Vatican Chancellor accuses Margaret Archer of LYING!!!

[mainer]

Oh my. It's getting nasty in the Vatican. Chancellor Sorondo is senior to Archer!

VATICAN CITY/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

[demwing]

1. Somebody's going to hell!

I'm sure there's a special place all set up...

[Nanjeanne]

59. She can't go to hell unless she's a woman supporting Sanders!

[Snotcicles]

81. Someone needs to go to The John Lewis School of Retraction. nt

[mhatrw]

127. She'll be getting a visit soon enough!

[Punkingal]

2. OMG....

This is beyond absurd.

[Betty Karlson]

52. No, it's just your typical Friday with the Clinton campaign.

An that is the sad part. After all bridges had been burned, the campaign now focuses on scorching earth.

And still they don't understand that such tactics don't work with the opposition BERNING toward victory.

[Punkingal]

61. It really is ridiculous and sad.

I don't get how anyone can admire the Clintons. I used to, but not for a long time.

[Betty Karlson]

68. We got to know them - she is the mirror-image of Sanders

when folks get to know him, they start to like him. Clinton: currently polling at 57% distrust, and that is before New York and Pennsylvania get to know her better, let alone California.

(By the way: did you hear that Clinton's "lead" in California is evaporating faster than Anita Bryant's welcome at a gay wedding?)

[Zira]

72. Thanks! That made me smile!

[Jackie Wilson Said]

80. Now wait, I took shit for implying Brock was somehow behind this, but I was kind of joking.

Why are you attacking Hillary in relation to this story?

What did I miss, what does this have to do with her campaign?

[Punkingal]

120. You spend so much time on here complaining about Hillary attacks she should hire you.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

121. And some do nothing but attack her here, all day long. Almost as if they have

an agenda that has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders.

[Punkingal]

122. I don't.

But more than half your posts are jumping people who do.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

123. Probably more than that, even, here is why

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/ted-cruz-most-conservative-republican-nominee-221729

He opposes abortion even in cases of rape and incest

And he would eliminate the payroll taxes that fund popular programs like Social Security and Medicare

[Punkingal]

124. Yeah, well check out this thread...

Can you muster some outrage for Jane being attacked?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511682634#top

[Jackie Wilson Said]

131. I posted at least twice that the attacker is some right wing nut or possibly

someone trying to make Hillary look bad by doing that.

It is of course horrible what they said

[TM99]

136. But you can't manage to

admit to yourself and others that the Tweets were in fact from Clinton supporters AND not right wing boogie men or agent provocateurs. Yet, you always jump to the attack of the 'Bernie Bros'.

Dude, we got your fucking number, and no one is buying your shit any more.

[PatV]

126. They figure lie their butts off on Friday and no one will notice the correction and the only thing

that will be remembered by Monday is the original lie.

[Avalux]

3. THANK YOU Chancellor Sorondo!

I am unsure of Archer's motivation for what she said, but it was very bad form on her part. Why would she be politically motivated to lie about this?

[Karma13612]

77. I've been looking for a

Link but nothing yet.

[JimDandy]

135. It is SO curious that there has to be another explanation...

The only thing I could come up with, in which each of their (Sanders, Sorondo, Archer) words/actions made sense was this scenario:


Sanders, as he has said, has wanted to attend the PASS conference for many years and at some point that desire came to the attention of Sorondo;

In March, Sorondo had a discussion and an agreement with Archer to invite him;

On March 30th, Sorondo sends the invite in which he mentions Archer by name as also extending the invite, but it is signed only by Sorondo.

Sanders RSVPed (date of acceptance not released) to Sorondo since that's who signed the invite;

Archer was not in the loop that Sanders had RSVPed his acceptance;

Archers nose is out of joint from hearing on the news that Sanders will be attending and when contacted by the press, tells them that Sanders didn't followed PASS protocol and RSVP to her office.


And here we are...

What is very interesting is April 15th was the nexus date for two important events: the PASS conference and Hillary's desired date for the NY Debate. All of a sudden that date was being pushed very hard by Clinton. By April 4th, Sanders clearly knew he had/or would soon be accepting the invite to the Vatican. Did Hillary somehow know too, and try to force his hand, or was all this just very coincidental?

