Bernie was more welcoming to a bird on his podium than his wife by his side

[Cali_Democrat]

There’s an awkward video of Bernie Sanders and Bernie’s interaction with his wife Jane Sanders that’s making the rounds, and it’s not a good look for Bernie. Senator Sanders was speaking in Madison, Wisconsin, when the “snub” against Jane happened. The Democratic presidential candidate spoke at a campaign stop on Saturday, March 26, with Bernie being exuberant over his recent victory — however, during that celebration, Sanders made a move against Jane that isn’t going down well over the Interwebs.

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As reported by the Blue Nation Review, Bernie was celebrating a great election night, but in the moment that Sanders was expressing his joy, video caught Sanders acknowledging Jane — on Bernie’s all-important right-hand side — but at the same time making a motion to wave Jane away when she stepped forward.

Bernie can be heard either telling Jane not to stand there or “don’t stand next to me,” with an arm movement that pushed Jane back gently, as if to instruct her that he didn’t want her standing there the whole time. It may have been an innocent instruction towards his wishes at the moment — but it’s not being received well online.

With Bernie’s wife, Jane, being held up as a woman who has long supported her husband, to see Bernie wave Jane away or tell his wife not to stand there is being interpreted as Bernie not wanting to share the spotlight with his “help mate” or right-hand woman. As expected, such a gesture is making people online react with fury.


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So, could Bernie waving away his wife become the awkward “Howard Dean scream” moment for Sanders? Time will tell, but reactions pouring into social media don’t bode well for “Birdie Sanders,” who is being accused of being more welcoming to a bird on his podium than his wife by his side, sharing a moment of victory.

Read more:

http://www.inquisitr.com/2932016/bernie-sanders-tells-wife-jane-not-to-stand-next-to-him-could-it-cost-bernie-the-presidency-video/

[Scuba]

1. Already debunked. Just another David Brock smear.

[Cali_Democrat]

4. What was debunked? The video is there for all to see

It's pretty clear that he snubbed his wife.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

12. how can you sleep at nights?

[RufusTFirefly]

113. I've often wondered the same thing.

Merely attempting to fathom the inner thoughts of smear merchants is enough to make my head explode.

Whether their motivations are mercenary, Machievellian, or the borne out of deep delusion, I truly feel sorry for them.

[Gomez163]

159. I have this wave machine

[Scuba]

13. Not a snub, a smear by the King of Smears, Hillary's guy David Brock ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511592817

[Cali_Democrat]

21. It's an MSNBC video. David Brock has nothing to do with it.

It's a campaign event video.

You've been misinformed.

[beam me up scottie]

24. Paula gave credit to Brock's smear in her article, don't you read this trash before you post it?

As reported by the Blue Nation Review, Bernie was celebrating a great election night, but in the moment that Sanders was expressing his joy, video caught Sanders acknowledging Jane — on Bernie’s all-important right-hand side — but at the same time making a motion to wave Jane away when she stepped forward.

[Cali_Democrat]

27. It's a 20 second video of a campaign event

Did Brock actually wield the camera?

[beam me up scottie]

33. That lying misogynistic scumbag was the one who "broke" the story and started this smear.

Where do you think that idiot Paula saw it?

[Cali_Democrat]

36. MSNBC broke the story when they showed the campaign event on live television.

It's a video.

Brock didn't break anything.

[beam me up scottie]

40. Bullshit, his propaganda outlet put the story out there.

And now you drag Mooney's allegations that Bernie abuses his wife back to DU and put it on display so you're no better.

[Cali_Democrat]

41. Again....it was live footage from MSNBC. They showed Bernie's event live

and the video was posted to youtube. Viewers of MSNBC could see Bernie snubbing his wife.

Brock had nothing to do with it.

[beam me up scottie]

43. He was the one who alleged that Bernie mistreated his wife on stage, not MSNBC.

Stop being deliberately obtuse, no one's buying your act.

Read the other responses to your thread, any credibility you might once have had on ANY issue is long gone.

I'm glad you finally showed the real you.

[R B Garr]

50. It's a video. Saying someone has no credibility when they can watch a VIDEO

that clearly shows what happened makes you the one with no credibility.

[beam me up scottie]

55. Nice try but anyone who sides with Brock and Mooney are no better than they are.

[R B Garr]

57. Bernie and Jane Sanders were in the VIDEO.

Not Brock and Mooney. Credibility, try some.

[beam me up scottie]

61. Anyone who alleges that Bernie mistreats his wife is just as scummy as Brock.

[R B Garr]

74. What's "scummy" is to twist someone's words and harass people here

by calling them names for just posting a campaign VIDEO. It was a VIDEO during one of Bernie's campaign stops.

Do you know many men who act so with such hostility towards their wives like that?

[beam me up scottie]

78. No the allegations are scummy. And do you really want to bring up who treats his wife badly?

Probably not a good subject for y'all to dredge up.

[R B Garr]

134. You are the one using the words about

wife abuse. No one else is using them. But you are. The VIDEO speaks for itself.

Between his hostile body language at the debates towards Hillary and now towards his wife, it's laughable you are trying to sweep it under the rug as if we all didn't see it.

And more laughable that you threaten about the Clinton's. They've survived nothing but these assaults and are stronger for it. Who cares what dead horses you want to beat about them.

[beam me up scottie]

136. Nope, that's all you guys, gasping in horror and gossiping about Bernie and Jane like church ladies.

Between his hostile body language at the debates towards Hillary and now towards his wife, it's laughable you are trying to sweep it under the rug as if we all didn't see it.

ZOMG THE HORROR!!! I MAY NEVER RECOVER!!!

[R B Garr]

142. No, it's about you switching the subject because

all you have is personal attacks.

Now you are pretending the content of the video is what your original focus was. Your original focus was to attack a poster here for posting the video. Since that attack didn't work, you are pretending a hostile move from Bernie towards his wife is worth a smile.

So it's actually you who has been "revealed" here.

[beam me up scottie]

143. He didn't post the video, he posted tabloid gossip about a Democratic candidate.

And y'all fell for it.

[R B Garr]

149. The VIDEO was from a public campaign stop.

Just admit the real reason you are pissed is that he is finally being scrutinized. Explain what about that moment enhanced his image.

[beam me up scottie]

152. The op IS GOSSIP FROM A TABLOID AND IT'S PEARL CLUTCHING FODDER FOR CHURCH LADIES.

[R B Garr]

196. The VIDEO shows what it shows. To one side,

Bernie greets a young woman warmly.

Then he turns to his wife and is hostile. That's what the video shows.

It was not from a gossip site. It was at his victory speech. In public.

Explain how humiliating his wife in public enhances his image.

[beam me up scottie]

198. The op isn't just GOSSIP it's the POUTRAGE du jour! ZOMG BERNIE ABUSES HIS WIFE!!!

SOMEBODY CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!



Have you read all of the responses to the op? This thread is full of win!

[R B Garr]

202. LOL, yeah, I see what you mean!!!

This is fucking HILARIOUS!!!!

So funny!!!!!!

[beam me up scottie]

206. It is!!! Post after post laughing at the gossipy faux scandal about teh EVUL BERNIE!!!

[R B Garr]

211. Yeah!!!!!!!! HILARIOUS!!!

oH yEAH.

jUST tHe fUnnIest stuff eVer!!!!

[AgadorSparticus]

298. Glad you have the patience. lt is all about personal attacks these days on DU.

I am waiting for someone to come in defense of the video and not just to attack the poster. One can hope. ...

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

230. They are wishing and hoping so hard for a "Dean Scream" aren't they?

I don't know quite why they are hoping for a Dean Scream, since Hillary's gonna win New York by a billionty-billion votes. Or so they say.

[Marr]

130. You know, this coy, 'who, me?' shit from Hillary supporters really gets old.

[polly7]

151. Yeah .......... it's laughable, and has been for ........... forever. nt.

[R B Garr]

197. Yeah, I'll put you down for Bernie coddling only.

Talk about things that get old!

