEVER

Paul Wellstone: "Stand up! Keep fighting!"

[kgnu_fan]

86. We will go all the way to the Convention.

[grasswire]

87. Friday I'm donating again. nt

[kgnu_fan]

89. Yes, little by little.

[Warren DeMontague]

92. Florida Insiders, with their finger on the pulse of the electorate!

Like the way Debbie Wasserman Schultz knows that putting granny in prison for eating a pot brownie is a politically winning position!

[cherokeeprogressive]

93. Flawed candidate. Can't win if there's an opponent.