Regardless, Sanders, who could not have made it to both his NY rally originally scheduled for the 14th, and to the conference at the Vatican on the 15th, was able to point to Hillary's insistence of an Apr 15th debate date as the reason for changing his rally to Apr 15th. He was able to make hay of her 'forcing' him to change his rally date since she was not willing to change the date for her rich-people-only fundraiser, but really he would never have been able to attend a debate on that day anyway, due the Vatican conference.

[peacebird]

4. "This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo"

And Sorondo is senior to Archer

[shawn703]

5. Camp Weathervane made to look like fools again

I'll be glad when Bernie wraps up the nomination so they can go back under their rock.

[hobbit709]

30. you mean STILL don't you?

[Tarc]

44. Hillary had the forethought to plant an associate in the Vatican

On the off-chance that Sanders would go to a conference there.

That's, like, 9 levels of deviousness right there...

[Z_California]

105. The Clinton Foundation has "friends" EVERYWHERE

[Tarc]

114. I find it hard to believe that anyone seriously thinks this

[DisgustipatedinCA]

83. One man's fool is another man's vicious lying piece of shit.

[Fawke Em]

19. The establishment media seems to have lost its collective minds this week.

Between the misrepresentation of the Hillary/Bernie dust up (yes, the Clinton camp's memo about disqualifying him started this mess - and it was obviously coordinated since she and her surrogates all bleated the same thing), the Krugman article today and now this mess, I believe they're gasping for their last breaths.

With the use of social media and the ease of finding alternative media sites, the M$M has lost its ability to manipulate the people.

Bernie's internals must be looking pretty good in New York. That's the only thing I can think of that would make them lose their collective minds like this.

[MattP]

7. The invite has her name on it

If she feels disrespect from that so be it I suspect Vatican politics is nastier than even D.C.'s so im not suprised they bicker

[Kalidurga]

8. Uh oh he sounds pissed.

If I was him I would fire her. I don't put up with lying liars.

[stillwaiting]

20. Insubordination indeed. nt

[Kalidurga]

22. And airing a private spat in public

Nope not good at all. I don't even care if someone is insubordinate to me it's like whatever. But, you make that chit public, buh bye.

[1StrongBlackMan]

37. One can't fire one's boss ...

The Academy is headed by a President, who acts with the assistance of the Council of the Academy, which meets at least twice a year. The President is appointed by the Supreme Pontiff, to whom he or she reports directly, and is assisted by the Chancellor.

http://www.pass.va/content/scienzesociali/en/about/history.html

But, interesting assumption.

[islandmkl]

57. might want to actually check up on the hierarchy:

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

http://news.trust.org/item/20160408180858-dibw3

[riderinthestorm]

62. Sorondo appears to be her boss

ASS is one of the Pontifical academies at the Vatican in Rome. It was established to promote the study and progress of the social sciences, primarily economics, sociology, law, and political science. Through appropriate dialogue it offers the Church elements useful to the development of its social doctrine, and it reflects on the application of that doctrine in contemporary society. PASS, which is autonomous, maintains a close relationship with the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace.[1]

Edmond Malinvaud was the first president of the academy (1994-2004). In 2014 Pope Francis appointed Professor Margaret Archerpresident. PASS is headquartered in theCasina Pio IV, together with its sister academy the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, at the heart of the Vatican Gardens. The Chancellor of both academies is currently Msgr. Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_Academy_of_Social_Sciences

[Bluenorthwest]

64. She's not his boss. Both are Pontifical appointments, hers is a five year term while the chancellor

has no limit to the term save the will of the Pontiff. He works for the Church, she is a lay person and head of a department at the University of Warwick. This Academy is a new thing by RCC standards. JP2 set it up, Sorondo has always been Chancellor, there have been three Presidents so far. They are ostensible peers but he is much the Senior and also he's the guy from St Pete's.

[1StrongBlackMan]

79. Okay ... Perhaps, the Academy should update its website to reflect your know.

http://www.pass.va/content/scienzesociali/en/about/history.html

[mhatrw]

128. He's a Bishop. She's a lay person.

Do you understand anything about the Catholic Church hierarchy?

[1StrongBlackMan]

133. No, I know very little about the Catholic Church hierarchy.

But I can read the website where it says the President is the Head of the Academy (position) and selected by the Pope (reporting line).