[roguevalley]

112. how about this? Let's say its true. a small gesture. What about sending your wife out to lie that

you didn't cheat on her when you KNEW you did? What kind of gesture is that or does it matter? Bernie is a good guy and his wife is his partner in all matters. I would let this dog lie.

[beam me up scottie]

120. I forgot about that, he did send her out to lie, didn't he?

I defended Bill from the right wing partisans and hypocrites who used the scandal to try to impeach him but I won't forget what be did to his wife.

[roguevalley]

137. yeah, he did. I remember being lit thinking about how stupid he let her look.

[beam me up scottie]

139. He humiliated her, I understand that it's her choice to stay with him but I wouldn't have.

The double standards here make my head spin.

Bernie = wife abuser

Bill = loving husband

[itsrobert]

157. Bernie and Hillary are the candidates, not Bernie and Bill

n/t

[beam me up scottie]

164. When you bring spouses and the alleged mistreatment of them into play Bill is fair game.

Y'all should know better.

[itsrobert]

169. But Hillary hasn't mistreated Bill

Bernie mistreated Jane.

[beam me up scottie]

171. Bernie never mistreated Jane, claiming he did exploits the issue of spousal abuse.

And Bill's own behaviour towards his wife is a matter of public record so don't complain when people being it up and use it to counter your smears.

[itsrobert]

173. You may have a valid argument if Bill was running for President

but he isn't.

[beam me up scottie]

174. No but his SPOUSE is. If you want to question the state of a couple's marriage Bill is fair game.

Keep going there and complaining, you reap what you sow.

[roguevalley]

192. then leave Jane alone

[bvar22]

296. Or Hillary sending her own daughter in front of the World to LIE for her.

Now that is disgusting.
The only one who knew what Bernie meant with that small gesture is Bernie. To me, it appears he was protecting his wife.

[Cali_Democrat]

51. Brock is now responsible for MSNBC showing footage of Bernie snubbing his wife?

[beam me up scottie]

58. Bernie didn't snub his wife, that's Brock's own misogyny tainting his views on Bernie.

[Cali_Democrat]

66. It was a clear snub. nt

[polly7]

175. NO, it wasn't.

and it doesn't get any more truthful the more you say it, but carry on. I'm sure it makes you feel better about something or other.

Btw ........... did Bill Clinton abuse his wife?

[choie]

190. Are you and the other Clinton supporters so threatened

by the overwhelmingly enthusiastic and positive response to the video of Bernie showing his humanity toward a little bird that you'd try to smear him with this? Really disgusting..

[polly7]

184. And like I said before ...... it's a sick, abusive tactic in itself.

USING the very real and often deadly topic of partner abuse to smear a good man and his wife - over an arm wave, ffs, probably meant to help her and a gesture he makes a hundreds times in every speech I've seen. She talks of him in glowing terms, you can see the love and respect they have for one another. This is nothing but a pile of steaming bullshit.

[beam me up scottie]

188. It really is, the things they're saying about him here: "creepy", "disturbing", etc.

It sounds like either they don't know what spousal abuse is or they do and are exploiting battered women for sport.

Either way their posts are what's disturbing.

[dchill]

276. Finally? Not the first time for this "Democrat" to show...

willingness to be deliberately obtuse. Not to mention intellectually dishonest.

[pangaia]

210. " Bernie snubbing his wife. "

jesus on a toothpick is that stupid..

[beam me up scottie]

214. "jesus on a toothpick is that stupid.."

[pangaia]

220. I was going to say on a popsicle but wasn't sure I could spell it..

[dr60omg]

238. Again debunked and apologized

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/an_apology

[SusanCalvin]

265. Thank you.

I assume this is the original source?

[LiberalFighter]

53. I'm wondering if someone is keeping their eyes closed to avoid the truth?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

178. And racist. I believe Anita Hill would agree.

[beam me up scottie]

181. Yes, that too. But as long as he's doing Hillary's dirty work he's a hero!

[Bohunk68]

172. Are you claiming not to know that Blue Nation Review is Brock's blog?

It is right there in your OP.

[riversedge]

336. So many of them just make up their own stories. Showwwwwwwww fly

[cwydro]

15. She looked like her feelings were badly hurt.

That video is clear.

I liked Bernie, but that video bothered me.

[pangaia]

213. Bull shit, it did.

[cwydro]

229. You're clueless. nt

[lagomorph777]

31. Now you're playing Donald Trump's War on Wives game? You really wanna stoop to that level?

Disgusting.

[beam me up scottie]

37. Of course, there is no limit to how low they will go.

Consider the source.

[Gothmog]

119. The source was MSNBC

[beam me up scottie]

145. The source was Brock's propaganda outlet. Quit blowing smoke, we know who started this.

Read the responses in this thread, no one is buying that act.

[pangaia]

216. This is one of the dumbest fuck threads I have ever seen.

Source, who give a shit..

Bernie didn't want to wack his wife in the head when he got to flailing so...

Your patience is far greater than mine...

[beam me up scottie]

219. This thread is priceless, have you read all of the replies?

At first I was disappointed but after seeing the EPIC smackdown the op received it's become one of my all time favourites.

The fact that some of his fellow supporters joined us and let him have it just makes it that much better.

[pangaia]

222. I quit while I was ahead..

But, at your suggestion, I'll go back and read some more...

[tblue37]

250. This is pretty much what I say in my post #246 below. He immediately

flings his right arm out--as he always does when speaking, and often does with both arms--so he might have wanted to make sure she was out of the way before he started speaking and gesticulating again. But even if he was being a butthead of a husband (something that is really not at all clear, since without more information the action could be interpreted quite differently), that alone would not bother me, for the reasons I explain in my post #246.

[Segami]

46. Ding, ding, ding....David Brock calling all his apostles

to come share a slice of pizza with him at Blue Nation Review...hurry, before the slice runs out!

[pangaia]

204. BULL SHIT, IT IS...

[dr60omg]

239. EVERYTHING the whole story was debunked as a smear

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/an_apology It even merited retractions and apologies f.e.http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/an_apology

[unapatriciated]

285. No it is not clear

I won't hold my breath for your's or brock's apology for posting a story right out of the playbook of trump. brock is still degrading women and you carried the water for him. You and others saw what you wanted to see and the hillary camp keeps saying Bernie is the one running a negative campaign.


NCRM published an inaccurate and unfair story today, and we apologize.

by DAVID BADASH
March 27, 2016 5:49 PM
An Apology

Sunday afternoon The New Civil Rights Movement published an article on Senator Bernie Sanders with a video showing him speaking to his wife, Dr. Jane Sanders, as the two were onstage. The article inaccurately described their interaction, and even incorrectly reported his words. The Senator appeared to say to Dr. Sanders, "Don't stand there," and we reported that as, "Don't stand next to me."

Worse, however, was the tone of the article. It described the Vermont Senator as a "cad," which we have no reason to believe is fair.

snip-
This was not newsworthy, and that we suggested it was by publishing it did a disservice to our readers and to the Senator and his wife. For all this we apologize to our readers and to Senator and Mrs. Sanders. We were wrong. Our readers, and Senator and Dr. Sanders deserve better. Again, we apologize, to you all.

The article has been taken down.

Readers were, rightly, quick to challenge us, and we appreciate your words. Every comment on our website, on our Facebook page, and every email has or will be been read. It's impossible to respond to them all, so we offer this by way of a thank you, and we ask you to give us another chance with your trust.

David Badash
Founder, Publisher, and Editor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511597267

[beam me up scottie]

290. I'm waiting too, we should keep this kicked.

[unapatriciated]

292. don't hold you breath

they doubled down

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1600422

[beam me up scottie]

294. Of course he did, even more reason to remind people of this.

[KingFlorez]

18. Do you know what that word means?

I saw it live on television and it was pretty clear what happened. He snapped at his wife and practically shooed her away.

