2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Whore"gate is a distraction from the *substance* of Song's comment
And the substance of Song's comment was that we need a President and a congress who will represent US (the 99%), not corporations. We need a President who is NOT beholden to big money, big corporations, and Wall St. And BERNIE SANDERS IS that candidate.While everyone is gasping and chattering about a misplaced WORD, we are ALL missing the larger point and risking electing a President with MISPLACED PRIORITIES that will continue to cost us all.
Get a grip. Don't fall for the distraction tactics. "Whore"gate is naught but a 'shiny thing' meant to divert eyes, attention, money, and support elsewhere.
Get YOUR priorities in order and elect a President who has theirs in order too.
Yep, it was a poorly-worded comment. But that doesn't change the overall MESSAGE of what he was saying.
Take a deep breath. Hands off your pearls. Eye on the ball.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I don't know where Bernie finds these people.
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DanTex
(20,709 posts)IamMab
(1,359 posts)Paul Song apparently doesn't.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)"Medicare for all will never happen as long as we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores who are beholden to Big Pharma."
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Dr. Paul Song: Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. [boos] Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. [cheers] Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores [cheers] who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)I will repeat it again. Maybe you can explain clearly how that is "calling her a whore" (your words). You could more rightfully conclude he was calling Obama or Bush Jr a "corporate whore" since they have already been elected and therefore the phrase "continue to elect" would make sense.
Follow, Dan? If not, please reread the above until you understand.
Now I will wait patiently for your grammatical explanation.
Dr. Paul Song:
"Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Please show your work.
Saying it is obvious with no explanation (where I gave a very detailed one) is an admission that you really can't explain it.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)As will everyone else outside the Bernie bubble. But, go ahead, deny.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Such obtuseness is not the result of functional illiteracy; it's a well-practiced skill.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)If she chooses to embrace the status quo then she has no complaint when others call out the failings of the status quo.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Good one Dan! Seriously, that was hilarious.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)But the fact you keep seeing that the comment was direct at Hillary is a sad commentary on your mind. I know the phrase is loaded, but the context and meaning do not match your view. I did not like him using it, I posted it on the very first thread, but I also knew that the opportunists would soon scurry out of the wood work to create "who are gate". They guy apologized, it was not Bernie, post on how this guy was insensitive, but stop this weird fixation of equating Hillary to that word. It makes you look petty and disgusting when we could have a discussion about loaded implications and baggage of using the word corporate "how ares" in a professional setting. Hillary is in now way remotely linked to an outdated usage of the word you are talking about. Her husband is on the other hand, she has been the victim of his multiple indiscretions...but that is not our place to judge either, it is between them both and only if she wants our support do we need to give it, she is not weak. SO please take your exploitation of the inequality of standards of women's sexuality back to the state your user name includes so they can get back to controlling a woman's right to choose.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Provide sources please.
RandySF
(59,812 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Warmongering or incompetent -- neither is going to be good for the country.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,919 posts)Can't allow a sea of people backing Bernie to be the news lead today.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)NV Whino
(20,886 posts)She's been called that for years.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)What is it exactly that separates your ilk from Trump's supporters?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)You have a hard time understanding what's to the left of you and what's to the right. Keep working at it.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Can you be my teacher?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Then I want to hear you screetch as loudly.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)It appears to me that you do it all day, every day here.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Camp HRC will stand like a proud lion in to the wind waiting for their trigger warning. Then Trump or Cruz will say something not quite sexist and they will immediately unleash a roar loud enough to be heard in the heavens...but sadly not loud enough to be audible over the sound of the elephant stampede that will immediately crush the lion. After that the lion's roar will never be heard by anyone since everyone will just tune out a lion that cries wolf.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Kind of sad like when you see older out of touch family you respect trying to force an in with the younger demographic and trying too hard. I still have some fondness of her and it hate it when she lets me down since I thought she could do so much better. It will be embarrassing when they pull the faux outrage and everyone calls it out. Think about Megan Kelly, Trump made the stupid joke about her period and she fell in like again along with the network. I thought that one was an actual sexist comment. Race baiting ans faux-sexism charges are just doing what empirically false rape accusations do, they damage the victims cause and give fuel to the actual perpetrators...fu you Rolling Stone...who did you endorse again?
