2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIn Wisconsin, Bernie Sanders Turns up the Heat on Hillary Clinton
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-negative-wisconsin
Sen. Bernie Sanders didn't mince too many words during a campaign stop in Sheboygan, Wisconsin, on Friday afternoon. Midway through his typical stump speech railing against the millionaires and billionaires, he broke off to explicitly contrast himself with Hillary Clinton for her history of taking money from fossil fuel interests and giving highly paid speeches to financial firms, among other topics.
"As many of you may know, Secretary Clinton has given speeches on Wall Street for $225,000 per speech," Sanders said to boos from his crowd. "You know what I think? If you're going to give a speech for $225,000, it must be a really fantastic speech, don't you think? Why else would you get $225,000? It must be written in Shakespearean prose. It must be a speech that solves most, if not all, the problems facing humanity." Clearly pleased with his quips, Sanders then called for Clinton to share the speech transcripts with the rest of the world.
Sanders ticked off a number of other points of disagreement, lingering after the punchiest statements to allow his supporters time to boo his opponent. Sanders faulted Clinton for associating with a super-PAC, and supporting trade deals that he said harmed Wisconsin manufacturing. He said she couldn't be trusted on foreign policy, since "she voted for the war in Iraq, the worst foreign policy blunder in the modern history of America." Nor could she be trusted on the environment. "Secretary Clinton and I disagree on the issue of fracking. It may not seem like a sexy issue, but it is an enormously important issue," Sanders said, pointing to her record pushing shale gas extraction abroad when she led the State Department.
But his most pointed criticism came when Sanders discussed the hubbub over fossil fuel donations that has enveloped the campaign over the past day. At a campaign event in New York on Thursday, a Greenpeace activist asked Clinton if she'd reject donations from those industries in light of her stance on climate change. "I am so sick of the Sanders campaign lying about me. I'm sick of it," Clinton responded, visibly angry as she jabbed her finger at the activist and argued that garnering support from individuals who work for fossil fuel companies isn't the same as being supported by gas and oil companies.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)out on it?!?
shawn703
(2,702 posts)But considering they're part of the establishment and in the tank for Clinton, I'm not really surprised.
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaign-updates/hillary-clintons-connection-oil-gas-industry/
Metric System
(6,048 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)That's what they do - they ferret out the assholes who are trying to destroy the environment.
Keystone XL ring a bell?
Selling fracking to the world sound familiar?
shawn703
(2,702 posts)The "fact checkers" didn't bother to do it, so why don't you?
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)with people when you attempt to act as if Super PAC's aren't part of her strategy. While not coordinated directly, you still know what you can count on with them. Stop trying to act as if that doesn't exist, most of us are smart enough to understand how they work.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)about it, Hillary has been flying all around the world pushing fracking for years. Even though both environmentally, and economically, fracking is a disaster.
Just a data point. If you don't want lots of methane release due to fracking, which is some huge amount worse than CO2, and lasts a very long time, don't vote for Hillary.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)so the liar is not Sanders.
so many ways people get to hide dark money, and my personal experience in work when they tried to force me to donate to a PAC that was the opposite of my values - and donating to the PAC by the way would have been to have it taken directly from my salary check like they do with United Way, a check off thing, How more involved can companies be? They gave this PAC my social security number, you would think that was illegal. I was so pissed of, that the milktoast in real life that I am told them I was going to report them ( to whom I had no idea, I was just pissed they gave out my social security number and was yelling at a poor HR person who probably made half what I did and had no power herself ha ha ) anyway, they got off my back and never bothered em about it again, but they did lay me off a year later - which was great, that job was killing me but I could not afford to quit. I had to talk to and refuse to donate up 3 levels above me up to the president of the division. Each level offered to give me the money to donate, but I hated that PAC wouldn't accept their money.
The PAC was to pass laws that violated employee and customer privacy and invalidate all opt out laws. Life would be so much simpler for the company if they did not have to allow people to opt out.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Because I get the distinct impression are you are relying on the (Judy Miller) NYTs and the (neocon) Washington Post that are and have been since day one in the bucket for Hillary.
They are every bit as prone to lying as is Hillary.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)Win in a fair campaign - great. I'm there in November. Lie, cheat and steal the nomination - fuck your need for my vote.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Hillary's pockets. I think you're the one manufacturing a conspiracy.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Fighting for the environment is their reason for being and their work is there for all to see. Where are they wrong?
