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dana_b

(11,546 posts)
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:43 PM Apr 2016

More funny business with the Dem ballots - this time in Philly

From twitter:

Sara Cohen ?@saracohennyc Apr 23 Airmont, NY
#DNC and Hillary Clinton camp Sending Out Ballots Without Bernie Sanders on Them To Old People in #PAprimary



Barkley4Bernie Retweeted
Vladimir ?@vazykov Apr 23
@ClamorousKelli @saracohennyc @MaggyCheco absolutely real, they were in my bldg in NW Philly as well:


WHY do we have to go through this EVERY time?

edit - I just noticed it says "Bring this ballot with you to the polls" at the bottom.

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More funny business with the Dem ballots - this time in Philly (Original Post) dana_b Apr 2016 OP
Most likely not from the #DNC. Agschmid Apr 2016 #1
This is weird, it lists Fetterman for Senate, no mention of either Sestak or McGinty MgtPA Apr 2016 #2
It appears that this is... pat_k Apr 2016 #8
whoever they are shouldn't put "official ballot" on the top dana_b Apr 2016 #14
That is skeevy. winter is coming Apr 2016 #16
beyond sneaky pat_k Apr 2016 #20
"Caring Philadelphia" is a FAKE front for Brock organisation FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #26
Is this a founded or unfounded accusation? Sheepshank Apr 2016 #40
Fetterman would be a spoiler for leading independent Dem Sestak Divernan Apr 2016 #33
I was so disappointed when Obama and Biden endorsed McGinty, clearly an anti-Sestak move. MgtPA Apr 2016 #36
What is "Caring Philadelphia"? I can't find pat_k Apr 2016 #3
the guy who posted one of them said that they dana_b Apr 2016 #5
Anyone with an IQ above 5th grade knows it's campaign material. RandySF Apr 2016 #11
Anyone with an IQ above 98 knows that age and IQ are not wholly dependent on each other! nt TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #18
Campaign material labeled "OFFICIAL BALLOT". Sleazy as fuck. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #27
Most likely BS camp trying to make it look like HC camp fraud. Jitter65 Apr 2016 #4
Camp Clinton putting out fake stuff to debunk to discredit the real fraud going on is Skwmom Apr 2016 #6
Alex Jones false flag shit. Man. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #13
"How many times, in how may states are we to believe it's just "coincidences?" Chasstev365 Apr 2016 #29
It's a political endorsement flyer. Not a ballot. You can't turn it in as your vote, but you can LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #7
interesting. It could sure be confusing to some folks dana_b Apr 2016 #12
It clearly indicates "OFFICIAL BALLOT" in all caps. Nowhere is there a visible disclaimer. nt NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #28
These kind of flyers pop up anywhere during every election LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #37
I've never seen one before, but I'm sure it's all on the up-and-up NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #38
That is NOT an official ballot. RandySF Apr 2016 #9
The only 'funny stuff' Dem2 Apr 2016 #10
It's slimy and dishonest to label it "official ballot". n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #17
Only if you have any decency and ethics. Gwhittey Apr 2016 #19
I'm not sure what you're implying here Dem2 Apr 2016 #35
Here's an OFFICIAL answer from a former Philadelphia Ward Committeeman (me)... brooklynite Apr 2016 #15
So umm, printing "OFFICIAL BALLOT" on it is totally not sleazy at all. Right? Bonobo Apr 2016 #21
Doesn't bother me in the slightest... brooklynite Apr 2016 #22
It's shady. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #23
Here's a solution... brooklynite Apr 2016 #25
I recall there was a similar sample ballot posted from one of in early voting states Sheepshank Apr 2016 #41
This is a list of recommendations. I've seen things like this before. Zynx Apr 2016 #24
Complain to the election board Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #30
A Tricky Dick (Nixon) dirty trick! Way to emulate Nixon, DNC & Hillary! Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #32
LOL @ the Internet warriors firebrand80 Apr 2016 #34
The coast to coast irregularities continue. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #39

MgtPA

(1,022 posts)
2. This is weird, it lists Fetterman for Senate, no mention of either Sestak or McGinty
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:49 PM
Apr 2016

There's some malpractice going on here...

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
8. It appears that this is...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:55 PM
Apr 2016

...recommendations for voting from "Caring Philadelphia," but I haven't been able to find anything on the organization on the web.

(In second image have "Vote No on Ballot Question 1; Vote Yes..." so it is definitely telling people how "Caring Philadelphia" thinks they should vote.)

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
16. That is skeevy.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:02 AM
Apr 2016

Sending out "sample ballots" that are actually endorsements is one thing, but labeling them "official ballot"?

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
20. beyond sneaky
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:34 AM
Apr 2016

Seems fraudulent misrepresentation.

Perhaps what's on the other side of the flyer saves it from being completely dishonest.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
40. Is this a founded or unfounded accusation?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:49 PM
Apr 2016

You make a statement and offer no proof, neither do you add that this is simply an opinion.