[global1]

2. I Hear That There Are 150 FBI Agents Investigating His Actions Here & He May Be Indicted...(sarcasm)

Come on - is that all you got?

[snooper2]

3. Looked like a pretty dick move to me (Don't Stand There), I guess he gets his way around the house

I told you NOT to leave the place mats on the counter! They belong in the bottom cabinet! LOL

[CalvinballPro]

8. Something tells me the chores in their house are socialized. By which I mean, she does them all...

...and he helps himself to the results.

[beam me up scottie]

26. Something tells me anyone who thinks like that is probably projecting.

But hey, we're all just speculating here, amirite?

[KingFlorez]

32. Considering who worked and earned that cash

That's likely an accurate assessment.

[jeff47]

68. Yeah, remember the People magazine article where Bernie was doing the laundry during their visit?

Apparently not.

[RANGERMAN89]

128. Yah and meanwhile at the Clinton household

Bill is off having affairs with campaign staff

[itsrobert]

160. "Get out of my chair"

"and why don't you have my beer waiting for me?" Always felt sorry for Edith.

[Autumn]

254. One could say Bill got his... in the White House, the Governors mansion

among many other places. Those were some dick moves. Just sayin.

[Ash_F]

6. He needed a safe zone for the arm waving

nbd

[JudyM]

34. LOL! And there you have it, folks. Nt

[JonLeibowitz]

86. Is waving your arms now a bad thing?

[JudyM]

107. 'Course not! He's naturally very gesticulatively expressive, it's part of his communication.

But I think he probably didn't want Jane in his airspace at that moment. He was just starting his speech and that's a part where you have to be most focused. Maybe I'm biased but I don't think what he did was so bad... Why did she walk up and start talking to him when he was starting to talk? Seems like she was asking him where she should stand, and he told her, if a bit brusquely.

[RufusTFirefly]

121. Haha! I'll bet that's it!

When those arms get going, it's like putting your fingers near the blades of a lawnmower.

Imagine what a field day the smear merchants would have if he accidentally bumped her while waving his arms.

[pangaia]

218. Ex-fucking-actly

Jeesh.. what in the living hell is with these people??

Do they REALLY believe what they write?? really?
Are they that blind and dumb??

[Z_California]

7. Thanks for adding such substance to the debate

Brings back great memories of 2008

[snooper2]

10. Step 1, Ignore- Step 2, Change Subject- Step 3, Defend- Step 4, Justify- Step 5, Repeat Step 1

[lagomorph777]

76. I think Hillary and Donald are working together

He's just a red herring to guarantee the GOP doesn't win the White House. And she's adopting his War on Wives strategy.

[immoderate]

9. OH! MY! GOD!!

--imm

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. David Brock is really busy this morning

Comes from Brock, not even worthy of bird cage liner

[cwydro]

19. It's a video.

Brock didn't create what happened.

The video is clear. And unsettling.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Can you say angle?

Never mind. Op it is not unsettling.

What should be unsettling is that there is a very serious scandal wanting to boil over

[beam me up scottie]

47. The implications of spousal mistreatment are all Brock's.

And since he once called Anita Hill "slutty" and humiliated her afaic anyone who pushes his smears here is no better.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

110. This pisses me off to no end to see Hillary supporters pushing this LIE that Bernie

snubbed his wife, makes me REALLY fucking angry.


Having said all that, I wonder if these people would be going to these ugly extremes were Hillary not attacked all day every day here and elsewhere.

What do you think?

[beam me up scottie]

117. Some would and many have been doing it since he announced.

Plenty love to troll and divide us by exploiting racial and gender related issues.

I can only speak for myself, I stick to facts and issues when I criticize Hillary. I do not engage in, condone or encourage smears from my side. I want to be able to live with myself after this is all over.

[SwampG8r]

234. Thank you

For your decency
No snark all respect

[Jackie Wilson Said]

235. Thanks...

One thing I know, make that two

1. Bernie only cares about the people, not making himself rich

2. Bernie cares about minorities and women including his own wife

[R B Garr]

52. Yes, it is very creepy. Unsettling is a good word.

Definitely a dark moment.

[asuhornets]

14. I agree...we need to get to the bottom of this...n/t

[Logical]

16. My god are you desperate. Nt

[HumanityExperiment]

17. Troll bait...

more from the usual suspects... LOL

[beam me up scottie]

22. PAULA FUCKING MOONEY???

She put a warning before the video:

Warning: The following YouTube video contains an explicit word in the title, “Bernie Being A D*** to His Wife on National TV – ‘Don’t stand next to me.’,” which could be offensive to some viewers.

[R B Garr]

56. You can title something anything you want. That doesn't change what was

in the VIDEO.

[beam me up scottie]

63. PAULA FUCKING MOONEY!

[R B Garr]

75. BERNIE AND JANE SANDERS. VIDEO.

CAMPAIGN STOP. IN PUBLIC.

[beam me up scottie]

83. *watches video* CLUTCHES PEARLS, SCREAMS AND SWOONS!!!

I'VE BEEN TRAUMATIZED FOR LIFE!!!

[R B Garr]

138. You were insulting someones integrity here

for posting this video of Sanders. Now your switching to the CONTENT of the video as if that's what your original attack was about. So predictable.

LOL at your own DRAMA and subject switching to personal insults. Its like clockwork.

[beam me up scottie]

141. He didn't post the video, he posted tabloid gossip about a Democratic candidate.

And you guys all tut tutted over it like it was the WORSTEST THING YOU EVAH SAW!!!

IT'S DISTURBING!

WHO KNOWS HOW HE TREATS HER AT HOME???

PART OF A PATTERN THAT SHOWS HOW HE FEELS ABOUT WOMEN!!!

ZOMG!!!

Y'all remind me of church ladies gossiping about their neighbors.

[R B Garr]

148. The VIDEO was from a campaign stop. In public.

It was from a campaign stop. In public. You are just upset that he is finally being scrutinized. Just admit that is what you are angry about.

[beam me up scottie]

150. The op IS GOSSIP FROM A TABLOID AND THE HEADLINE WAS EDITED.

Stop pretending it's just a video, you're embarrassing yourself.

Read all the other responses, no one is buying the innocent act.

I'm enjoying this thread immensely.

Please continue.

[mac56]

23. Ahem

[CoffeeCat]

59. I think we have to realize that there are some Hillary supporters who are only here

to try to demoralize and attempt to make Sanders supporters feel like shit.

I think they live in some fantasyland where posting middle-school Bernie barbs has a magical, powerful effect on Bernie supporters. We're supposed to become so demoralized that we no longer support him anymore.



I'm not kidding. That's what they think.

Notice that they rarely post anything in the affirmative about Hillary? Most of their blatherings are about how horrifying and terrible Bernie Sanders and his supporters are. We're sexist (and so is Bernie). We're also racist (and so is Bernie). In general, we are bad people being led by the a sexist, racist, elderly, rude monster.

These are not serious people.

[ibegurpard]

25. what a fucking stupid article

[marions ghost]

28. This is just ridiculous

So he's a New York native--he's direct and straightforward...

And wow--is that ever refreshing!!!

[ThePhilosopher04]

29. Just stop it. Doesn't make your side look good. Really.

[TheDormouse]

30. I saw it live & was disturbed by it but we don't know the backstory

and without knowing that, we're not in a position to condemn him.

Have you never snapped at a loved one?

[whatchamacallit]

35. I'd be embarrassed to post this silly shit

but that's me.

[zappaman]

101. I think armageddon is on the way seeing as how I agree with you.

[whatchamacallit]

105. We probably agree about 40% of the time

which is pretty good for democrats.

[zappaman]

126. I disagree with that.

More like 42%.

[whatchamacallit]

189. !