Hillary Clintons Connections to the Oil and Gas Industry
by Jesse Coleman
Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Super PAC supporting her have received more than $4.5 million from the fossil fuel industry.
Last updated April 1, 2016.
For questions or media inquiries about this research, please contact Perry Wheeler, [email protected].
Hillary Clintons campaign has been backed by the fossil fuel industry in a number of ways.
First, there are the direct contributions from people working for fossil fuel companies to Clintons campaign committee. According to the most recent filings, the committee has received $309,107 (as of March 21, 2016; source: Center for Responsive Politics) from such donors.
Next are the fossil fuel lobbyists, many of whom have also bundled contributions. These donations also flow to Clintons campaign committee. Greenpeace has tracked $1,465,610 in bundled and direct donations from lobbyists currently registered as lobbying for the fossil fuel industry. This number excludes donations from lobbyists who are employed directly by a fossil fuel companies, as those donations would have been included in the previous number.
Last are contributions from fossil fuel interests to Super PACs supporting Hillary Clinton. Greenpeace has found $3,250,000 in donations from large donors connected to the fossil fuel industry to Priorities Action USA, a Super PAC supporting Secretary Clintons campaign.
All told, the campaign to elect Hillary Clinton for president in 2016 has received more than $4.5 million from lobbyists, bundlers, and large donors connected the fossil fuel industry.
Number of oil, gas and coal industry lobbyists that have made direct contributions to Hillary Clintons 2016 presidential campaign: 58
58 registered oil, coal and gas lobbyists have personally given $138,400 to the Clinton campaign.
Of those 58, 11 are bundlers.
11 lobbyists have bundled $1,327,210 in contributions to the Clinton campaign.
43 lobbyists have contributed the maximum allowed ($2,700).
This includes:
Lobbyists who have reported lobbying for the oil and gas industry both in-house company lobbyists and hired lobbyists from K-Street firms.
This does not include:
Industry executives who are not registered as lobbyists.
Other employees of the oil and gas industry.
Board members.
Corporate PAC contributions.
Contributions by major investors.
Donations to Super PACS or non-profit groups.
Contributions made by trade associations to Super PACs.
As of March 21, Clinton has taken more from lobbyists in general than any other candidate besides Jeb Bush a total of $919,477.
Total amount bundled from oil and gas lobbyists: $1,327,210
Examples:
- Three Enbridge lobbyists contributed to Clintons campaign. While she was Secretary of State, Clinton signed off on the Enbridge pipeline (the alternative to the Keystone XL pipeline).
- Ben Klein (Heather Podesta and Associates) lobbied on behalf of Oxbow Carbon on petcoke and other issues. Petcoke is a byproduct of refining. Communities in Detroit and Chicago have complained about piles of petcoke blowing into the community. Bill Koch (the estranged brother of Charles and David) owns controlling interest of Oxbow. Klein also lobbied on restrictions of ivory imports for Oxbow.
- Fracking company and gas industry trade association lobbyists have also contributed to Clintons campaign, including Former Rep. Martin Frost (D-TX), who lobbied for the Domestic Energy Producers Alliance, and Martin Durbin of the American Natural Gas Association (now merged and part of the American Petroleum Institute API), the nephew of Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL). Another donor is Elizabeth Gore, a lobbyist for WPX energy (fracking). A lobbyist for FTI Consulting, creator of an industry front group called Energy In Depth, also contributed to Clinton;s campaign. Although Clinton has said she would require FERC to consider climate change before granting any new gas pipeline permits, she recently told activists she would not ban fracking as president, and has a pro-fracking track record which has been well-documented by numerous groups, including pro-Clinton Super PAC Correct the Record.
- Mary Streett, a lobbyist for BP, gave Clintons campaign the maximum allowable amount ($2700). Her sister, Stephanie S. Streett, is the Executive Director of the William J. Clinton Foundation and former executive director of the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation (Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation, 990 report 2013). The Podesta Group (Tony Podesta) also lobbied for BP, on issues including the Gulf of Mexico spill response and recovery.
- While Secretary of State, Clinton pushed fracking in countries around the world, through the departments Global Shale Gas Initiative. According to Grist, after the Bulgarian government signed a five-year deal with Chevron, major public protests led the Bulgarian parliament to pass a fracking moratorium. Clinton traveled to Bulgaria and then dispatched her special envoy for energy in Eurasia, Richard Morningstar, to push back against the fracking bans, which were eventually overturned.