[TheFarS1de]

138. Here you go

[Renew Deal]

73. Agree

What she did was wrong.

[beam me up scottie]

9. Oh dear. Lots of Hillary supporters are going to be eating crow for supper.

[stillwaiting]

21. There are plates and plates of crow piled high to the ceiling. They never touch it.

They don't even acknowledge its existence.

More plates will surely be added to that clusterfuck of a table that is for sure.

[Maedhros]

24. The cognitive dissonance experienced as a liberal who supports Hillary Clinton is so intense

that it taxes even their finely-honed capacity for DoubleThink. The only solution is to ignore the facts that don't support the pre-authorized narrative.

[TCJ70]

23. Yeah, none of them will acknowledge this...

...come on, man!

[beam me up scottie]

25. We need to respond to them in their threads. Shouldn't let that crow go to waste!

[1StrongBlackMan]

39. Well ... One of the two players is lying. Crow eating ...

or calls for it, should probably wait until it is determined who is lying.

One tell will be if the Chancellor is "re-assigned."

[beam me up scottie]

43. When a 'senior papal official' publicly upbraids you chances are you're the one lying.

[1StrongBlackMan]

50. I tend to agree ...

The Academy is headed by a President, who acts with the assistance of the Council of the Academy, which meets at least twice a year. The President is appointed by the Supreme Pontiff, to whom he or she reports directly, and is assisted by the Chancellor.

http://www.pass.va/content/scienzesociali/en/about/history.html

So ... the good Chancellor is the one lying. I guess you should retract the crow eating call.

[beam me up scottie]

54. So what's Archer's position at the Vatican again?

Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican

VATICAN CITY/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

[1StrongBlackMan]

71. Wow ... Did anyone tell the Academy that Reuters gave Sorondo a promotion!

From the Academy's website:

The Academy is headed by a President, who acts with the assistance of the Council of the Academy, which meets at least twice a year. The President is appointed by the Supreme Pontiff, to whom he or she reports directly, and is assisted by the Chancellor.

http://www.pass.va/content/scienzesociali/en/about/history.html

[beam me up scottie]

78. Read it again, he's her senior. It's okay to admit she lied, really.

Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican

VATICAN CITY/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo (born 8 September 1942) is an Argentine Catholic bishop and the current Chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences. Having issued a long set of various publications in the sciences, he's also earned several honors such as the Légion d’Honneur of France in 2000.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcelo_S%C3%A1nchez_Sorondo

Archer lied for some reason:

[1StrongBlackMan]

84. So the Academy's website is less accurate than wikipedia and Reuters? Really?

[beam me up scottie]

88. It says she's assisted by the chancellor, not that he's her assistant. And he invited Bernie.

It's okay to admit she lied, seriously. She overstepped her authority and was chided for it by the chancellor.

[mainer]

103. She's only been there for 2 years.

She's appointed by the Pontiff, who has the power to kick her out, too.

[riderinthestorm]

60. No, the Chancellor is the head of two agencies, one of which Ms Archer is Pres

ASS is one of the Pontifical academies at the Vatican in Rome. It was established to promote the study and progress of the social sciences, primarily economics, sociology, law, and political science. Through appropriate dialogue it offers the Church elements useful to the development of its social doctrine, and it reflects on the application of that doctrine in contemporary society. PASS, which is autonomous, maintains a close relationship with the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace.[1]

Edmond Malinvaud was the first president of the academy (1994-2004). In 2014 Pope Francis appointed Professor Margaret Archerpresident. PASS is headquartered in theCasina Pio IV, together with its sister academy the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, at the heart of the Vatican Gardens. The Chancellor of both academies is currently Msgr. Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_Academy_of_Social_Sciences

[1StrongBlackMan]

74. Let's see ...

Wikipedia? ... Or, The academy's website?

I'll go with the Academy.

[riderinthestorm]

87. He's a monsignor of the church and oversees two Academies

I don't really care who you believe, the reality is he's overseeing two academies, one of which Dr Asher is President.

He's one of the highest ranking permanent officials in the church. She is not.

[beam me up scottie]

91. Thanks for posting the truth, I'm amazed at the lengths people will go to in order to smear Bernie.

Makes you wonder why they hate him so much.