This article does a good job of talking about hte issue, but I think is misses the mark that the only reason things on that campus got better was that the people saw how bad the backlash would be because of artiicle being called out that they had to work extra hard to make sure the actual vitims of sexual assult would not be thrown under the bus too. It also touches a little on the narrative that the false story may have had a nation wide effect of allowing people to claim women are lyuing about it.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/122176-one-year-after-rolling-stones-disastrous-a-rape-on-campus-heres-how-university-of-virginia-classrooms
I know that is a bit off topic, but I am making a point that if we use fake rage, then we are guilty as well of the crime. We are the ones that are failing the victims. Hillary and her camp needs to avoid being the Boy that Cried Wolf.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Large crowds at Sanders's rallies is not news. Calling HRC a corporate whore is news.
You have just showed your hand, and it is stacked with bias.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Sanders has been getting media splash for every one of his big rallies -- another big rally is not news. However, when one of his minions make a huge gaffe, that's news.
This is a simple concept.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)You once more summed it up perfectly just like you picture that shows how you hate the fact the HRC has the highest untrustworthy rating in the DNC race...that despite the fact that studies show women should in actuality gain from the bias that most american view women as far more trust worthy than men.
People are getting tired of the same old thing, the race baiting, shallow attacks, the vitriol from the HRC camp, they are no longer responding to them, your camp has single handily somehow destroyed the effectiveness of mudslinging, they are in effect a type of vaccine of smear tactics by constantly injecting the public with fake outrage and lies. HRC should be proud that she is basically becoming the cowpox of our political system.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)That's a winning tactic to elect Not Hillary.
Please proceed.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Yeah people are gonna be up in arms over criticism of corrupt politicans!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)as part of HRC's campaign?
I post here as a Sander's supporter. I am in no way affiliated with his campaign.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Just read my words. That's what I'm communicating. Not some conjured bullshit that randomly flashed into your brain.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)And I wouldn't exactly describe what you do here as communicating.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)whatever floats your boat. Have the last word, Grumpy.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)So I'll accept grumpy as a description of my mood in regards to you today.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)You're welcome.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)It not only makes you a SCREECHING (feel better?) crow, you're also a liar.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)You here all day? I am.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I can be every bit as insulting as you. Go for it?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Your words are there for everyone to see.
This is typical Hill Shill tactic- accuse your opponent of doing the exact damn thing you yourself engaged in first.
You are not a innocent victim of my abuse. You are a bully that is getting back a little of what they like to dish out.
Now why don't you amuse us all with your self righteous superiority by playing spelling and grammar cop. See if you can find my errors.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)onehandle (48,378 posts)-
"3. Attention Whore. She was nobody before this. They are trying to highlight that there is one or two GOP women in office. Just like Boehner does with that nameless Rep that is Always standing behind him and Cantor:
And before anyone alerts on me for misogyny, that phrase is equally used for males and females."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021894300
But of course the rules are for others and not for the retinue of the ordained one......
athena
(4,187 posts)Everyone who calls someone a whore has a reason. At least, they will give you a reason if you ask them. That does not mean it's appropriate.
The overall message is that the Bernie campaign has now called Hillary not only "unqualified" but a "whore." Some of us find that incredibly insulting to women.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)if she wins...
Neither is intended to demean women....But you can't claim to be tough and competent, while having a thin skin.
Once the GOP gets their fangs out.....this is nuthin compared to what is going to happen. It's also nothing compared to what the mainstream media will say when they start in on her, once Sanders is out of the way.
athena
(4,187 posts)Another favorite tactic of Bernie's supporters: if a Hillary supporter is offended by something a Bernie supporter says about Hillary Clinton, they accuse Hillary Clinton of having a thin skin.
In case you didn't notice, Hillary Clinton is not posting on these forums.
Moreover, the claim that a politician should be able to handle any dirt thrown his/her way does not make it OK to make sexist or racist statements.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)that no legitimate criticism is appropriate or "allowed."
So many terms that are also used about men have been cited as examples of sexism if directed at Clinton.
And when Clinton tied Bernies remarks about the nation "shouting" about the issue of guns, she twisted that into claiming it was a sexist remark against her.
Meanwhile the same people have used words against Sanders that if used against Clinton would be branded as sexist.
For example he has been referred to as "strident."..............Acceptable. But if Clinton is described as strident.."Oh no you can't say that about a woman."
That's what people get annoyed about.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Only the bad judgment is remembered.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)he's perfectly at hope in the Naderite wing of Team Angry Demagogue
frylock
(34,825 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Bernie supporters were all upset over the fake "CP Time" outrage. Ya know, the one poking FUN at stereotypes. Now a Sanders surrogate actually suggesting Clinton is a "Corporate Whore" is a "distraction."