[Karmadillo]

38. How many innocent Libyans, Syrians, Iraqis, and Hondurans died as a result?

[JudyM]

87. ^^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^

[floriduck]

39. Wow Cali_Dem, you've outdone yourself.

And that is not easy to do. Are we now moving into the spousal abuse implications? Jane's stance was too close to his speaking area so he had her move. I didn't see any displeasure on her part.

What's with all the mud flinging over meaningless events, absolutely none of which impacts a candidates ability to perform the duties of the position they seek. Just tell me one thing;are you being paid to dredge crap like this up? Why not let David Brock do it all for you!

[My Good Babushka]

42. Never interfere

in a boy and girl fight
Words of Advice for Young People, William S. Burroughs.

[Bluenorthwest]

44. Really? This is a new low.

For you personally, not for your cohort which has no bottom to the lows it will sink to.

[Cali_Democrat]

54. Thanks

[floriduck]

60. Answer my question.

Are you being paid to post this shit? A simple yes or no will work fine.

[Bluenorthwest]

108. Don't worry, you are floating just a milimeter or so above the open antisemitic posters and soon

I'm sure you will sink below even them. You got moxy!

[beam me up scottie]

122. Well said, every time Bernie has a good day they sink even lower.

We knew it was coming and they didn't disappoint.

[lunamagica]

45. Picture the video. Now, picture PBO and Michelle instead of SBS and Jane. Do you see this happening?

Me neither. Nothing resembling this has happened in all their years in the spotlight

[Jamaal510]

326. In a Saturday Night Live sketch, yeah.

Otherwise, no.

[IdaBriggs]

48. ROFLMAO - now you want to bring spouses into it LIKE REPUBLICANS DO?

Shall we bring up Hillary's husband's history of sexual infidelities? Kind of an open secret!

[jillan]

49. Welcome to Trump style campaigning by the Clinton Camp! Use the wife to attack your opponent instead

of debating the issues.

Congratulations Team Clinton. Donald must be proud of you.

[Agschmid]

62. Jury results...

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:54 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bernie was more welcoming to a bird on his podium than his wife by his side
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511593090

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a nasty smear from a right wing hack, accusing Sen Sanders of sexism and mistreatment of his wife is way over-the-top and the kind of thing Skinner said we need to stop.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Mar 28, 2016, 01:02 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is a stupid article but it's not against the tos to be stupid.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The video is real. The fact that some DUers don't like it doesn't make it worthy of a hide.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is a pathetic, ridiculous smear, but this is a political message board. I'm a Sanders supporter, and do not agree with the opinion. However, I don't believe it violates DU TOS, and people are able to refute it.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: SO fucking HIDEOUS.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I wish we could be better than this... I don't know much about the source, I did a quick Google but didn't get much. I will say that this post is just OTT, Bernie although not my candidate is not a misogynist which seems to be the gist of the article. A very frustrating hide, but a hide. -Agschmid

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[CoffeeCat]

80. haha, I have to laugh Agschmid

because you (a Hillary supporter) voted to hide; whereas I (a Bernie supporter) voted to leave it.

You said this was a frustrating hide for you. This was frustrating for me to leave.

However, I rarely vote to hide--due to disagreeing with the opinion, because I don't think that's a fair way to be a juror.

I think this is one of the most far-reaching posts I've ever seen at DU.

[Agschmid]

84. It is certainly ironic, I guess we cancelled each other out :)

[JonLeibowitz]

98. Agschmid, the source is Blue Nation Review, David Brock's super PAC

That it is on a different site is just Brock smearing the smear around the internet.

i would have voted to leave actually, simply because the tactics are so transparent that they should be on display for all to see.

[NorthCarolina]

64. Good grief. What a moronic assertion and post.

eom

[grntuscarora]

65. Pathetic attack on Bernie.

Really, this OP reeks of desperation.

Very sad.

[DesertRat]

67. I watched the video. He acted very rude and dismissive of his wife.

[hollysmom]

69. I love how people who think talking about Clinton's connection to wall street is a personal smear

but an out of context video pretending that Sanders is rude to his wife is fair game - some people have no concept of fair play it is win at any means. These people get the government they deserve, but drag the rest of us along with them to the garbage bin.
trash - today's theme.

[JonLeibowitz]

102. Joel Benenson said today Hillary won't debate in NY until Bernie improved the tone of his campaign.

LOL! And then her super PAC does this.

[Arugula Latte]

70. Wow. This is a truly pathetic post.

I almost feel sorry for you.

[cherokeeprogressive]

71. It's not a video that's awkward, it's this POST.

A Howard Dean scream moment for Sanders? You guys on the Hillary Train must be losing a lot of sleep to think this is anything more than nothing at all.

[unapatriciated]

72. and barking like a dog was a good thing.

both are non incidents and have nothing to do with issues. But some can't wait for what seems like a gaffe just to get a shot in.

Jesus I'm sick of this type of stupidity, makes us all look like we are taking pointers from the repugs.

[Marr]

73. If this is the best you've got to distract from Hillary's possible criminal indictment...

I actually feel sorry for you.

[elehhhhna]

79. but but but bill always respects hillary lmao (blowjob) cough

[CoffeeCat]

94. Yes and isn't that the OBVIOUS irony here?

That's the first thing that came to my mind when I read this.

Oh, the crazy irony!

If waving away your wife is some GINORMOUS sign that Bernie is a terrible human being and a misogynist, then...hmmm what do Bill Clinton's past actions make him?

Evidence that the OP is clearly not applying the same outrage to others.

This whole thread is comedy gold.

[beam me up scottie]

96. Right??? I am so glad it wasn't hidden.

Watching the hypocrisy and weaseling is delicious.

[Armstead]

77. From that same source "Indictment may be inevitable for Clinton. May not be able to campaign."

yep, great source of deep journalism you chose for that little hit piece.

[AZ Mike]

81. Bernie was so rude to his wife for having her re-position on the stage.

Slick Willie was so rude to his wife for having sex with an intern in the Oval Office.

To-MAY-to, to-MAH-to, right?

BFD.

[renate]

153. :D "so rude to his wife for having sex with an intern"

I'll admit, I saw it live and thought "awkward," because I would never direct somebody without a please or thank you (although I'm pretty sure that he didn't say "Don't stand next to me" as so many people have said, he said "Don't stand there," a very major difference; it bothered me enough that I backed up the DVR to listen again). But I think that's kind of his New York style--direct. It would drive me up the wall to not bother with the niceties, but I'm a left coaster.

[glowing]

193. Living in VT hasn't helped... People are pretty direct.

They tend to start talking and in minimal amounts as well. It took me moving to the South to learn hospitality and using polite terms toward people. I was pointedly told more than a few times, you aren't in the north, slow down, and be more polite... Now, I'm in FL and those terms are a joke here.

[Philly-Union-Man]

82. I don't think spousal disrespect is an issue the Clintons want to bring up.

Seriously. Do they forget who they are?

[beam me up scottie]

85. ^^^THAT RIGHT THERE^^^

[lumberjack_jeff]

95. Heh. +1 n/t

[TDale313]

244. Yep. They really don't want to go there. n/t

[NorthCarolina]

88. Bill was more welcoming to an intern in his office than his wife by his side.

Anyone have a link to the awkward video?

[JonLeibowitz]

106. Contact the BLUE nation review. They love DRESSing up the facts.

[SMC22307]

267. ...no matter how much they Tripp over themselves. (n/t)

[Nanjeanne]

89. Seriously?

As many times as Jane Sanders has been on the podium, stood with her husband, been spoken of so lovingly by Sanders - this one moment when you can barely hear what is being said - and not one person has any idea why it was said - THIS is going to be what Clinton fans are holding up as proof of some character flaw??????????????????

I don't think any Clinton supporter should try to make anything out of Bernie and Jane Sanders' relationship. I have zero interest in wallowing in the much of the Clinton's marriage and there's plenty more muck there than this.

