Is this the way Hillary's supporters are going to convince us to support her...

[ChisolmTrailDem]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by NH Ethylene (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1784886

...by calling Bernie "a real piece of shit"?

[morningfog]

1. There are a lot of assholes on the Internet.

[Maru Kitteh]

65. Here's one now

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511784739

[TM99]

2. It is how 'mean girls' roll.

They will enjoy their little Pyrrhic victory and either lose the primary because Clinton is not electable with an indictment over her head or lose the general because no one on the left outside of the 'in club' can stand the woman and her policies.

I have not met a single independent here that voted for Sanders that intends to vote the LOTE for Clinton in the GE. None. Not going to happen.

[jwirr]

40. Not to mention that there are Democrats who feel the same way.

[TM99]

63. I think more and more Democrats are

feeling this way.

[onecaliberal]

3. There is nothing they can say... What should we call them after they elect Trump?

[Chan790]

13. "Former Democrats" n/t

[Stuckinthebush]

4. He was talking about Weaver

And he is a jerk based on what he said on MSNBC.

It wasn't about Sanders

[still_one]

79. exactly

[Codeine]

5. The opinions of nameless people on an anonymous message board

will have zero impact on the actions and beliefs of a healthy person.

[Agschmid]

7. Also this.

[ismnotwasm]

18. I was going to say some similar

Then thought, "why bother?"--but I'm glad you did.

[Agschmid]

6. That's directed a Jeff Weaver not Bernie...

It's pretty clear.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

11. So that makes it better, I guess. I got hidden the other day for saying the same thing about...

...Kasie Hunt, the MSNBC correspondent.

[Agschmid]

19. It doesn't make it better...

But it does make this OP a false representation of the post you are calling out.

And worth an edit IMO.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

25. There was no specification on who the poster was referring to. You're just guessing...

It's Bernie's campaign, it's Bernie's decision to continue, not Weavers.

I'm not editing anything.

[Agschmid]

33. So when someone responds to an OP with the title...

Jeff Weaver just admitted on MSNBC that they don't care [View all]

It's not clear who they are talking about?

Lol.

Got it.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

48. Bernie is also mentioned in the body of the post and it's Bernie's candidacy and it's Bernie's...

...decision whether to continue or not.

I say the poster is referring to Bernie.

[1StrongBlackMan]

60. That's a pretty weak excuse ... er ... argument, since ...

The comment was made in a thread entitled:

Jeff Weaver just admitted on MSNBC that they don't care

[Sheepshank]

8. Hillary has been called worse

And those same people assumed that if Bernie won the nomination Hillary supporters would vote for him. It's only Bernie supporters that seem to be so vocal in making a Bernie or Bust stand. I'm not sure why you think we should believe you or any other Bernie Bro that there was a chance that you would vote vote Hillary under any circumstance, cussing out Bernie not withstanding.

[itsrobert]

20. +1

[Chan790]

21. I never assumed that.

I was working from the supposition we didn't need y'all and would be better off without you so we could more-easily deny Clintonites any input or standing in the future of the Democratic party.

[Sheepshank]

27. Oh ok

[Stallion]

9. I've Got a Single Thread on DU with about 200 Ugly, Vulgar Slurs of Clinton

you want to see it-here you go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1764004

[artislife]

26. Thanks, because they aren't far off.

[ebayfool]

51. The equivalent Sanders post was informative. Love to hear what you all think of Hillary, esp ...

That was a response to an equivalent thread about Bernie in 1 word. Did you complain about that one?

[BlueStater]

10. You know what I find interesting?

It's that not one of them can give a single reason why Hillary is worth supporting whatsoever. All they do is tear into Sanders.

[nc4bo]

30. I think you're right.

And Clinton just co-opts whatever Bernie says that sounds good. She's more about the "business opportunities" angle more than anything. Any crumbs coming our way is an after thought.

The Presidency would become one big giant slush fund for Clinton, Inc.

[boston bean]

12. After everything BSers have called Hillary, this is lame and tame in comparison.

Listen, if you would not vote for a any democrat over what the repugs are putting up, examine thyselfs political beliefs.

[underthematrix]

14. I believe Bernie supporters have said similar and actually worse things about

Hillary.

It is totally unnecessary. POCs, especially African Americans have had very little to say about Bernie because they were never going to vote for him. So why drag him? Unnecessary. The best strategy is to focus on the candidate you want. It doesn't require dogging the one you don't want.