Triana
(22,666 posts)All this shit is a distraction, IMO. ALL of it.
DookDook
(166 posts)I think people were upset that someone made a culturally insensitive joke. The Nightly Show had a panel discussion about this and they were saying that if Bill de Blasio had made this joke at the dinner table in front of his family the joke would have killed, but the fact that the joke was made in front of a room full of predominantly rich white people, the joke fell flat.
I'll leave a link to the discussion, sorry I don't know how to format it properly, it was on Hulu yesterday so I think that technically it was the show that aired Tuesday night.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/929335
I remember listening to Hal Sparks on the Stephanie Miller show several years ago, when he used to regularly do the show, he would talk about how he was 'gay adjacent' because of his work on Queer as Folk. He felt that this allowed him to talk on gay issues, but I never recall Hal ever making a joke that disparaged gays or made fun of some stereotype about gays and then saying but it's okay for me to say that because, well, I'm gay adjacent. I think that's also something that's being overlooked, just because Mayor de Blasio is married to a woman of color, I don't think that actually let's him tell racist jokes.
Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)This is a particular honor is reserved for women competing in what men believe is their world...how dare she beat Bernie. I am disgusted with Bernie, his campaign and his followers. Well let's take back 'whore' ladies. I am a proud whore and stand with Hillary Clinton a proud whore and accomplished female...and Bernie we will beat you misogynist butt like a drum.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)something inappropriate and the ones you speak of in your comment had nothing to do with that comment. Wasn't it a wonderful, diverse and YUUUUGGGEEEE rally!
Codeine
(25,586 posts)in such a way as to avoid unnecessarily inflammatory terminology.
mainer
(12,037 posts)We're just stupid girls who want to "be where the boys are."
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)mainer
(12,037 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)"We're just stupid girls who want to "be where the boys are."
There is a difference, I did not see the stupid girls in her statement.
mainer
(12,037 posts)clearly implies that female Bernie supporters are just man-hungry girls who don't care about the facts, only boys. And you defend that statement because she didn't come right out and call them stupid?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,839 posts)Was he utterly lacking in imagination so as to choose a word that cuts too deeply into ANY woman's psyche?
. . .especially when there were plenty of other epithets to choose from. . .
sell-out
shill
lackey
water-carrier
etc.
While Bernie himself would never use that expression (and I support and will vote for him in Tuesday'a primary, BTW), too many of his other supporters calling themselves "Bernie-Bros" are making similar errors in judgement.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)to attack in such a nasty manner is an attack from Sanders team, it has to be brought under control.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)amborin
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drokhole
(1,230 posts)Gender Neutral Terms Edition.
Corporate:
lackey
sell-out
sociopath
elitist
agent
operative
proxy
retainer
devotee
cult member
wolf in sheep's clothing
revolving door aspirer
wealth siphoner
selfish asshats
Add your own!
"What's in a name? that which we call a rose. By any other name would smell as sweet"
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)didn't say. It is beyond ridiculous on here.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Ooooooo, you said a bad word!!!! OMG!
Completely idiotic.
It's no problem being one and doing what it's defined as, it's saying it that matters. Sure. Wtf-ever.
questionseverything
(9,666 posts)including her supporters assumed the reference was to her?
there is so much quid pro quo from her sos days from the ubs scandal to the arms to Saudis deals to the luxury hotel in Haiti
why doesn't she explain why our thoughts on these deals are incorrect?
she can't because it is obvious money changed hands for political favors that benefited the 1% not the 99%
drokhole
(1,230 posts)...wherein attention is diverted and deflected from the meat/substance of the issue to more superficial matters, like 'the way' it was said. Republicans (and clearly Dem party elites) have been practicing it for decades.
When the shoe fits, it's the action/behavior that's obscene, not the accusation/recognition of the fact.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)What part of this don't you understand??
Even Bernie said it was horrible and wrong!
LuvLoogie
(7,078 posts)I became dismissive of anything he had to say about her or Bernie.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Song has (finally!) tricked the media into providing a little scrap of Bernie coverage. Good for Song!!
beaglelover
(3,509 posts)Stop whining.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)The vast majority of corporate whores in politics are Republican men. Nobody on DU would have batted an eye if I called Marco Rubio a Koch brothers' whore before last night.