[snooper2]

131. He said, "Don't Stand There" , because that is where the next bird was supposed to land

I crack me up almost as much as GD-P cracks me up! LOL


Obama- 4 More Years!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

90. EEEK! He's a sexist wife abuser and a (GASP!!) birdlover...not to mention, a Socialist!!

How ridiculous can you get?

[beam me up scottie]

91. Oh my, I am just LOVING the responses to your op, Cali.

[LAS14]

92. Oh, for crying out loud!

I'm a Hillary supporter, but I'm also a spouse, and I know that there are a million photos that could have been taken with no knowledge of the context which would look damning. This is not worth discussing!

[beam me up scottie]

93. Thanks for saying that.

I feel the same way when Bill's affairs are brought up to use against hillary, it's wrong to push tabloid style smears against either candidate.

We're better than this, or we're supposed to be.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

97. Now you are starting to piss me off.

Not only do I not hear him say that, if he did say that I am sure it is because she was too close and he was flailing about with his arms as he always does and didnt want to smack her in the process.

What you or anyone else here is alleging really pisses me off.

[zappaman]

99. Seems like

[Sky Masterson]

100. Kind of sounds like the Hillary camp is trying to push the idea

That Bernie hates women or something.
I remember the "Bros before Hoes" thingie they tried to use against Obama in 08
and with the present "Bernie Bros" campaign they are kind of stoking sentiment that somehow
Hillary Clinton is being attacked because of Gender.
I am not saying that in some cases that it doesn't happen because people are inherently assholes,
But its not as big a thing as they protest.
I also find it funny that most supporters of Bernie would gleefully drop a vote for Elizabeth Warren.

[mhatrw]

103. LOL! Desperate much?

[Motown_Johnny]

104. Just when you think only the (R)s are attacking spouses,

the Clinton side goes there too.


This is the kind of thing that makes me reconsider my stance to vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination.


Want to drive more Bernie supporters away from her? Keep it up.

[kiva]

109. You are seriously not embarassed about posting this?

Jesus, you are really beyond any possible sense of decency, posting any crap from this source much less a story that the National Enquirer wouldn't run.

[Shadowflash]

111. The visual equivalent of the OP --

[Change has come]

305. OMG

That is one of the funniest things I've seen posted at DU!

[beam me up scottie]

337. LMAO!

I missed that!

[glinda]

114. What would the PR teams say if Bernie accidentally hit her in the face then?

It was a moment and unscripted and I can see it was difficult to figure our where she should be but certainly not in his space with his arms waving about.

[tblue37]

252. I was just watching a video of their many appearances on the stage together, and

in all of them the body language is clearly affectionate, and he always has her next to him, and usually with his arm around her and a big smile on his face. He also is often saying nice things about her.

This makes me think that he was just trying to keep her from getting in the way of his gesticulating arm as he began to speak again, because he knows he always flings his arms out (especially his right arm) and gesticulates widely when he speaks.

[tblue37]

256. BTW, as a woman who raised her own two kids to adulthood, as well as helping raise 35 other kids

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in my daycare over 18 years until my kids grew up, his gesture seemed very familiar.

I recognized his action as exactly the sort of thing I always did with my kids (my own two and my daycare kids). I was always gently moving them out of the way (often with an outstretched arm as in the video, or with a gentle hip push on the way by) when I thought that if they didn't get out of the way I might accidentally smack them while moving around to take care of business. Or I would always move their cups away from the edge of the table or away from where one of the kids was bouncing around or gesticulating in a way that could easily knock the cup over and spill its contents.

[glinda]

283. good observation

[morningfog]

115. Ah the smell of rat fuckery and desperation in the morning. Sour grapes on the side. LOL

[JI7]

116. disgusting OP

[Nightjock]

118. Shame on you Cali

shame on you. This is so wrong. If possible please take this down.

[RDANGELO]

123. This is a distraction from the point that the Hillary camp is evading a debate in New York.

I don't think they care if it sticks; its just a distraction.

[FlatBaroque]

124. The Clintoons come up with an ISSUE!!!

[dr60omg]

125. Do you smear? Yes, you do: a little birdie told me

Yes, because these blogs that try and represent themselves as news when there is no longer any news have a problematic engagement with anything factual .... The Inqusitir has a really fake history of false stories of aggregated news http://www.snopes.com/tag/inquisitr/

Furthermore as I investigated the story I did not see it in Blue Nation News (and that is a site run by David Brock) ... there were not any stories on this ...

I am so tired of the lies and the smears by the Clintons ...

[MisterP]

127. NCRM apologized for the lie, instead of doubling down on it and screaming bigotry

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/an_apology

[Svafa]

129. Wow, things are getting desperate at camp Clinton.

[one_voice]

132. So now we have this..

Democrats posting this and thinking it's a good thing. YAY look what the other side did.

Reminds me of when the Trump ad of Hillary barking (all out of context) was posted here and some thought that was just dandy.

This is what is looks like when you eat your own.

[nichomachus]

133. And you wonder why everyone thinks Clinton supporters are disgusting. nt

[greyl]

135. Your headline is stupid as shit,

and the article is full of many more dumb as shit spun statements, including a false quote. He said "Don't stand there", not "don't stand next to me".

You should be ashamed.

[ljm2002]

140. You people really are shameless, aren't you?

But by all means, let's discuss the marital relationships of our candidates. Let's start by asking the question: which husband disrespected his wife by cheating on her repeatedly, year after year after year? vs. the one who awkwardly told his wife to move on stage, once.

Please proceed.

[AzDar]

144. Blue. Nation. Review. The Clintons and their Lee Atwater-wannabee grow more desperate & dirty...

[Hell Hath No Fury]

146. I'll just leave this here -

[nc4bo]

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Posting pictures of steaming turds is gross and over the top.

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[polly7]

147. Almost embarrassed for you. Yet kind of happy to see your camp so desperate. nt.

[beam me up scottie]

155. I'm happy to see most Hillary supporters know better.

Watching the others though?

[rurallib]

156. that is one of the most pathetic posts I have seen in my 12 or so years here

really had to twist things to make it fit in that gnarly bs.

[polly7]

158. I know .. it's like something a little gang of elementary school bullies would

write up in a note and throw across the classroom to spread, hoping to hurt their target of the day. Almost unbelievable that adults would do it.

Ick.

[rurallib]

161. I am trying to steel myself to vote for Clinton in November if I have to

but shit like this really makes it hard.

And the strange thing is those who post shit like this really think it helps their candidate.

[MisterP]

170. worse--to them it's a clincher, something you can't come back from

too bad it holds true only in their little Mary Daly-esque bubble

[questionseverything]

225. well i am still hoping i don't have to make that choice but

i know to do so i will have to leave du

[casperthegm]

154. Really? This is what you've got?

Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war, supports fracking, opposes reinstating Glass Steagall, does not want free education for all, does not support expanding beyond ACA, did support NAFTA and TPP.

BUT; there is this video of Sanders. Guess that is what really matters, right?

Good grief. Is this really what you're going with?

Why don't you just try doubling down on the auto bailout again?

[ucrdem]

162. C'mon folks, this will blow over in a day. Clinton gaffes are FOR-EVAH.

And everyone here well knows it.

[peace13]

163. I saw that the blue dress had checked in but I don't believe that we've heard from the cigar!

[TransitJohn]

165. jesus fucking christ

it's desperate and disgusting in here sometimes

[yawnmaster]

166. It is unfair to start calling Bernie a misogynist because of this one video. It is unclear...

why he didn't want her standing there - only conjecture. If he was a misogynist, one would see more examples of this behavior. I'm not seeing them.

be fair.

[amborin]

168. baseless smear of a desperate campaign that's losing the nomination

[timlot]

180. Baseless? There is Video...

Bernie folks can spin all they want to, but this looks bad. It doesn't fit with the nice wholesome northeastern liberal image he presents. I'm praying for you Jane.

