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FourScore

(9,704 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:18 AM Apr 2016

The thing I find so strange about the voter deletions & party switching

is the reaction from the Clinton camp and the Clinton supporters. They are either completely silent or they make fun of Sander's supporters for wanting to vote.

I don't get it. We're talking about voter suppression. Why the silence? Or at least explain the conspiracy to me. Do you think it's not really happening? If not, then please provide a clear explanation of what is happening so that we can be enlightened. Clearly, the DOJ would like to know as well, since they've launched an investigation in AZ.

It's baffling.

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The thing I find so strange about the voter deletions & party switching (Original Post) FourScore Apr 2016 OP
Kicked because i want to hear their response too. chknltl Apr 2016 #1
In a functioning democracy -or any democracy, really- Nyan Apr 2016 #2
Oh, they don't like it either, but they are keeping the dream alive with their silence. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #3
And that right there is what makes me go all conspiracy mode Joob Apr 2016 #4
That's the way they roll, always has been; elleng Apr 2016 #5
What is baffling to me is they do not understand that her voters are effected too. When you sign in jillan Apr 2016 #6
This confused me as well Marrah_G Apr 2016 #8
Well, independents overwhelmingly favor Bernie Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #23
Does turning a blind eye to corruption felix_numinous Apr 2016 #7
I think i sucks they are encouraging people who did no register to show up and try and vote too. bettyellen Apr 2016 #9
It's not just Sandy, but you keep saying it as if it were. FourScore Apr 2016 #10
Thousand get purged every year for being inactive- but it takes a few years to declare them inactive bettyellen Apr 2016 #11
I'm not making fun for "wanting to vote". I make fun of nutcase conspiracy theories. ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2016 #12
I'm pretty sure Ed Snowden would disagree with you about how feasible that might be. nt Electric Monk Apr 2016 #13
No. I don't think he's that nuts. Not even close. ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2016 #14
Totally insane! Never happens! paulthompson Apr 2016 #16
This is a registration process, open and discoverable ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2016 #17
As a matter of fact... paulthompson Apr 2016 #22
It's chilling, isn't it? n/t passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #15
The crickets are deafening chknltl Apr 2016 #18
They are just like all the Repukes who LOVE voter suppression. mhatrw Apr 2016 #19
FYI: Casting affidavit ballot after hurricane Sandy stripped party affiliation. pat_k Apr 2016 #20
It's the implication ... Onlooker Apr 2016 #21
If there were ANY evidence of vote supression, I'd be right beside you auntpurl Apr 2016 #24

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
2. In a functioning democracy -or any democracy, really-
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:26 AM
Apr 2016

DNC would be trying to figure out what went wrong, and encouraging more and more people to vote.
Oops. Did I say DNC? I mean the Coronation Committee. My bad.

Joob

(1,065 posts)
4. And that right there is what makes me go all conspiracy mode
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:28 AM
Apr 2016

Probably has nothing to do with Clinton campaign, you'd think they want to clear that up.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
6. What is baffling to me is they do not understand that her voters are effected too. When you sign in
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:29 AM
Apr 2016

to vote as a Democrat, they do not know which Democrat you are voting for!

In Arizona we had Hillary voters calling into our local progressive station screaming that they didn't get to vote.
Yet the Hillary supporters on DU were saying we were just mad because she won. And calling voter suppression a joke.

I thought we wanted people to vote?

No comprendo!

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
23. Well, independents overwhelmingly favor Bernie
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:23 AM
Apr 2016

So if an independent has switched to Democrat, it is a good indication that that person favors Bernie. Bernie is also much more popular among young, first-time voters.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
7. Does turning a blind eye to corruption
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:30 AM
Apr 2016

include election fraud? I would like reassurance of this also, just for the record.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
9. I think i sucks they are encouraging people who did no register to show up and try and vote too.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:31 AM
Apr 2016

I don't want Republicans and Indies who are happy to break the rules voting. If there is some sort of issue with people who's registration got screwed up because of Sandy, that is a separate issue. But thousands of people who didn't bother to fix they registration until now- while only Republicans can vote republican? Nope.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
10. It's not just Sandy, but you keep saying it as if it were.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:38 AM
Apr 2016

I saw the same article, and it was just one example of "what went wrong".

