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[bravenak]

1. No need to stress about that.

She will be the nominee. Use ignore.

[fun n serious]

3. Yes. I have made up my mind...

I never use to use ignore but have lately.

[bravenak]

6. Use it liberally.

Eventually you will stop seeing the same things repeated over and over.

[Cali_Democrat]

2. Bernie is just not a positive candidate

He essentially says everything is a disaster and everything is falling apart.

He's all doom and gloom which is an argument that wouldn't work in the general election because we have a sitting Democratic president and he's running for the Democratic nomination.

I prefer people who are more uplifting.

[revbones]

5. ROFL ^^This from a Hillary follower^^

Nice. Needed a good belly laugh.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Except Hillary isn't running on doom and gloom

She's running on building Obama's agenda which is much more positive than anything Bernie has to say.

Bernie will never be sitting in the Oval Office anyways, so it's a moot point.

[fun n serious]

9. Thank you.

I honestly feel liberated. I was happy to see I was not alone.

[rusty quoin]

64. I agree that Bernie will most likely not be sitting in the Oval Office.

But he has been important in bringing a more leftist discussion into the process. You cannot say he is unimportant, because at least he wants us to think like the JFK times never mind the FDR times.

[DesertFlower]

75. i agree. nt

[fun n serious]

7. Yes, to be honest with you..

when I watch him I feel the tension, anger and aggression pour out of him. I love Obama and it is increasingly clear Bernie does not believe in anything Obama stands for. That will hurt him since Obama is favored by many. I am a Never Bernie person and proud. It is actually a relief to say that and to know I control my vote.

[riderinthestorm]

4. K and R! nt

Have at it Hillary supporters excoriating BOBs...

[beam me up scottie]

10. PUMA!!!

I've seen the nasty smears you posted about Bernie, if you believed even half of them there's no way you would have ever voted for him to begin with. Spare me the dramatic flourish.

[Vote2016]

26. true

[morningfog]

11. You are self contradicting. You espouse party loyalty and then

aver you would not vote for the party's nominee if it is someone you don't like. You can't be both loyal to the party and disavow that party's possible nominee.

[fun n serious]

13. Bernie is NOT a DEM. nt

[Hydra]

34. What is he then? And what is Hillary Clinton?

If Hillary Clinton can support Henry Kissinger and still have her "D," then what level do we have to go to for someone to get excommunicated?

[fun n serious]

37. Bernie hates Dems. He has a history

of hostility toward us Dems.

[neverforget]

46. Except for all those years he caucused with, voted for Democratic leaders and vote

with the Democrats. Other than that, he totally hates Democrats.

[redstateblues]

59. Except for the time he wanted Obama primaried

but didn't have the balls to do it himself

[Hydra]

51. Ya, didn't think you could explain that one

BTW, who is "Us Dems"? I don't recall Bernie ever hating me or my progressive policy advocacy.

[fun n serious]

52. DNC dems. nt

[Hydra]

58. *DLC Dems*

Fixed that for you.

[morningfog]

48. He is running, and doing quite well, for the Democratic nomination.

You contradict yourself. You are either a party loyalist or your loyalty depends on the nominee.

You cannot be both.

[athena]

12. I spent hundreds of hours volunteering for Obama's campaign in 2012.

I am much more busy now than I was in 2012, but if Hillary is the nominee, I will make time to knock on some doors.

If it's Bernie, I'm sorry, but I just can't do it. I donated to his campaign before he started using right-wing arguments to attack Hillary, but no more. At this point, I think all he cares about is winning, regardless of how much he ends up damaging the Democratic party.

[fun n serious]

16. Yes. I never thought I wouldn't

Vote for Bernie if he were the nominee.. but here I am. I absolutely know I won't I can't. Too much Obama trashing DNC trashing.. It's just not for me.

[beam me up scottie]

31. Wait you said earlier it was because his campaign didn't pay and promote women equally.

Remember?

athena

Once again, please explain why his actions are not consistent with his rhetoric.

Why is it that Bernie can't pay women equally in his own campaign? Why is it that he can't promote women to top levels in his own campaign the way he promotes men? Assuming you're a woman, does this not disturb you in the least?