[melman]

282. Look

Real Bigfoot Footage

You might say it's fake but there's video and it's clearly labeled. Therefore, I know that it shows what the uploader claims.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

176. Challenge: calculate the odds of me EVER voting for Hillary Clinton.

And get ready to melt your scientific calculator in the process. When I said I won't knowingly permit liars to run their game with me, I actually meant it.

[jillan]

177. He said that and Jane moved to the other side. So what?

[TeeYiYi]

179. Oh my god, I was afraid to watch the video...

...because I was afraid of what might be in it, based on your OP.

But, I watched it, and I'm so relieved to find that the implied message behind your OP was disingenuous in its accusation, and at the same time, I'm so disappointed in you, Cali_Democrat, for posting this invented narrative as fact.

For anyone who hasn't watched the video, Bernie is standing at the podium, making large gestures with his arms, as he always does. His wife steps up to tell him something and he quickly tells her, "Don't stand there," so as not to get hit by his arms; so she recognizes his concern and says, "Ok, what? Oh, ok..." and hurriedly steps back again...as he continues with the arm gestures.

It's two best friends, lovers, companions, communicating with each other.

I'm glad that I watched the video but at the same time, I'm shaking my head at certain members of DU that would push such obvious bullshit out of, I don't know...desperation?

TYY

ETA: Your OP suggests that Bernie pushes his wife. I just watched the video again and he never touched her.

[Bjornsdotter]

182. Oh No!!!!

[noiretextatique]

183. David Brock must not remember the blue dress

Really stupid to go down tbis road.

[hellofromreddit]

185. Are you sure you don't belong in the Cruz campaign?

They like to judge marriages too.

[wendylaroux]

186. Gee, i thought you were different. Cali the democrat

:

[ibegurpard]

208. wherever did you get that idea?

[wendylaroux]

221. she just seemed a little mellower.

[EdwardBernays]

187. every time

a thread like this gets posted, more Bernie supporters become Bernie or Bust-ers.

If Hillary gets the nomination, then loses to Trump, she'll have no one to blame but her supporters... who somewhat ironically probably learned all of their dishonest tactics from watching her...

the circle of awful continues...

[bettyellen]

191. No one cares, please leave their marriages alone. We are better than this.

[tkmorris]

262. Some of you are better than this

Apparently some aren't. Not only is the OP just COMPLETELY beyond the pale, there are quite a few in this thread defending it as well. It appalls me that DU has come to this. Without any real consequence to their actions some posters are treating this place like the comments section on a YouTube video.

[bettyellen]

264. Most of us are. But with the bullshit that gets posted in GDP, people are fed up.

I am fed up to, but not stooping to this crap. He did it first is a bullshit reason to do anything in my book.

[Bucky]

194. Blue Nation Review is a bottomless pit of bullshit

I really hope Clinton cuts Brock and his pathetic website loose asap

[frylock]

195. Gosh, I hope their marriage isn't in trouble.

[renate]

212. that is really the only rational response to this BS

I genuinely hope that Hillary didn't approve this nonsense because it is NOT making her campaign look good, both because it's stupid and because it shows a real lack of judgment, given Bill's past. His crassness and mistakes aren't her fault, but there's no way not to link the two of them in people's minds.

[JonLeibowitz]

339. Now that's a good looking couple! Bernie should ask for marriage tips from them.

[Kittycat]

199. Wow. Hillary Bully Guard, salute.

Vile Trash. From Brock's Propoganda Wing.

[Dem2]

200. I'm sure it was nothing

I doubt this story has much behind it. Let it go.

OK, I watched the video - there's NOTHING there, this is a stupid story.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

201. Some of Paula's other blockbuster "reporting" --

Thigh Gap Jewelry? Website Debates A Skinny Trend Gone Too Far http://www.inquisitr.com/2934187/thigh-gap-jewelry-website-debates-a-skinny-trend-gone-too-far/ …
PAULA NEAL MOONEY ?@PAULANEALMOONEY 21 hours ago

Kim Kardashian’s Diet: Here’s Her 42-Pound Weight-Loss Diet http://www.inquisitr.com/2930573/kim-kardashians-diet-heres-her-42-pound-weight-loss-diet/ …
PAULA NEAL MOONEY ?@PAULANEALMOONEY Mar 26

Nicki Minaj Throws Security Guard’s Phone In Dubai — Meek Mill Got Drake’s Ghostwriter Hit: Quentin Miller [Videos] http://www.inquisitr.com/2929881/nicki-minaj-throws-security-guards-phone-in-dubai-meek-mill-got-drakes-ghostwriter-punched-says-quentin-miller-videos/ …
PAULA NEAL MOONEY ?@PAULANEALMOONEY Mar 26

Shark Cartilage Powder Pills: Do Viviscal And Nourkrin Really Grow Hair? http://www.inquisitr.com/2916131/shark-cartilage-powder-pills-do-viviscal-and-nourkrin-really-grow-hair/ …
PAULA NEAL MOONEY ?@PAULANEALMOONEY Mar 22

LeBron James, Beyoncé, And Jay Z: 3-Way Love Triangle Rumors Reignited Via Jeff Adrien’s Twitter http://www.inquisitr.com/2887573/lebron-james-beyonce-and-jay-z-3-way-love-triangle-rumors-reignited-via-jeff-adriens-twitter/ …
PAULA NEAL MOONEY ?@PAULANEALMOONEY Mar 14


And my PERSONAL favorite:

Pearling: Dangerous Practice Of Placing Pearls In A Penis Has Doctors Warning Against It http://www.inquisitr.com/2886334/pearling-dangerous-practice-of-placing-pearls-in-a-penis-has-doctors-warning-against-it/ …
PAULA NEAL MOONEY ?@PAULANEALMOONEY Mar 13

Somebody get this woman a Pulitzer!

[pangaia]

203. What an absolute fucking crock of shit..

[orpupilofnature57]

205. Kitchen Sink time again, I see . Bill never ignored or insulted Hillary, Huh . Ever spent every

second of the day with your spouse for a long period of time ?

[noretreatnosurrender]

207. What's that smell?

Wow I could smell the stench from this OP from the other side of DU. Whew! I'm glad my name isn't linked to creating this OP.

[morningfog]

209. Utterly bullshit headline. You should be ashamed.

[DanTex]

215. LOL. Apparently Bernie fans don't like this OP very much.

[TheFarS1de]

217. Did I step in something ?

....no it's just this OP .

[cherokeeprogressive]

223. The recs list on this thread reads like a veritable who's who. I have to admit though...

There are a few names missing but most of the names on it I could have totally predicted.

[nadinbrzezinski]

224. I rarely look at those

but yup, you are correct.

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

233. Thanks for pointing that out

Makes a handy add to ignore list.

[hrmjustin]

226. K&R!

[deathrind]

227. This is actually a thing?

Stay classy HRC...

[jfern]

228. But "a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty" is fine? Fuck David Brock and all he stands for.

[Ilsa]

231. And how often does Sec. Clinton let Pres. Clinton

Stand next to her at a victory speech? Everytime, or does she keep him in the shadows sometimes?

[John Poet]

232. 'BlueNationReview' is now just as scummy as BREITBART!

WHY DON'T YOU just post some fucking moonie Washington Times links while you're at it??!!

Maybe a few choice pages from Rush Limbaugh's diary....

You know you want to...

[MisterP]

245. a lot of her fans were also fans of Melissa Click, Jackie Coakley, Crystal Mangum back

when those stories broke: it's political Münchhausen's Syndrome

[dr60omg]

237. Debunked and apology

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/an_apology Do you notice how the story is fake and it merited an apology from the New Civil Rights movement among others

[islandmkl]

240. in the game of marital relationships...i believe you will find...

that an extra-marital blowjob trumps a wave off every time...

all contestants involved are scored equally....and there is no statute of limitations for scoring...

you fucking people are pathetic and I have no trouble lowering myself to your miserable level...

once I shower off all the shit I got into down there with you is merely a faint memory...

