DailyNews: SKIT For BRAINS

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[Segami]

1. Duh,...I believe they meant 'shit' not skit.....

[Bjornsdotter]

59. Fyi.....

Skit is Swedish for the word shit.

[merrily]

2. And there is it is.

[CentralCoaster]

9. Fucking NAILED IT!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. It should have been so obvious

that the "joke" (which wasn't funny on any level) had racist implications despite what the participants in the skit may have intended. It's just dumb to tell jokes or stories that can be interpreted as racist, no matter what you claim you might have meant by them. This wan't on the same level as the joke that forced Earl Butz, the Secretary of Agriculture in the early '70s, to resign (if you don't know that story, just google him; that "joke" was overtly racist and horrifically offensive), but it was tone-deaf and dumb. You have to wonder how people can miss the implications and possible interpretations of some of the things they say.

[yourpaljoey]

5. It was racist as hell. A definite WTF!? moment

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6. The audience's instant reaction let them know they FU.

[oberliner]

8. The audience reacted with laughs and applause to Hillary's line

It was actually one of the warmer reactions from the audience to the entire skit. De Blasio rapping, for example, appeared to be met with stunned silence.

[CentralCoaster]

10. It was painful. First silence and moans, a giggle or two, then lightened up only a little.

As a whole, I think the audience was stunned but trying to be nice.

And Hillary's line was less offensive, but what the hell were they thinking?

[ViseGrip]

13. Hillary doesn't even think she needs to think....

[oberliner]

16. That's not true at all

The whole point of the bit is designed this way.

De Blasio says something that seems offensive - the audience reacts accordingly.

The Aaron Burr character does a take to the audience and says "I don't like jokes like that" - the audience laughs.

Clinton says "Cautious Politician Time" - the audience laughs some more and applauds a bit.

This is sort of a standard sitcom joke structure.

[mhatrw]

24. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511711873

[oberliner]

26. That's not what the joke was

At no point did anyone utter the phrase "colored people".

The joke (such as it is) is based on thinking he meant one thing and then "humorously" finding out that he meant something else.

Like a skit where someone says "I can't believe he called me the n-word!" and everyone offers their sympathy and anger but it turns out she means "nincompoop".

The part of the skit that seemed much more racially insensitive happens before Hillary's cameo where De Blasio is rapping.

Have you watched the whole thing?

[mhatrw]

28. It's humorously self-depreciating for powerful white politicians to compare

their own lack of initiative and decisiveness to that of colored people!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

[mhatrw]

32. Did you hear the one about when Bill Clinton called Obama the n-word?

Yeah, Bill called him a nincompoop who should be carrying their bags!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

[CentralCoaster]

36. Be that as it may, if true, some things should be off the comic table, like Auschwitz. nt

[oberliner]

40. Have you ever seen The Producers?

It was the biggest show on Broadway not all that long ago.

It features a musical number called Springtime for Hitler.

[JackRiddler]

47. But The Producers is funny.

And that makes all the difference.

(Also, The Producers isn't running for president of everybody, just looking to please its own audiences.)

[oberliner]

49. I was responding to "some things should be off the comic table"

Which seemed to be a broader statement with which I disagreed.

(Not just related to the shenanigans in the OP)

[CentralCoaster]

54. Sure, but what worked Mel Brooks in 1968 is not a great fit for a candidate 48 years later.

Especially for a candidate whose husband just got done dismissing an entire culture with his public statements, this very week.

There are plenty other comedic angles that could have been used the spin of "Hamilton", they weren't thinking.

[oberliner]

56. The Producers is from 2001

The show ran for much of the decade with tours and regional productions ongoing all over the country and the world.

The musical was even more political incorrect than the 1968 movie it was based on, and yet still won 12 Tony Awards.

The song Springtime for Hitler is the centerpiece musical number in the show and includes several other goofs on Hitler including "Heil Myself" not to mention some very un-PC humor at the expense of gay characters.

Hillary had a brief cameo in a silly sketch at a charity event.

If you think her part was offensive, I wonder what you thought of de Blasio's rapping.

[CentralCoaster]

57. Full disclosure, I'm predisposed to dislike anything from Hillary and, by extension, Bill DB.

I didn't see the de Blasio's rapping.

Rapping by white folks isn't of itself offensive but it can sure be disturbing!

What was it like?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

52. Surely with all this "concern" you have for this incident, you have been proactively involved

in your local town or city to end red lining?

To end hiring practices that result in not hiring people with names that sound black?