This is as bad as the sample ballot in the picture.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
33. Fetterman would be a spoiler for leading independent Dem Sestak
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:52 AM
Apr 2016

Thus allowing pro-fracking Katie Mcginty to win primary. Fetterman's a good guy, but next to no experience and polling only 15% in the race. He takes votes away from Sestak, not corporate darling, Katie McGinty. McGinty has endorsed Clinton and has gotten over $4 million in outside money from Big Energy and the Dem. Senate Campaign Committee. That's millions of dollars which should have gone to whomever wins the Dem. primary in the general election race against GOP/club for growth, incumbent Senator Pat Toomey.

While McGinty was Rendell's appointed secretary of the state's Department of Environmental Protection,
she awarded millions of dollars of state contracts to corporate employers of her husband (a fracking lobbyist). She was investigated and censured by the state ethics commission, which warned her if she did it again, she would spend 10 years in prison. Her boss, Fast Eddie Rendell, then the governor and now a fracking lobbyist himself, appealed that ruling to the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court. The Court upheld the ruling against Katie McGinty.

Compare (1)Hillary as Secretary of State/MIC-3rd world country "donations" to Clinton Foundation/record-breaking weapons purchases approved by State Departemnt to (2) McGinty Secretary of DEP/millions in state contracts from her dept. awarded to her lobbyist husband's
Big Energy/Fracking employers. The McGintys are like Clinton mini-me's.

My latest email from Senate candidate, retired Admiral/former congressman, Joe Sestak:


Nancy,
There is a lot at stake in this election, including clean water and people's health.

Just recently, researchers at the Johns Hopkins Health Review discovered that living near a Marcellus shale fracking well may increase pregnant women’s risk of giving birth prematurely:

“Environmental epidemiologist Brian Schwartz analyzed birth data from nearly 11,000 babies in 40 counties in Pennsylvania. He and fellow researchers compared that data with data on nearby fracking wells—there are more than 8,000 in the state. Living in the most active drilling regions was associated with a 40 percent increase in the likelihood of a pre-term birth and a 30 percent increase in the chance that the pregnancy was designated high-risk.” - Johns Hopkins Health Review, Spring/Summer 2016 edition

Nancy, I have been a longtime, consistent supporter of a moratorium on Marcellus shale fracking – until we can prove we can get it right. The EPA is forbidden from examining what they are putting into the ground, and we know that lead is used by frackers.

Despite this and other studies, my primary opponent unfortunately continues to support hydraulic fracking as Pennsylvania's “secret sauce,” and her campaign is partially funded by executives in the fracking industry.

In fact, in Congress I introduced legislation to close the Halliburton Loophole that allows fracking companies to keep secret the chemicals used in fracking fluid.

So when my opponent talks about fracking as Pennsylvania’s “secret sauce,” it reinforces why I am running: to be a leader who is accountable to people above anything else.

There is a lot at stake in this election, Nancy. Please pitch in today to ensure that your next Senator is looking out for you, not special interests, and not the fracking industry.

Warmly,
Joe


Here's more about pro-fracking McGinty:
– The McGinty DEP permitted 586 Marcellus Shale wells across PA, according to the DEP Permit Report. (PA DEP Permit Report) (interactive map, click “Map of Latitude”)Screen shot 2015-07-24 at 3.30.40 PM

– McGinty was reprimanded by the state Ethics Commission for giving the pro-fracking Pennsylvania Environmental Council $2.8 million in state grants while her husband, Karl Hausker, was employed as a consultant there. In 2009, the Supreme Court upheld an Ethics Commission ruling saying Cabinet secretaries in the future should have no role in grants that benefit spouses. (“Philly native Katie McGinty might be the political surprise of 2014“ -Philadelphia Inquirer)

The PR firm McGinty hired to do communications for her gubernatorial campaign is SKDKnickerbocker, who also represents TransCanada, owner of the controversial Keystone XL tar sands pipeline. From 2007-2013, her husband Karl Hausker was a vice president at ICM International, which was hired by the State Department to perform the environmental review of KXL and determined it would have no significant impact on the environment. (“Fracking’s Myriad Ties to Flawed State Dept Keystone XL Environmental Review” -DeSmogBlog)

- McGinty’s husband, Karl Hausker’s former firm, ICM International, wrote a report for the American Petroleum Institute praising shale gas exports. (“Ties That Bind: Ernest Moniz, Keystone XL Contractor, American Petroleum Institute and Fracked Gas Exports” – DeSmogBlog)
http://energyjusticesummer.org/candidate-katie-mcginty-the-environmentalist-for-fracking-fact-sheet/

MgtPA

(1,022 posts)
36. I was so disappointed when Obama and Biden endorsed McGinty, clearly an anti-Sestak move.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:50 AM
Apr 2016

This is payback for Sestak's not playing ball over the Arlen Specter party switch. I'm so sick of establishment Dems putting their thumbs on the scale of Pennsylvania primary races. Reminds me of Bill Clinton swooping into Bucks and Montgomery Counties during the PA Attorney General primary and parking his butt here for a week or so before the election, campaigning against Patrick Murphy (who was an early Obama supporter in 2008, pissing off the Clintons) and extolling the virtues of an unknown Kathleen Kane. We all know how that turned out. Anyone who thinks there isn't a Clinton Enemies List isn't paying attention.