[riderinthestorm]

99. I actually think 1SBM is more neutral on Bernie (I may be wrong)

I think he's caught up on the words "assisted by" in the Vatican website description.
.
I've done grant writing and development work. 

One job was to raise funds for a new addition on a women's shelter. I had an appointment with a local casino to pitch the project but I was a late hire and didn't know every last detail yet on the building permit status, codes etc. 

So even though I was the development director, my boss - the shelter director - came with me to assist. 

Its pretty common in non-profits for "a boss" like a BOD membee to assist in projects. They're still the boss even though I may be the boss in my department. 

[beam me up scottie]

101. Seems awfully invested in painting Bernie as a liar for a neutral party.

Personally I wish Bernie would distance himself from the Vatican because of their homophobic and misogyinistic policies. At least I know he won't pander to them, he proved that when he stood up for us at Liberty U.

[1StrongBlackMan]

104. Perhaps, I am caught up on the ...

"assisted by" words ... but more the "The Academy is headed by a President" part.

And yes ... I am Meh on, both, Bernie and HRC ... but MEH means "anti" per DU's community standards.

[riderinthestorm]

108. Which the chancellor oversees along with the Academy of Sciences nt

[JimDandy]

139. Perhaps no one was lying. See #135. n/t

[cui bono]

140. No, this is the time they all decide to fast.

.

[beam me up scottie]

141. The last time they lost their shit like this was when the photo of Bernie being arrested surfaced.

[cui bono]

142. They did a pretty good job with that video of him "abusing" his wife!

.

[beam me up scottie]

143. That was a classic! I wonder what's next on the agenda?

[noiretextatique]

146. No, they are still starting new threads

Claiming Sanders lied.

[beam me up scottie]

151. Of course they are, they don't know how to do anything else.

I feel sorry for them, it's the only way they know how to act.

[revbones]

10. My bet is that Clinton's camp got to her first

and didn't realize where exactly the invitation came from.

Otherwise, why would she have seen fit to include such negativity and snarkiness in her comments?

[1StrongBlackMan]

41. Because ...

she was upset that her subordinate undercut her?

[revbones]

42. Might want to check the rankings again...

as well as who's names were on the invite.

[1StrongBlackMan]

45. Okay ...

The Academy is headed by a President, who acts with the assistance of the Council of the Academy, which meets at least twice a year. The President is appointed by the Supreme Pontiff, to whom he or she reports directly, and is assisted by the Chancellor.

http://www.pass.va/content/scienzesociali/en/about/history.html

Like I said ...

[riderinthestorm]

63. Sorondo appears to be her boss

ASS is one of the Pontifical academies at the Vatican in Rome. It was established to promote the study and progress of the social sciences, primarily economics, sociology, law, and political science. Through appropriate dialogue it offers the Church elements useful to the development of its social doctrine, and it reflects on the application of that doctrine in contemporary society. PASS, which is autonomous, maintains a close relationship with the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace.[1]

Edmond Malinvaud was the first president of the academy (1994-2004). In 2014 Pope Francis appointed Professor Margaret Archerpresident. PASS is headquartered in theCasina Pio IV, together with its sister academy the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, at the heart of the Vatican Gardens. The Chancellor of both academies is currently Msgr. Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_Academy_of_Social_Sciences

[1StrongBlackMan]

75. Again, I'll go with the Academy's website over wikipedia.

[riderinthestorm]

89. He's a monsignor of the church and oversees two Academies

I don't really care who you believe, the reality is he's overseeing two academies, one of which Dr Asher is President.

He's one of the highest ranking permanent officials in the church. She is not.

[beam me up scottie]

94. The chancellor invited Bernie, he's telling the truth, she's not.

[questionseverything]

107. here is a hint...when is the woman's place higher in the catholic church than the man's position?

the 3rd of never

the gentleman that says he invited bernie is in the pope's inner circle, he is her go between to the pope

maybe she mis spoke ,maybe she was mis quoted

<shrug>

[NWCorona]

11. This election has played out like a soap opera!

[closeupready]

12. Like duh ... she's Team Hillary; this is what they do. ha

K&R

[dchill]

13. K&R

[nenagh]

14. K&R

[pat_k]

15. The "invited himself" smear sounded all wrong, Glad the truth is out,

[dragonfly301]

16. Oh my - the nuns who taught me in elementary school

would be pulling their paddles out for Margaret Archer - prepare to be hit.