[BeanMusical]

241. Cool story bro.

[cui bono]

242. Are you and bravenak in the same contest?

I hope the prize is worth what it's making you look like in the eyes of others.

.

[rhett o rick]

243. You are lowering this to a new low. How low can you go?

Can't win on issues so you attack his family. I knew that the closer the race got the lower and lower you guys would get. But it kinda epitomizes the Clinton campaign. "Anything to win, right Karl"

[tblue37]

246. Actually, considering the way he used his arms immediately afterward and the way he normally uses

his arms while talking, he could have just been asking for room to the side to continue his gesticulating. Or he could have been being a butt. However, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt most of the time.

Besides, people--male or female--who get into positions of power usually do have tendencies toward self-absorption and projection of dominance. In general I find such attitudes and behaviors obnoxious, but I am never surprised to find them in those who seek to wield power.

What I am most interested in is what that power will be wielded for--i.e., whom it will be used to benefit--and how it will be wielded. We have 25 years of evidence that Bernie tries to wield power to benefit the 99% in their ongoing contest with the 1%. If he mainly wanted power to benefit himself, he would be a whole lot richer (just as other politicians get a whole lot richer with even less time in national politics).

Furthermore, Bernie was clearly reluctant to run for president. He was hoping Warren (or some other warrior for the 99%) would step up. One reason his campaign didn't do enough early before a year ago to lay a solid foundation for the primaries was that he was not planning to run. I don't think he has ever wanted to be president, and I think he would have gladly avoided the job (and especially the campaign) this time if he didn't feel that someone needed to represent the rest of us in the country's political arena.

[pangaia]

289. Your last paragrahh, espcially, tells the straight truth.

I always knew he didn't WANT to be president. He is doing it because nobody else will. SOMEBODY has to do what he is doing.
he is the perfect example of th 'reluctant hero.'

GO BERNIE !!!!

[Autumn]

248. One could say a cigar is just a cigar, unless you use it for something else...

[In_The_Wind]

249. Indeed

[Autumn]

255. It ticks me off that people want to play this game,

[In_The_Wind]

260. And, truly, it is a game to many. Remember Wag the Dog.

[cui bono]

251. You can delete this now since it's on record as being incorrect. Link inside:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511597267#post32

Apology and retraction for printing an incorrect story.

.

[Cali_Democrat]

257. After taking your post into consideration, I've come to the conclusion......

....that my post will stand.

The article references a video and it's clear that he snubbed her and told her to move.

It was very disrespectful IMO.

People can watch the video for themselves.

[cui bono]

258. Of course you're letting it stand.

Would expect no more or less from you.

Nevermind the facts, you've got a whole lot of propaganda to catapult!!!

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[Cali_Democrat]

259. ...

[Autumn]

261. Here's a kiss

[beam me up scottie]

281. Now THAT is a SNUB!

[G_j]

288. just pitiful

[Gothmog]

295. The video speaks for itself

[R B Garr]

269. The video speaks for itself.

The video speaks for itself.

[cui bono]

271. How so? The site that had it up said they got it wrong.

So what do you think it says?

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[R B Garr]

272. Ah, " the site says"

Last edited Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:49 PM - Edit history (2)

I didn't realize that wasn't Bernie and Jane in the video. It looks just like them.

Edit to add:
Edited to add the sarcasm tag for the poster cui bono who, after 24 hours of spamming me with dishonest questions, thinks she is being clever by pretending that I was confused by who was in the video. I don't need a website to tell me what or who I just saw in a video. So I'm adding the SARCASM tag because it was a sarcastic comment about who was in the video. It's OBVIOUS who was in the video.

This confusion scam is just a way to get posts hidden.

[cui bono]

273. Where does it say that it's not Bernie and Jane?

You're not making any sense.

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[R B Garr]

274. Talk about not making sense.

I can see for myself who is in the video. Laughable that you think some site is going to tell me what I saw for myself on the video.

The video speaks for itself.

[cui bono]

275. Again, where does it say it's not them in the video?

If you are having trouble following the convo, start again at the beginning.

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[R B Garr]

277. Omg, read your post #251.

Ordering someone to take this thread down.

Your quote: "the site that had it up said they got it wrong"

Then I said the video speaks for itself.

LOL,

[cui bono]

278. Again, where does it say it's not them in the video?

Where?

It's a simple question about an assertion you made. Why can't you just answer it with a link or a quote to where it says that that is not Bernie or Jane in the video?

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[R B Garr]

279. Well. You said they got the video wrong.

Which is impossible, since the video speaks for itself.

[cui bono]

284. So did I or they say that it wasn't Bernie or Jane in the video?

If you would bother to take the time and find out what you are talking about you would see exactly what the site said they got wrong. It wasn't something as stupid as saying it wasn't Bernie or Jany in the video.

Would you like me to tell you everything or can you go read the article and find out the truth on your own?

Or are you just going to ignore the facts so you can continue to try to swiftboat Bernie?

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[R B Garr]

293. The facts are in the video. The video speaks for itself.

No wonder you take this tactic, though. Trying to obfuscate something as obvious as a video just to attack people is a fool's errand. LOL.

[cui bono]

300. What "tactic" am I taking? You stated something very odd that I'm trying to understand...

Ah, " the site says"

I didn't realize that wasn't Bernie and Jane in the video. It looks just like them.

But you won't answer a simple question. Your post implies that the site said that Bernie and Jane are not in the video. I'm trying to find out where you got the idea that the site or anyone else has said that?

Why won't you tell me how you came to that thought? Or where the site said that?

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[R B Garr]

301. LMAO! You are hilarious! This can't be for real.

Let's review.

--Your post 251 orders someone to take their post down because you claim the video has been debunked and you reference a website that has supposedly debunked the video.

--My post said the video speaks for itself.

My post said the video speaks for itself because I don't need a website to tell me what I saw. I know what I saw. No one needs to tell me what I saw. The video speaks for itself.

This is going on 24 hours now that you keep insisting you don't understand. Obviously Bernie and Jane were in the video. Obviously...

[cui bono]

303. Again, why do you think anyone is saying Bernie and Jane were not in the video?

Can you point me to what made you come to this conclusion?

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[R B Garr]

304. Aww, this is just a dishonest question.

You think you are being clever, but it''s very dishonest.

It's obvious who was in the video. I don't need a website to tell me what was in a video I just watched.

But here ya go since you're acting confused:

[cui bono]

306. Why is it dishonest? I'm not trying to be clever. I'm asking you a simple question.

Why on earth won't you answer it?

Where did you get the idea that someone said that was not Bernie or Jane in the video?

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[R B Garr]

307. It's very dishonest. You are obviously just baiting

me to say you are obtuse or stupid or a liar so you can get a post hidden. If you go that route, I'll be sure to alert the results because of your blatant dishonesty.

Where did you get the idea that's what I said? Link.

Explain how it is not obvious who is in the video.

[cui bono]

308. What are you talking about? I'm asking you a simple question.

The fact that you can't answer it shows that you are wrong but can't bring yourself to admit it.

Here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511593090#post300

Your post #274 is where you said that. So again, what gave you the idea that anyone said it was not Bernie or Jane in the video?

It really is a straightforward question and anyone who was actually trying to have a real discussion would simply answer it by showing what gave them that impression or by saying they misinterpreted it. I'm not sure why you are making a little game out of this. Well I'm pretty sure...

If you would just answer this question I have another for you about what you think the video is saying.

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[R B Garr]

309. Read the thread. It's an obvious game you are playing. I even edited that post

to help with your phony confusion.

Explain how it's not obvious who is in the video. Explain from your post 251 what you continue to be confused about.

[R B Garr]

310. Here you are in another thread playing the same confusion scam game. How dishonest.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027724453 Your post 18 asks for a quote already supplied. Obviously.

That Susan Sarandon quote has been splattered all over this website, but you are harassing someone to quote it for you. An obvious dishonest game.