I really like Fetterman, but he has almost zero name recognition here, so I'm supporting Sestak.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
3. What is "Caring Philadelphia"? I can't find
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:51 PM
Apr 2016

...the organization on the web.

I assume this is the organization's recommendations for voting, but calling that an "Official Ballot" strikes me as a fraudulent misrepresentation.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
5. the guy who posted one of them said that they
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:53 PM
Apr 2016

were delivered to his building and he thought that they were trying to mislead the older folks there. But I don't know what organization that is

TheBlackAdder

(28,189 posts)
18. Anyone with an IQ above 98 knows that age and IQ are not wholly dependent on each other! nt
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:12 AM
Apr 2016

.


Even though those tests are weighted for age, since intelligence is variable, one can't accurately make that claim.

Perhaps you meant anyone with an education level above a fifth grader.



But, I like how you discount that elderly people are often deceived by charlatans and tricksters.


.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
4. Most likely BS camp trying to make it look like HC camp fraud.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:52 PM
Apr 2016

This is not any official ballot. Just a desperate sham.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
6. Camp Clinton putting out fake stuff to debunk to discredit the real fraud going on is
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:54 PM
Apr 2016

what I would guess at....

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
29. "How many times, in how may states are we to believe it's just "coincidences?"
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:28 AM
Apr 2016

I'm not blaming Hillary's campaign directly, but clearly the DNC is playing BS GOP-like games with the Democratic primary process and it has to stop.

In Illinois the Cook Country Democratic Party gave out sample ballots that "accidentally" omitted Sanders name. That was no accident and there have been numerous "accidents" like this around the nation. Nickel and dime? Prehaps, but those nickels and dimes add up.

LuvLoogie

(6,999 posts)
7. It's a political endorsement flyer. Not a ballot. You can't turn it in as your vote, but you can
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:55 PM
Apr 2016

use it to guide you if you care about the "Caring Philadelphia" (whoever they are) endorsement.

But I'm sure The "Sane" Progressive and others will flag it as evidence of election rigging. Bernie couldn't possibly be actually losing. I mean look at the rallies!

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
12. interesting. It could sure be confusing to some folks
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:01 AM
Apr 2016

especially those who don't read it thoroughly or may think that it is a real ballot (because it says Official Ballot at the top!!).

I looked up the organization and couldn't find them.

LuvLoogie

(6,999 posts)
37. These kind of flyers pop up anywhere during every election
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:32 PM
Apr 2016

ever since I can remember. It's not election rigging. It's not a conspiracy against Bernie.

RandySF

(58,799 posts)
9. That is NOT an official ballot.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:58 PM
Apr 2016

That's a campaign mailer. Look at the bottom-left corner. "Vote NO on Ballot Question #1. Voye YES on Ballot Questions #2 and #3.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
10. The only 'funny stuff'
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:00 AM
Apr 2016

Is the search under every rock for a conspiracy.

This is just a flyer created by a fake organization.

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
15. Here's an OFFICIAL answer from a former Philadelphia Ward Committeeman (me)...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:58 AM
Apr 2016

Among the many definitions of OFFICIAL is "authorized or issued authoritatively". This was issued by CARING PHILADELPHIA and is their authorized list of endorsed candidates. Nowhere does it say it's from the State of Pennsylvania or the City of Philadelphia.

Sample ballots have been handed out for DECADES in Philly and in many other cities. If you want a conspiracy theory to harp on, you'll need a better one.

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
22. Doesn't bother me in the slightest...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:06 AM
Apr 2016

I suspect it wouldn't bother anyone is Sanders had been the preferred choice.

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
25. Here's a solution...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:17 AM
Apr 2016

Join the Party (like I did) and influence the decision making on endorsements.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
41. I recall there was a similar sample ballot posted from one of in early voting states
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:52 PM
Apr 2016

Similar sentiments, similar non issue

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
24. This is a list of recommendations. I've seen things like this before.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:13 AM
Apr 2016

I think there should be laws regulating how this is done to limit confusion, but this isn't unusual by any means. I've received things like this before.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
31. A Tricky Dick (Nixon) dirty trick! Way to emulate Nixon, DNC & Hillary!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:44 AM
Apr 2016

If you did not think the DNC is now republicon in mindset and at heart, it is the time to start your reevaluation.

Response to Kip Humphrey (Reply #31)

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