Or, is your concern and outrage limited to something you can beat Hillary over the head with?

[BillZBubb]

48. You are right. It's sort of a standard, racist dog whistle joke structure.

I can't believe you are defending this. Ok, maybe I can...

[oberliner]

51. I don't know what "racist dog whistle joke structure" is

Bizarre that you think some kind of coded message to racists was being sent out by the folks who created and participated in this sketch.

It was literally nothing but a cameo in a dumb sketch spoofing Hamilton.

Anyone who wants to make it something larger than that has an agenda of their own (most likely being that they don't like Hillary for one reason or another).

Curious to know if you found any other portion of the skit to be racist or just the part with Hillary?

For instance, de Blasio rapping.

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12. The second De Blasio uttered the words that he was "running on CP time"

the audience expressed instant disapproval.......

They're lucky someone didn't stand up and start heckling them outright.

[oberliner]

14. Yes, that is part of the bit

De Blasio says that phrase and gets that reaction. The actor playing Aaron Burr does a take to the audience and says "I don't like that jokes like that" - which gets a big laugh. Then Hillary says "Cautious Politician Time" and that gets an even bigger laugh followed by a little bit of applause.

This video shot from the audience bears that out:

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[mhatrw]

29. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

It's humorously self-depreciating for powerful white politicians to compare their own lack of initiative and decisiveness to that of colored people!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

[Mike__M]

37. Jokes that require lengthy explanation to demonstrate

that they are in fact funny are the best.

[oberliner]

39. The joke was stupid

The skit was stupid. The whole thing was stupid.

Remember this is an event that Guiliani showed up in drag for one year

It's meant to be a roast of NYC politicians who are good sports about being humiliated onstage for charity.

They often tie in popular Broadway shows and actors and there is nothing more popular right now than Hamilton, hence the premise of the skit.

Almost all of the jokes were groaners.

[yourpaljoey]

11. I was not familiar with the term so I wondered about the audience recation

Now I get it. And, no, they were not pleased.

[oberliner]

18. The audience reacted to the joke as designed

Note the take from Burr to the audience and his line, which gets a laugh, leading up to Hillary's line which gets a bigger laugh and some applause.

The joke only works if the audience thinks de Blasio said something offensive at first but then realizes that he was saying something else. Granted it's not especially funny, but it's typical of the other jokes and skits at this event.

Did you see the moment right before with de Blasio rapping?

[LondonReign2]

30. And for this too they shall be forgiven

Camp Weathervane followers don't give a fuck about racist dog whistles, racist skits, or any other example of shitty judgment. You'd have to have an ethical core to be upset.

[CharlotteVale]

4. Apt pun.

[oberliner]

7. Their original article covering the event did not even mention the joke

De Blasio drops rhymes at annual Inner Circle show with help from guest Hillary Clinton

The time, it was Mayor de Blasio giving himself a bad rap.

The city’s chief executive, with the unlikely help of pal Hillary Clinton, delved into hip-hop Saturday night at the annual Inner Circle production.

De Blasio shared the New York Hilton stage with Leslie Odom Jr., who plays Aaron Burr in the hit musical “Hamilton,” while unleashing his inner Run-BDB.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/de-blasio-drops-rhymes-circle-show-clinton-ma-article-1.2595005

It was apparently not horribly racist enough for them to even notice it.

[morningfog]

15. The power of social media. The MSM often follow the lead.

[oberliner]

17. Or, how to create manufactured outrage over nothing

Social media can be really effective in that way.

[morningfog]

22. Or how to disseminate that which the MSM ignores.

[oberliner]

25. One man's ceiling is another man's floor as they say

It cannot be coincidental that the people criticizing Hilary for this are those who already don't like her.

If this skit cameo had been Bernie and the Vatican visit had been Hilary all the outraged people would flip to the other side of each of those issues.

Hopefully folks are honest enough to recognize that at least.

[mhatrw]

35. Hillary supporters just have better senses of humor!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511711873

[oberliner]

42. Not really

Everyone is just lining up with their sides as seems to be the way things go around here.

[Lizzie Poppet]

19. Corporate press ignores racist gaffe by corporate tools. Yeah, that's just shocking.

[oberliner]

20. That is shocking

Usually there is nothing the NYC press likes more than to be able to splash a story about a politician or celebrity caught in a racist gaffe.

I think the reporters at The Daily News and Newsday and some of the other local papers just didn't notice anything racist when they had covered the event initially.