Personally, I find it insulting that a man would think he would get my vote by saying certain things that are inconsistent with his actions.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1606742

Has that changed for some reason?

[Hydra]

62. Of course!

New talking points were sent out.

BTW, I admit to being a little disgusted how Team Hill is using the Obama Admin as a prop to hold their campaign up. Hillary couldn't be bothered to follow Obama's direct orders while working for him.

That's not the behavior of an ally or someone who supported his Admin.

[beam me up scottie]

71. You noticed that too? They use Obama as a prop every time she does poorly.

After the way Hillary and her supporters treated him in 2008 I don't think I would have the nerve to do that but hey, that's me.

Bernie criticizes Obama's policies and he's a hater who wants to destroy his legacy. Hillary runs a racist campaign that shocked and horrified people around the world and she's his bff.

[morningfog]

50. What right wing arguments has Bernie used against Hillary?

[athena]

65. Some examples:

He insinuates that she's owned by Wall Street. He insinuates that she's a liar. He claims she's part of the establishment. He criticizes her for accepting large amounts of money for her speaking engagements (which many people do, but apparently it's only a problem if you're Hillary). These are attacks that will really hurt her in the general election if she's the Democratic nominee.

Here is a video example:

[demmiblue]

14. Lol!

You so funny.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

15. Vote how you want... That is everybody's right...

Is this the part where you expect Sanders supporters to shame you, fear you, or beg you to vote for him. *Spoiler Alert* He is winning Independents overwhelmingly and they make up 43% of the electorate; I think he will be fine.

[fun n serious]

18. I have always said vote for who you want. I want to see if you will be fine. nt

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

23. I'm new, but I haven't really seen any Sanders supporters demanding loyalty oaths.

All the demands for loyalty oaths have come from Clinton supporters. I am a firm believer in 1 person = 1 vote; and that person can cast their vote on whatever basis they choose (including not casting it)

[hrmjustin]

17. Use ignore. I put 8 Sanders supporters on ignore today and it helped.

I was tired of going back and forth with these individuals. I can't stand watching Sanders either and I turn him off. I was for Hillary in 2008 but I always liked Obama and was ready to support him when she dropped out. I admit it will be hard to support Sanders but if he wins I will vote for him. But i just don't like his negativity.

But he will not win.

[fun n serious]

20. I saw today GOP attack ads on Bernie. It's starting..and it's bad.

Bernie had not seen NEG politics. He will though..

[hrmjustin]

25. I don't think he can withstand the millions in gop ads that would come his way.

[Armstead]

28. And you're certain Clinton could? She is also untested

Other than a couple of senate elections against weak GOP doofi she has not proven herself capable of standing up to GOP attacks in a General Election either.

[fun n serious]

30. She has been attacked for years. nt

[Armstead]

33. And?.....

[hrmjustin]

38. If you think Hillary is untested you are not paying attention.

Good evening.

[Armstead]

42. At least I'm not on your ignore list....yet

Pleasant dreams

[AgadorSparticus]

61. Hillary has been attacked from day 1---as first lady!

It is pitiful and shameful how she has been treated. If anything, she is A real testament to how women or even PoC are treated in the workplace. We all know we have to do twice as much to get the same recognition as our white male counterparts.

Whether you agree with her politics or not, you can't take away that she is an adept politician. She has learned to be ruthless because people have been ruthless to HER. She didn't sink like they thought she would. She learned to swim and be her own force. I have always admired her smarts, strength, and courage and I always will because I know how hard it is for women to get to her position.

No. This woman has been mercilessly vetted since the 90's. I have to agree with the other posters. Bernie has been treated with kid gloves so far. So has Trump, for that matter.

[Armstead]

78. She is tough and strong and competant and can handle criticism

But the issue at hand is whether she has proven that she would be sble to survive GOP attacks in a presidential campsign and win over independents and get enough votles to win.

In that sense she is as unproven as sny other candidate who had not run in a general election.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

54. He's been getting a lot of practice...

...Thanks to the smear machine from David Brock. The Clinton Campaign have used a great many Rovian tactics against Bernie, even attempting to swiftboat him over his activist photos from Chicago.