[jillan]

17. There are no words.

[morningfog]

18. And HIll Shills were lead around by their noses again. Critical thought, peeps!

[CharlotteVale]

129. And they never learn.

[MerryBlooms]

27. Rec & Kick & Share.

[Else You Are Mad]

28. The problem with Hillary supporters is that...

In their need to destroy Sanders, they don't care about facts or fact checking so long as it makes Sanders look bad. How many times has the media attempted to smear Sanders only to have the smear fall apart almost immediately.

[840high]

46. Makes them look like the fools they are.

[Buzz Clik]

29. Bad, bad Bernie. Dragging the Vatican into his partisan silliness.

[hobbit709]

31. Delusional. The only dragging was done by your cohorts.

[Buzz Clik]

38. Good call.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation

Yeah. I own Bloomberg, I wrote the letter, and I wrote the article about the letter. Yep. Little old me.

[TheSarcastinator]

47. no, but you are more than willing to continue to spread falsehood and disinformation

long after it has been proven false. Why would you sacrifice your personal integrity in such a fashion unless it never meant much to you in the first place?

[Buzz Clik]

51. Horse poo. Why don't you quote for me...

...the disinformation I have been spreading.

[rhett o rick]

116. Funny how some Democrat all of a sudden believe Bloomberg's attacks on Sanders.

The "discourtesy" was alleged by an unnamed "high official" but was denied by the official spokesperson. Another SwiftBoat attack fails.

[SamKnause]

32. What is wrong with you ???

The silliness as you call it, is coming from you.

[Buzz Clik]

35. Oh. I wrote the letter from Margaret Archer? I declared Bernie got an invite from the Pope?

Uh huh.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

53. Ha fucking ha. What's the matter? Hands a little cold with those gloves off?

Too bad.

[islandmkl]

55. from the invitation extender:

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

[Amaril]

65. Does the spinning ever make you dizzy?

[Buzz Clik]

67. Did the Pope sign that invitation?

[NurseJackie]

92. No papal signature. No wax seal. No calligraphy. No parchment.

[Buzz Clik]

110. Bummer

[noiretextatique]

149. And no invite for Clinton at all eom

[1StrongBlackMan]

33. Hmmm ... It appears that someone is not telling the truth. I wonder who?

[riderinthestorm]

70. This appears to be a private spat that Ms Archer has aired in public

If this were my employee she'd be fired.

She's the subordinate here and I think she's really overreached.

[1StrongBlackMan]

82. I agree about the private spat part ...

But, and again,

She's the subordinate here

the Academy's website begs to differ.

http://www.pass.va/content/scienzesociali/en/about/history.html

[riderinthestorm]

97. I think you're misinterpreting "assisted by"

I've done grant writing and development work.

One job was to raise funds for a new addition on a women's shelter. I had an appointment with a local casino to pitch the project but I was a late hire and didn't know every last detail yet on the building permit status, codes etc.

So even though I was the development director, my boss - the shelter director - came with me to assist.

Its pretty common in non-profits for "a boss" like a BOD membee to assist in projects. They're still the boss even though I may be the boss in my department.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

86. Try reading the OP r-e-a-l slowly. Honest adults have no problem understanding it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

90. Try reading the Academy's DAMNED website ...

and stop letting your love of Bernie inform the facts.

http://www.pass.va/content/scienzesociali/en/about/history.html

[mainer]

100. She serves at the behest of the Pope

"In April 2014, Professor Archer was named by Pope Francis to succeed former Harvard law professor and U.S. Ambassador to the Holy See Mary Ann Glendon as President of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences.[1]"

(Wikipedia.org)

She's only been in the position for two years. She can be kicked out by him, too.

[dcbuckeye]

34. It doesn't matter what the truth is now

It doesn't matter who's lying about the invite now because enough doubts have been raised about the intent of the trip. Enough doubt has been raised about BS's credibility for them to score any political points with Catholic Americans.

[azmom]

40. Don't be so sure. This is a big story in the

Latino community.

[mainer]

58. Oh, this is a big story now -- about how the powers tried to take down Bernie

Margaret Archer's lie was exposed. Now comes the investigation into WHY she lied, who put her up to it, and why the media accepted that lie and blasted it out with no fact-checking.