Clintons State Department played a major role in negotiating a bilateral oil agreement with Mexico. Her former special envoy for international energy affairs, David Goldwyn, has donated the maximum allowable amount to the campaign ($2700). Although neither he nor his firm (Goldwyn International Strategies LLC) report lobbying during 2015-2016, since leaving the State Department Goldwyn has consulted for companies wishing to profit from Mexicos decision to allow private oil services contractors into the country in order to expand PEMEXs ability to produce shale oil and tap deep offshore reserves.
- David Leiter (ML Strategies lobbyist for Exxon and a Clinton bundler), the former Senate chief of staff to John Kerry, is also a lobbyist for Burisma Holdings, a private Ukrainian natural gas and uranium mining company with many connections to the Democratic Party. Bidens son Hunter joined Burismas board in 2014, right before Leiter was hired to lobby members about the role of the company in Ukraine (arguing for its role in helping Ukraine be independent of Russia). Another board member, Devon Archer, is a Clinton donor (2700). FTIs Lawrence Pacheco does communications for Burisma. Burisma is owned by a Cypriot holding firm, Brociti Investments Ltd, which is controlled by Nikolai Zlochevskyi, a former Ukrainian government minister.
- Although Clinton has said she supports an investigation into Exxons early concealment of what it knew about the risks of climate change and subsequent financing of climate denier front groups, her campaign has taken contributions from at least seven lobbyists working for Exxon, including one in-house lobbyist Theresa Fariello who has bundled and additional $21,200 for the campaign.
- Hess lobbyists from Forbes-Tate (Daniel Tate, Jeffrey Forbes, George Cooper and Rachel Miller) all gave maximum allowable contributions to Clintons campaign. The firm lobbied on behalf of the Hess Corporation, on crude by rail and crude exports. Hess owns rail cars that came off the tracks and caught fire after a BNSF train derailed in North Dakota in early May 2015. Hess is the third-largest oil producer in North Dakota. Lynn Helms, a former Hess executive served as NDs top oil and gas regulator at the Department of Mineral Resources between 2005 and 2013. When Clinton came out in opposition to the Keystone XL pipeline, she started talking about how fixing train tracks would create jobs. In December 2015, a couple of months after Clinton announced she opposed Keystone XL, and just over a month after Obama rejected the pipeline down, Warren Buffett who owns BNSF endorsed Clinton. Buffett is also a big oil investor (e.g. Phillips 66).
- Companies invested in LNG projects with lobbyists that have given to Clintons campaign include Freeport LNG (Elizabeth Gore Brownstein Hyatt, $500); LNG Allies (Michael Smith Cornerstone Gov. Affairs 2700 and a bundler of $59,400); Dominion Resources (Tom Lawler Lawler Strategies, 2700); Oregon LNG (Robert van Heuvelen VH Strategies 2700). Exxon also has LNG projects. Cheniere Energys Ankit Desai not only gave the maximum allowed, but also bundled $140,400 for the campaign. Another donor ($2700) to Clintons campaign is Heather Zichal, Obamas former energy advisor, who joined the board of Cheniere (LNG export company) after leaving the administration.
- Former Rep. Richard (Dick) Gephardts firm lobbies for Peabody Energy (coal), Prairie State (coal-fired power plant and adjacent mine), Ameren Services Co. Gephardt and his wife, son and daughter Chrissy all contributed the maximum allowed to Clintons campaign (Dick is the only fossil fuel lobbyist in the family). Gephardt, a Democratic Party super delegate, has pledged to support Clinton. In February, the DNC rolled back its previous commitment to not take any contributions from federally registered lobbyists. Clintons campaign has also received contributions from lobbyists representing big mining companies Westmoreland Coal, Arch Coal and Rio Tinto.
Other points relevant to lobbyist contributions:
During the New Hampshire democratic debate, Clinton said donations are not evidence of favors. But in 2008, she suggested the contributions Obama took from the industry were evidence of a quid pro quo.
In April 2008, Clintons campaign aired a television ad portraying Obamas support for a 2005 energy bill as a quid pro quo for campaign donations. The ad said Obama had accepted $200,000 from executives and employees of oil companies, while criticizing him for voting for the Bush-Cheney energy bill that that put $6 billion in the pocket of big oil.
The clear message of this ad: Obama backed the bill as a favor to donors.