[demmiblue]

35. Aww... nevermind.

[hrmjustin]

40. Bye.

[demmiblue]

44. Lol! Thanks for supporting a PUMA.

[hrmjustin]

57. How so? Be specific!

[demmiblue]

67. Sorry, not having a dialogue with someone who supports a PUMA.

And yes, I plan on voting for the Democratic nominee, the OP doesn't.

[hrmjustin]

72. Well we won't have to ever engage each other then.

[cherokeeprogressive]

70. Proud to be on your list.

[hrmjustin]

74. You're not on my list. Sorry to disappoint you.

[demmiblue]

19. P.S. Day One

[one_voice]

27. What does that mean?

[HERVEPA]

22. Oh you are so full of it. You were never for Bernie. Really weak attempt there. Try harder next time

[beam me up scottie]

29. You're right, read her transparency page.

[fun n serious]

36. Go look at my previous posts.

I did say I would 100% back him. Not now. He isn't the same as he use to be.

[Armstead]

43. He's exactly the same as he used to be

[fun n serious]

49. No. The aggression and the smearing

of the DNC has escalated a lot. I am a loyal Dem. I can not vote for someone who smears the establishment and Dems in all of his speeches..

[Armstead]

53. He's no different than he's ever been

He was always outspoken on the issues he is outspoken about now and was never a big fan of the hierarchy of the two-party system.

He was probably yelling in his cradle.

[fun n serious]

55. He has turned it up though

I am voting for a Democrat in Nov.

[Gregorian]

24. I always vote for whomever will help the poorest among us.

And Sarandon isn't voting for Trump. That's just silly. We know she is smarter than that.

[fun n serious]

32. I'm not voting for Trump either

I am writing in Hillary.

[Armstead]

47. Hillary or Bust?

[melman]

39. This is a clear violation of the TOS

People have been banned for posts like this.

"Based on the Terms of Service, we have grounds to ban anyone who states that they do not intend to vote for the Democratic nominee in any general election. There is a popular misconception that the "Vote for Democrats" rule only applies after a nominee has been chosen, but that is not correct."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12598967#post1

[fun n serious]

41. I am voting DEMOCRAT.

I am writing in Hillary. It's still primary so....

[uppityperson]

63. Did you miss the word "nominee"? If Bernie is the nominee you say you will write in Hillary.

Based on the Terms of Service, we have grounds to ban anyone who states that they do not intend to vote for the Democratic nominee in any general election.

Also Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground.

[fun n serious]

68. Bernie supporters say they will not vote Hillary everyday. nt

[uppityperson]

77. It applies to them also. I have mostly stayed out of GDP because of the split, but every now and

then, like now, look at a thread and later realize it was in GD-FightClub.

I hear that from friends too and I don't know, things are really bad. The whole thing is bad. I understand some of the frustrations from all sides, but the whole system and the tri-partisanship is awful. I've had to point out to a friend who is of the "let the system collapse and grow strong again" persuasion that the second doesn't always happen. How many failed states, or states (countries) are there around the world where people are suffering basic necessities?

But that is a rant for another time. To answer your reply, I do call out Bernie supporters when I see this also.

[fun n serious]

79. Thank you! nt

It's getting increasingly worse.

[fun n serious]

73. SEE HERE... They should be banned too than

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511607004#post21

[fun n serious]

45. So many of you say you won't vote for Hillary

why not hold them to that standard?

[fun n serious]

76. How about this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511607004#post21

[brush]

56. I've come out many times against the "Bernie or Bust" meme and I have to come out . . .

against this. I am not in agreement with any "Hillary only" OPs.

I will vote blue no matter who.

[fun n serious]

60. I understand. I am not advocating anyone to vote other than how they want to.

I am voting blue too. Write in... I don't think Bernie is a DEM. I don't think he even feels like he is.

[cherokeeprogressive]

66. Fuck party loyalty. And you're not important.

[DesertFlower]

69. i voted for hillary but will have no

problem voting for bernie if he is the nominee.