[dr60omg]

36. Yes, I am tired of being called a liar

http://news.trust.org/item/20160408180858-dibw3

[840high]

48. .that^ X100

[BernieforPres2016]

125. So he is senior to Archer and the March 30 date of the invitation proves Archer's story is a lie

Hopefully she will be fired before Bernie arrives.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

49. These dumb motherfukcers should figure out that it hurts to lie about Bernie Sanders

Next liar who wants his or her lies kicked right back in their face, step right up.

[mainer]

56. This whole, delicious spat puts Bernie in a great light

First, it spreads the word far and wide that yes, he's been invited to the Vatican.

And it exposes just how many lies the opposition is ready to put out there to bring him down. It also exposes the names of the shoddy journalists who were willing to run with a liar named Margaret Archer without any fact-checking with the Vatican.

If anything, it's an expose of the powerful forces arrayed against him.

[nichomachus]

66. Archer is like the archbishop who sabotaged the pope with Kim Davis

Part of the right-wing cabal in the Vatican trying to impede progress.

[kgnu_fan]

96. exactly!

[kgnu_fan]

85. very interesting...

[Sheepshank]

93. Another fuck up brought to you by the Sanders Team haa haa haaa haaaa nt

[beam me up scottie]

95. Reading is fundamental. How's that crow taste?

[arcane1]

102. Um...

[DisgustipatedinCA]

137. Did your shoes get tied properly this morning?

Are you able to read and stuff? If not, let me assist. The article way up at the very top of this page, well it allows as how this here Vatican tool up and told a dadburned lie about Bernie Sanders. She'll be working on a new ministry in Vladivostok in about 4 months or so, seein' as how she was caught being a lying piece of shit and all.

You guys had this one slammed right back in your faces at record speed. Bring me some more, sport-o.

[noiretextatique]

148. Hah...another non-issue overblown by the Clinton camp eom

[Sheepshank]

150. Yah, this holy announcement isn't going as well as hoped....utter failure to launch. Nt

[mainer]

98. I bet Sanders now gets a meeting with the Pope

I'm thinking that the Vatican and the Chancellor are so pissed about Margaret Archer's comments that the Pope will meet with Sanders just out of principle.

[kennetha]

106. you really think so

that the Pope has the temperament of something like a 20 year old Bernie Bro?

[mainer]

111. It's all about Margaret Archer's lies smearing the Vatican

and the Pope wanting to make amends.

[Uncle Joe]

109. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, mainer.

[Skwmom]

112. Well the "women have more integrity and decency" meme sure has been shot to hell.

[demwing]

113. The Scorpion and the Frog

A fable:

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where she lived and decided that she wanted a change. So she set out on a journey through the forests and hills. She climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until she reached a river.

The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. She couldn't see any way across, so she ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that she might have to turn back.

Suddenly, she saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. She decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Ms. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, her sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove her stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

I've heard DUers ask that if Hillary is so confident of winning, why is she running such a sleazy campaign?

As the scorpion said - "I could not help myself. It is my nature."

[Ino]

117. Hillary is a Scorpio

Birthday: October 26

What a coincidence

[kgnu_fan]

118. Wisdom needed

[rhett o rick]

144. Bingo

[Impedimentus]

115. Archer is the administrative head and Bishop Sorondo is the academic head ...

of the Academy. Yes, he is a bishop with the title Titular Bishop of Vescovio and informally addressed as "monsignor". They are essentially equals within the academy. However, being clergy and a bishop, he would never "report" to a lay person - only to the Pope in his position as a bishop.

I'm sure either Archer or Coronado could issue an invitation and it should not be controversial. Archer appears to have gotten her feathers ruffled. Surprise, the Vatican is political as well as religious.

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

[snowy owl]

119. Will she be forgiven at confession? She should be demoted. Falsifying...

[Duppers]

130. Does anything get thru to Clinton people in terms of blowback?

Or especially her supporters?

Wtf is it going to take for her supporters to get the facts that she and her campaign tell so many lies?

[Zen Democrat]

132. More yuck on Hillary and her floundering campaign.

They.Are.Desparate

[amborin]

134. K&R

[felix_numinous]

145. K&R

Might want to invest in a lightening rod.

[Skwmom]

147. As a woman it has really been disheartening this election cycle. n/t