[elleng]

15. That's how they roll.

[Zira]

16. Put them on ignore.The idocy of she won when it was a stolen election alone is enough to not listen.

had the voters been allowed to vote, she would not have gotten the delegates tonight. However the DNC switched a whole lot of dems to independent - again selling out it's own party. And they refuse to have open elections to let people register close to the election. A lot has changed in 8 months. hillary support has taken a nose dive. She didn't win. She got handed a stolen election. The actual voters wouldn't have picked her by a land slide and she and her supporters know it. It's why they don't want anyone registering as a democrat and voting on the day of the election or even within a month of it.

[Indydem]

36. Keep telling yourself that.

If that is how you can rationalize the fact that Bernie is, and always has been, a fraud.

Yeah, it was stolen! That's it!

[Zira]

46. Welcome to ignore.

[oberliner]

17. Your post is a lie

The post you link to has someone calling Jeff Weaver that name, not Bernie.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

38. No it's not. I don't know for sure that's who the poster was referring to. It's Bernie's campaign

and Bernie is mentioned in the post to which the poster responds.

Even if that's true (the poster doesn't specify so you don't know for sure), does that make it ok, to call Weaver a piece of shit?

[oberliner]

43. Yes it is

The poster does not call Bernie that.

For the record, I do not think it's cool to say that about Jeff Weaver.

[northernsouthern]

22. Yeah I am almost done with the party.

I hope he picks it up in the next few states, but this last week has t left me disgusted with all of them. They just keep bragging about keeping out independents and the youth and all I can see is the 72% that voted for him leaving this party. I am sure it will get better again, but they are posting some ugly posts.

[PeaceNikki]

23. That post called Jeff Weaver a real piece of shit. Not Sanders.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

28. Even if that's true (the poster doesn't specify so you don't know for sure), does that make it ok?

[PeaceNikki]

37. It is true.

And yeah, he's a campaign manager. Most are pieces of shit.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

41. I say the poster was referring to Bernie. The poster doesn't specify and you're only inferring. nt

[PeaceNikki]

45. Lol. Let's go ask.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

49. Go ahead, they'll just lie. nt

[Agschmid]

50. Like this OP.

[PeaceNikki]

53. It was pretty clear since he was replying to an OP about Weaver.

But here, I have some smelling saltsfor you...

[ChisolmTrailDem]

57. The OP was about Bernie's campaign continuing, Weaver just delivered the message. nt

[PeaceNikki]

58. It was about Weaver.

[Bobbie Jo]

24. It's Weaver.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

31. Even if that's true (the poster doesn't specify so you don't know for sure), does that make it ok?

right back at you!

[Bobbie Jo]

44. Yes

That makes it okay (AFAIC) and it also makes your post disingenuous.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

54. If it's ok to call Weaver a piece of shit, then why was my post hidden a couple of days ago where I

said the same thing about MSNBC's Kasie Hunt and her coverage of Bernie's campaign?

Why was my post hidden if it's ok to call someone a piece of shit?

[Bobbie Jo]

61. Ask your jury

They've been downright draconian toward others on this board.

Did you alert?

Hell, our own POTUS has been called a piece of shit smack dab in the middle of GD.

[ecstatic]

52. You were wrong. Just admit it and move on. Geez! nt

[Peregrine Took]

29. If they crawled on their collective bellies and begged me - I don't think so. n/t

[Trenzalore]

32. Given what Clinton is called here on a daily basis

Piece of shit seems a little mild to get yourself all worked up over. Also they are referring to Weaver his campaign manager. I think I see at least 10 post a day bitching about David Brock.

[Skid Rogue]

34. There's been a lot of horrible...

things said about Hillary, too. Um... like the "whore" comment. It's a long way to November, let's let a little bit of water flow under the bridge.

That crap flows both ways... and it stings everyone.

[jwirr]

55. Vote suppression is a pretty bad word. Anyone who does it

should never be president and that is that.

[Hoyt]

35. I think he's commendable, many of his supporters aren't. I see some are calling for

him to run as an Independent.

[JaneyVee]

39. Tad Devine and Jeff Weaver destroyed Bernie Sanders.

[vdogg]

42. They were calling Weaver a piece of Shit

Not Sanders.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

66. Oh well then that's ok then.

[MFM008]

47. lets not play

many of you wont support her if we HRC supporters got on our knees .
Im not going to vote for him.
We all feel better now.