Its worth noting that Obama didnt take any money from lobbyists or PACs in 2008 and pledged to not take contributions from lobbyists in 2012, too, and gave some donations back.
While mostly true, critics did point out after the 2012 campaign that Obama did take some K Street money.
Other oil and gas industry contributions:
Total direct contributions to the Clinton campaign from industry employees and executives: $307,561
For more information:
Fossil Fuel Funding of 2016 Presidential Candidates (research by Jesse Coleman).
Fossil Fuel Lobbyists Contributions to the Clinton Campaign (research by Charlie Cray).
Jesse Coleman
By Jesse Coleman
Jesse Coleman is a researcher with the Greenpeace Investigations team. His focus is on front groups, fracking, and the oil and gas industry. Jesse's work has been featured in The Guardian, The New York Times, The Colbert Report, Al-Jazeera, MSNBC, and NPR.
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaign-updates/hillary-clintons-connection-oil-gas-industry/
TM99
(8,352 posts)have definitely revealed themselves to be pro-Clinton and anti-Sanders is their reporting.
WaPo gave us Jonathan Capeheart and his vile lies and smears, yet the fucker still has his job.
The NYT's got taken to task by its own editors for negative changes made to a Sanders piece within hours of posting.
Please refute the actual situation. The Sanders campaign was accused by Clinton of lying, and yet the facts are that the activist in question works for GreenPeace. Their study shows exactly how much Clinton has received.
But as usual, instead of refuting facts, y'all double down on the stupid, the banal, and the ridiculous.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It has become a tactic of deflection to cite the letter of campaign finance laws to deny that Clinton's campaign could possibly be supported by Big Money interests like the fossil fuel industry.
Like we have a system in which no campaign or politician can be unduly influenced by Big Corporate Support. As if no politician does "workarounds" like bundlers, PACS and SuperPacs and tactics that allow Big Bidness and their lobbyists to unduly influence our political process -- and the operation of government. and other diversions
This argument contradicts even the "conventional wisdom" of the mainstream for years....Long before Citizens United.
Even, Clinton disagrees with that stupid argument (at least publicly) on her own website.
www.hillaryclinton.com
HILLARY, SEPTEMBER 8, 2015
shawn703
(2,702 posts)About the New York Times
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/16/new_york_times_busted_for_anti_bernie_bias_the_iconic_clinton_endorsing_newspaper_slyly_edits_article_to_smear_sanders/
About the Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanderss-fiction-filled-campaign/2016/01/27/cd1b2866-c478-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html
http://www.inquisitr.com/2869238/washington-post-bernie-sanders/
About NPR
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/04/01/did-sanders-lie-about-clintons-oil-money-npr-factchecker-cant-be-bothered-check
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Now, if only we could get you to drop the "H" with the arrow that points to the right. As we know, we want to take the country to the left.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Let me preface my remarks by saying I don't own a car so my carbon footprint is so small as to almost be non-existent. However I do occasionally take the bus which runs on natural gas.
What are we supposed to do during the transition from fossil fuel to green energy?
If you turn off the fossil fuel spigot tomorrow we would be set back centuries.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)but don't let the fossil fuel industry stop progress into alternative sources of energy...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)I just think it's disingenuous to lead folks to believe the transition will be quick or easy. Want to discourage the use of fossil fuel, place a tax on gas that is comparable to gas taxes in Europe. There is no popular will for that...
I have never heard someone says the price of gas is too damn low.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Husband walks everywhere with a shopping basket, the one you purchase, not the one you usurp from a grocer
We think that would look too homeless
Which we ain't...but almost about 10 years ago...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)The closest grocery, if you exclude Target, to my home is three miles.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)we have stores and fast food within walking distance..not WalMart or Target, but local stores, which I prefer..though a little more expensive.
Detroit, though a 'large city', has NO major stores within the city limits.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Cities need to encourage grocery stores to re-enter the areas they have abandoned.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)Food deserts cause a ton of problems. I do not know what kind of incentives it would take to get stores in the deserts, but I imagine the cost of getting a store would be much cheaper than the cost of poor eating caused by them.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)or for the last year the price for gas is ridiculously low.
Yes, Congress could have used that time to raise the
taxes, even if it helped only the Highway Funds, since bridges
and highways are being unbelievably neglected.
Unfortunately even some Dems would not agree to that,
not to talk about the crazy party.