It could be that the reporters were unfamiliar with the term (as many folks here have confessed to being).

[LondonReign2]

31. Which makes tell racist jokes OK with Hillaryites!

[oberliner]

43. There was no racist joke told

This is getting ridiculous.

[LondonReign2]

58. And there were no racist dogwhistles in the 2008 campaign

[mhatrw]

33. The writer of that article probably did not get the joke. Humor is funny that way.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511711873

[angrychair]

21. HRC supporters compare and contrast

"CPT"

If
Clinton says it: "people are making a big deal of nothing. It was a joke. People don't get it/didn't listen/taking it out of context. More right-wing nonsense and conspiracies trying to attack and prevent Hillary from being the first women president. Berniebros are desperate for anything. That joke was written by Bernie, it's his fault. Remember Bernie wants to destroy our nation by giving everyone free stuff."

If
Sanders says it: "more racist, sexist, tone deaf crap from Bernie and his berniebros. This campaign is a failure, such racist crap. Bernie hates women and people of color and will put them all in jail/revoke all gun laws/make right-wing hate groups national police/commie re-education camps/give poor people free stuff/bankrupt our nation giving away free stuff."

This is the sum of their reaction. The hate for Sanders on this site from certain groups is so awkward at this point , I really feel like I am on a right-wing wingnut blog like freeperville as the comments are identical ( the "free stuff" and "socialist" memes being the most blatant).

[JesterCS]

23. That's pretty accurate n/t

[LondonReign2]

34. The Hillaryites have committed to a candidate that has Kagen and Kissenger as

foreign policy advisors and Blankfein and Dimon as financial backers. Is it surprising we get right wing wingnut posts?

[BillZBubb]

50. And Brock as lead propagandist...

[oberliner]

44. That goes in reverse too right?

It's funny to see you write that "The hate for Sanders on this site from certain groups is so awkward at this point."

Do you not see the same kind of hate for Clinton on this site from certain groups as well?

There are attacks on Hillary that literally link to right-wing sites and sources.

[angrychair]

53. No comparison

While some may use the "wrong" newspaper source or attempt to regurgitate some old, worn attack line very few are actually sexist or personal attacks.

While I will freely admit I don't look at everything so that is my personal experiences.

Also reflective of my personal experiences is a constant and brutal attacks on Sanders policies (which is politics) and him as a person. Not the same as HRC. The most common being the very right-wing "free stuff" meme, it being word-for-word right-wing wingnut talking points. Next is the "socialist" meme. The red-scare hate-mongering kind of meme. The cherry on that sundae is something that makes what is happening even worse in Sanders case. It is the use of neo-nazi anti semitic, holocaust denial websites to proliferate nasty conspiracy theories.
These things are beyond the pale. As we go deeper into primary season they become worse and more frequent.
It's getting to be more than I can take and is very reminiscent of HRC supporters and HRC herself, in the 2008 campaign but even worse now.

[oberliner]

55. "Is Karl Rove helping the Hillary for President campaign?"

"New York IS NOT Hillary's home state....that'd be Illinois (Which she barely won, BTW)."

"Hillary participated in the racist joke to divert attention from Bill's racist rant. "

"Hillary's policies turned Libya into a terrorist hell hole "

""How Hillary Clinton Betrayed the Children's Defense Fund for Political Gain""

Those are just from a quick look at the top of the GDP page.

You have posts linking her to Karl Rove, calling her and Bill racists, saying she betrayed children for political gain, etc.

[angrychair]

60. "I" have done nothing

None of those OPs are mine nor have I posted on them.

Nice classic redirect though. I admitted stuff like that does happen to HRC but the OPs you cited are mild in comparison to the "free stuff" and "socialist" and anti semetic hate sites used against Sanders and then you decided to attack me with OPs I did not create or post on.
Your actions only prove my point.

[pdsimdars]

27. Seeing that picture, I see why Tweety bird loves her, that's her Tweety Bird costume.

I denounce and reject myself.

[azmom]

38. It was stupid and insensitive for

these two to be evoking racist stereotypes. Not funny at all. Shame on them.

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41. Well, its seems Hillarians are determined to

call it humor and nothing more........

[azmom]

46. Like Trump said, he could shoot someone in

the street and his supporters would still vote for him. I think that applies to the Hillarians too. Always defending the indefensible.

[tabasco]

45. Extremely un-presidential.

H. Clinton's rise to fame was due to marriage to a celebrity; as this clip demonstrates, not due to hard work and good judgment.