[vercetti2021]

56. Yeah

I put a lot on ignore for posting the stupidest shit. But my solution is to leave this toxic place. Hope way day a progressive site pops up.

[nolabear]

59. Is being piqued about that (Weaver btw) worth Losing to Trump?

Think about it. Donald Fucking Trump.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

62. I'm not going to be blackmailed nor will I allow my vote to be extorted. nt

[nolabear]

64. That's okay. You'll get to benefit from our votes anyway. Enjoy.

[liberal_at_heart]

71. Thanks for the arrogance and condescension. That's why we Bernie supporters love

Hillary and her supporters so much.

[nolabear]

72. It's fine. Do what you must. I don't begrudge you your rage.

[liberal_at_heart]

73. And I won't begrudge you yours in November.

Welcome to my ignore list.

[nolabear]

74. ...

[creeksneakers2]

69. Do you think we are the ones creating Republicans

and using them to blackmail you? They exist for real. Nobody is blackmailing you. They are trying to appeal to your reasoning.

[mythology]

67. Is this the way that Sanders supporters act when they want to be reached out to?

Calling Clinton a grifter, saying that only old rich people voted for Clinton, claiming the election was stolen in spite of even if you gave Sanders all 125k votes that were said to be changed as part of the unaffiliated voter thing he would still be short, calling Clinton supporters losers.

It goes both ways.

[glinda]

68. Tons of nasty out there from them right now. Count me out.

[emulatorloo]

70. He called out Weaver, not Bernie. Edit your post please

[nolawarlock]

75. To be fair, the subject was Jeff Weaver ..

So the poster was clearly calling Jeff Weaver that, not Bernie. That doesn't necessarily make it right, but at least be factual about it.

But given the whole alert-stalking thing I just learned about this weekend, I don't care about convincing these people. I think the bulk of them will come around either way and the ones that don't come around were never going to be there anyway.

[Sheepshank]

76. Weaver is a real steaming pile.

[still_one]

77. Jeff Weaver was being dissed not Bernie. However, I will pose the question to you. Is this the way

Bernie's supporters hope to convince Hillary supporters to support him:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280104210

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

78. Months of being condescended to and told we were naive, foolish,

not-real-Democrat, Communist, unicorn-wanting, free-stuff-demanding, racist, sexist BernieBros has naturally made us totally excited about hopping on the Hillary bandwagon. I can hardly fucking wait.

[workinclasszero]

80. But you had no problems with this right?

The hypocrisy BERNS!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

81. The Sanders people who here have emphatically said they are not voting for Clinton and stick

with supporting Sanders a week or two from probably will not be voting Democratic. It would certainly be great if they did but Sanders keeps on saying he is going to keep going on until the convention. He is NOT a Democrat. Many of his supporters are not Democrats or say they are quitting the party. There are many Sanders people who you can see see in black and white, good vs. evil and there is no gray for them. They have a real hatred for Clinton. The Clinton campaign would be wiser to concentrate on independents, female republicans, Hispanics, other POC, people 40+ than the totally die-hard Sanders people. I'm not saying that all Sanders people are like that but there's a lot. You see it in a lot of polls. There's also been a low turnout for the Dems - especially in the younger age group - the Sanders voters.

It's too bad because it will just move the Dem Party further to the right to capture the people they have a real chance of getting to vote for them. If Sanders were to merge with Clinton soon, then the party would most likely move further to the left.

Would be interesting to have another poll here to see where the Sanders people are at now. Something like 70-80 % of them said they would refuse to vote for Hillary a few weeks ago.

There is a chance that some will change their minds but I'm not seeing it here at least.

[Chan790]

82. This is a sane post.

As someone that this applies to, it's nice to know that there are actually Clinton supporters that understand exactly how we feel and why we're going to do what we're going to do.

There can be no unity with Clinton. She's clear. She's not interested in it if it means she has to actually move one centimeter to the left or make any concessions to win us back. She's unwilling to move and we're unwilling to capitulate, getting nothing in exchange for our support, just to avoid a marginally-shittier (than a Clinton presidency) Trump presidency.

Edit: That said, I don't even know what I'd want from her in exchange for my support since all I've ever wanted from Clinton was for her to go away permanently.

[Jester Messiah]

83. They might as well have their fun.

What could they possibly say at this point that hasn't already been said? Try to scare us some more with Trump?

[obamanut2012]

84. It's obvious he is discussing Weaver

I'm also quite sure you know Lex was referring to Weaver, who is a tool.

What a ridiculous OP.

[Chemisse]

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