So what will it take, just for that small effort to come
through? Perhaps the breakdown and deaths on the
Golden Gate or the famous ones in NYC?
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)the stuff you buy in stores has to be driven to them, the garbage you produce has to be driven away, there is carbon produced making the packaging food comes in, I try and recycle everything, but the junk mail I get alone is a huge amount (driven here by the post office) and I have the no junk mail option.
Flying is a huge carbon foot print. I try to not fly anymore, because if I have to travel a distance,I try and bundle my trip with others and drive down together in a packed car, heh. but that is an annual predictable trip and I know others who want to travel there.
If you like to eat beef - cattle produces a lot of methane, a lot more if they are grass fed rather than corn fed. (I learned that on NPR last week.)
this is not a criticism, just things are never straight lines, they are complicated.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)change it is a ever growing disaster.
I don't know whether you have family with
small kids, but I have neighbors with small
children and grand nephews and nieces.
For their sake we need a Manhatten like
project to at least slow the process down.
The Bushes made already sure for themselves,
by acquiring large areas in South America including
all water rights. The rest of us be damned.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)and now purchase our water...why the water companies do not make water bottles recyclable is beyond me?
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)angstlessk
(11,862 posts)I now purchase Nestle Spring Water?
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)I have not bought anything Nestle knowingly, since the 60's when I found out what a horrific corporation it was - anything but Nestle!!! and it is not easy, they keep buying up more and more corporations - Poland spring water and Edy's ice cream and Lean cuisine.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)hollysmom
(5,946 posts)In our town we have a spring well and there is a line in the summer of people filling up bottles and taking it home. the town tests it al the time and it can be closed down for a few days if they find something they don't like. Personally, I have to wonder how the well water can be clean in such an urban area surrounded by rivers that have things like Dioxin bpa in them. People swear it is the best tasting stuff, me I drink from the faucet and since I found out we don't have leadpipes, I don't even run the water.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)They also have jugs you can buy. The best thing is the first gallon is free. There is a small shopping center walkable from my house. MOM's is right there, I can enter it from the back of the shopping center.
They give their employees a nice chunk of money (I believe it is $5,000) if they purchase an electric car. They have charging systems there on the side of the building to charge up your car. I am not sure, however, that their employees are paid enough to buy an electric car.
One can take blown lightbulbs down there, batteries for disposal, plastic bags....
I do have a car but I drive it very little. I moved here so I could walk to metro; I am 4 short blocks behind it.
I feel happy that I have such a great organic store nearby and I wish everyone did.
Sam
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)mostly to family things like weddings and funerals and once a week shopping, both of which I did last week. and once a year a 8-hr drive to my sister's.
definitely not worth buying a new car, keeping this one until I die - and so many have asked if I would buy a new one and give them my old car with it's amazing mileage (hint - keep up with the maintenance)
my town collects everything, they just gave me the recycling schedule - there is even a sneaker collection day. I kind of hate it because I have to store stuff until the right day, just got rid of a burnt out microwave and a 35 year old still working 10 inch TV heh. Next week it is two semi-broken air conditioners.
jcgoldie
(11,656 posts)They ate grass, not feedlot grain. They belched and farted as much as cows. The footprint caused by growing harvesting and transporting the grain used to feed feedlot cattle is way worse than that from cows eating grass and farting a bit more.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...incredibly well in a TV series entitled Occupied.
Norway turns off their export of crude oil and the international ramifications are not pretty.
Great show, filmed mostly in the Norwegian language, with subtitles.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)... he must be worried about Wisconsin, where he needs a pretty substantial victory to keep his chances at all realistic.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)A lot of us, however, have felt increasingly that
he was too kind with her. Even O'Malley attacked
her more than Bernie, and I wished he could have stayed
in the race.
She deserves to have pointed out again and again that
her large support for WS and all other influential
corporations , including fossil fuel ones, are not in
the interest of the people.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)... just saying that he's probably doing it because he has a lot of ground to make up if he wants to win the nomination. He has not attacked all that much, and neither has Hillary. There surrogates have engaged in a lot of attacks, which this forum certainly proves. Compared to the Republicans, the Democratic candidates have been almost saintly in their behavior.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)From Devine and Weaver. I am sure they will be able to turn this into a "send Bernie more money" thing because once again Bernie is being picked on! One thing for sure those two will be a whole lot richer as long as they can keep Bernie running.