63,000 voters were purged in Bernie's hometown. They were purged between November 2015 - right after the deadline to change party affiliations - until now. Not during Sandy. How would you react if that happened in Chappaqua? They want to open the primary because out of the thousands of voters that have peen purged, how will that get resolved by the election? Polls open in just a few hours.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
11. Thousand get purged every year for being inactive- but it takes a few years to declare them inactive
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:53 AM
Apr 2016

Four years ago was a particularly bad turnout for a presidential election. Brooklyn also has a huge turnover for rental housing, if people hoped they could vote with their old address, they maybe out of luck if their mail was returned.
Brooklyn has the largest and most volatile housing market in NYC right now. It would have the highest rate of turnover in the city.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
12. I'm not making fun for "wanting to vote". I make fun of nutcase conspiracy theories.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:56 AM
Apr 2016

Anyone who honestly believes that in a state as large and diverse as New York, there could be a macro-conspiracy to somehow identify likely Sanders voters, and then deliberately disenfranchise them - is flat out insane.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
16. Totally insane! Never happens!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:24 AM
Apr 2016

Read this article and get back to us:

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-how-to-hack-an-election/

Seriously, please read the whole thing.

And if you say it couldn't happen in the US because the US is different, you haven't been paying attention to how easily electronic voting in the US can get hacked, or how shoddily US elections are run in general.

Does that mean it happened and the Hillary camp is behind it? No. I haven't seen evidence of that, at least not yet. But is it crazy to think something like that COULD happen? Also no.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
17. This is a registration process, open and discoverable
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:30 AM
Apr 2016

Not electronic voting. I happen to agree that electronic voting kiosks should not be used. I like Oregon's Vote by Mail system actually. No one has a problem with it. Democrats, Republicans, hell even nutcase Constitutionalists and Greens think it works.

But no. Trying to guess how masses of people are going to vote (they haven't voted yet), months ahead, and then removing their registration to favor one candidate, all while surrounded by people of every political stripe, including (gasp) Republicans... just no.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
22. As a matter of fact...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:03 AM
Apr 2016

"Trying to guess how masses of people are going to vote (they haven't voted yet), months ahead, and then removing their registration to favor one candidate, all while surrounded by people of every political stripe, including (gasp) Republicans... just no."

Speak of the devil, where did that happen already? How about Florida in 2000?

http://www.salon.com/2000/12/04/voter_file/

Tens of thousands were taken off the voter rolls months in advance due to the likelihood they'd vote for one candidate over another. One can guess the odds by demographic data, just as they did in Florida then. And you know what? It worked? That clearly was way more than the 537 votes Bush won by. And it doesn't involve electronic voting, just changing records way in advance.

Now, I'm not saying that's happening right now in New York or elsewhere. I would need a lot of evidence before I believed that. But to deride the idea as too crazy to even contemplate means one is ignoring recent history.

And it's not just Florida in 2000 - the exact same thing is happening in this election. Check out this video interview of the same reporter who wrote that 2000 article:

https://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2016/03/11/greg-palast-how-the-2016-election-will-be-stolen/

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
18. The crickets are deafening
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:51 AM
Apr 2016

Apparantly for some, calling oneself a Democrat does not come with any needs to defend the democratic process when clearly it needs defending.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
19. They are just like all the Repukes who LOVE voter suppression.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:52 AM
Apr 2016

It's totally awesome if nobody's vote counts, just as long as they win.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
20. FYI: Casting affidavit ballot after hurricane Sandy stripped party affiliation.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:54 AM
Apr 2016

After hurricane Sandy, a measure was passed to allow people who were stranded away from their regular polling place to vote by affidavit ballot.

One problem. Apparently, when you signed the affidavit ballot you also waived party affiliation. That it, you were effectively re-registering as unaffiliated.

It explains a lot. No conspiracy. Big problem.

For more see OP:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511772737

P.S. There are posts on the thread from Hillary supporters who are upset about this too.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
21. It's the implication ...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:55 AM
Apr 2016

The implication by many Bernie supporters is that Hillary supporters are up to no good, but Hillary supporters know Hillary supporters and believe they are honest.

You find the same phenomenon in caucus states where Hillary supporters think Bernie supporters are up to no good, but Bernie supporters know Bernie supporters and believe they are honest.

It's worth noting that in Arizona, both the Clinton and Sanders campaign are suing the state.

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