[R B Garr]

311. More of your dishonesty. Read your post before it. Read the numbered posts.

I'm only playing along with this so people can see how dishonest you are. It's truly pathetic. But I'm not the only one you do this to.

Jury: This poster has been spamming me for close to 36 hours with the same dishonest question for obvious reasons other than understanding the numbered posts.

[R B Garr]

312. Explain how its not obvious who is in the video.

[R B Garr]

313. Explain why your post 271 says the site got it wrong. Explain why you think I need a site to tell

me what can be seen with my own eyes.

Explain. Then you won't need to spam me anymore with phony, dishonest questions.

[cui bono]

314. Careful... you seem to be short circuiting!

Seriously, calm down before you hurt yourself. Five replies to one of my posts! Wow!

Here, I gathered them together so you don't fry your brain having to split your responses into five subthreads. And at the rate you're going that would turn into 25!





Okay.... so...

You're asking me to explain how it's not obvious that that is Bernie and Jane in the video. So again, I have to ask, what made you think anyone said that it wasn't Bernie or Jane in the video? Why won't you answer that question? You implied as much, so what brought you to that conclusion?

If you apply logic you'll see that that is a perfectly reasonable question. If you answer it we can continue to have a discussion. You keep responding, so I assume you are looking for a discussion, but I don't know where to take it if I don't know how you came to that idea. Logic will help you not short circuit again too. It's very calming.

So what was it that gave you that idea? Where did that site (or I?) say that it wasn't Bernie and Jane in the video?

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[R B Garr]

315. Talk about short circuiting. This is now 48 hours since that post and you still are playing

this childish game. Talk about short circuiting...

It's obvious from the posts what I meant. You are just trying to pretend that I'm confused about who was in the video when I was obviously being sarcastic.

I don't need a website to tell me what I saw in the video. It's obvious what was in the video. Wasn't it? It was obvious who was in the video. Right?

[cui bono]

317. I'm not pretending you're confused about whose in the video. I never even said that.

Again, I ask you, what gave you the impression that anyone said it was not Bernie or Jane in the video?

You implied it, I just want to know why. You even asked me to explain how it's not obvious that it's them, which follows that you think I or someone I'm talking about (the site) said it wasn't them. So again... what makes you think that anyone said that?

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[R B Garr]

318. But it's obvious who is in the video. Right?

I don't need a website to tell me.

[cui bono]

319. You don't need a website to tell you who is in the video? I hope not.

But that's not what you said earlier. You implied that someone said it was not them. So I'm trying to figure out why you said that.

But I'll take you trying to turn it around now as a concession that you misspoke. So yes, of course it is obvious who is in the video. That was never in question.

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[R B Garr]

321. Being sarcastic isn't misspeaking. You are just trying to complicate it to be hostile.

This is really just hostility you are showing. I added the sarcasm tag for you. That was last night. 24 hours ago. My original post was 48 hours ago (over 2 days ago).

So, it's obvious who is in the video, right? Right.

[cui bono]

324. Hostile? Not at all. I was asking you the question long before you edited as you can see

by my copy/paste of your post. What you said was not sarcasm. That makes no sense.

So did you not think someone said it was not Bernie or Jane in the video? Why didn't you just say that to begin with? We could have had a nice discussion this whole time instead of you attempting to insult and berate me as I asked you a simple question that could have been answered in your first reply.



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[R B Garr]

325. It's obvious it's them in the video, right?

[R B Garr]

316. Oh, and your methods and "talking points" seem familiar. Almost like they came from someone else...

Hmmm.

[cui bono]

320. I'm not using any talking points. Why are they familiar? Who do you think they came from?

I'm more curious about this than the other question.

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[beam me up scottie]

322. She's probably referring to me since she can never win a debate with me either.

That's the problem with people who don't know how to use logic and reason, they rely on emotion and get flustered. That's when the personal attacks begin.

She is so predictable.

[cui bono]

331. It's pretty weird. I love the constant projection. I really wanted to know why they thought someone

had said it was not Bernie or Jane in the video.

Another unsolved mystery!

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[beam me up scottie]

333. Did you see our exchange upthread? One of the most bizarre things I've ever seen.

She kept insisting the op posted a video and that I objected to the non existent video instead of the hit piece.

It's like she was talking to someone else, she never once addressed what I actually posted.

[cui bono]

335. I did not, but I might read it for some entertainment!

The lack of logic and ability to follow a discussion is scary considering we're on a message board that is supposed ot be frequented by those who are more informed.

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[R B Garr]

323. This is over 48 hours now of this nonsense.

[cui bono]

328. I agree! So answer the question and be done with it.

As you keep replying I thought you wanted to discuss this, but as I mentioned earlier, that answer is needed in order to continue the discussion because the very nature of it depends on how and why you got the idea that anyone said it was not Bernie or Jane in the video.

Because, you see, no one ever actually did say that. So we have to clear up a false premise in order to continue a discussion. But if a discussion is not what you want, then feel free to stop responding. My feelings won't be hurt.

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[R B Garr]

329. But it's always been obvious it's Bernie and Jane in the video. Right?

[cui bono]

330. That's not the issue, but if you want to think that's your 'graceful' out, then so be it.

It's kind of like when my 5 year old niece was sitting in a car seat that her brother wanted to sit in and it was his turn to sit in it. She just wouldn't get out. She was having quite the tantrum. I told her we weren't going anywhere until she let her brother have it because he has already shared his toy and given up that seat and I wasn't going to ask him to compromise again. Once she realized she was not going to win she decided to change the subject and said she was cold and could she have her jacket. I said yes, that she could come out and get it to put it on. So she got out of the seat and put her jacket on and then her brother got in it and she got in the other car seat.

So yes, it has always been obvious that it's Bernie and Jane in the video. Feel better now?

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[R B Garr]

332. Yet my first post said the video speaks for itself. I don't need a website to tell me what I saw.

So.....since you agree it's OBVIOUS who was in the video, then it is you who can't admit that you're harassing me for reasons other than who was in the video.

And I told you I played along so people could see how dishonest you are with this 48 hours of pure nonsense. My first posts answered your questions and were in response to you ordering someone to delete this thread because you found a website that disputed the video. But there is no disputing the video. The video speaks for itself.

Sorry you wasted 48, now close to 56 hours just because you wouldn't go back and read the posts. Your posts reminded me of someone else who pretends she can't understand things, ideas or concepts unless the words are ordered in the exact sequence she demands. Frikkin hilarious!

[cui bono]

334. If you say so.

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[Nye Bevan]

253. As a Hillary supporter, I think folks are making a bit too much of this.

Yes, he came across as a little rude, but it was just because he was eager to get back to his speech. Not a big deal at all.

[Cheese Sandwich]

263. Let's have a debate about which candidate has a healthier marriage. You can start.

[840high]

266. Totally debunked. Apologize.

[Mary Mac]

270. I can't imagine Nancy ducking Ronnie's arms

but to each his own I guess. Nonstory.

[Liberty Belle]

280. Even if there is video I can think of many credible explanations.

Your link does not include the alleged video. During his San Diego event, Jane was at his side and he was smiling with arm around her, embracing her multiple times during the night.

If he did ask her not to stand in a particular space, it could be:
* because she would be blocking a teleprompter
* because she would be blocking a supporter on the stage behind him
* because there was gum on the stage
* because of some Secret Service concern raised
* because there was something else he wanted/needed her to do
* because someone else was about to join him on stage

They are an obviously loving couple, and this is much ado about nothing from a known Clinton backer. Apparently her campaign is getting rather desperate.

[B Calm]

286. Hillary campaign is the one throwing mud.

[TheFarS1de]

287. It's brown ....

but it ain't mud

[marmar]

291. David Brock is no better than Karl Rove.

[NorthCarolina]

297. A special link Just For You Cali!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1597267

[rhett o rick]

299. You've hit a new low but I bet you are a big hit back at the Cave.

I guess it does epitomizes the Clinton campaign. Nothing is too low to win and make money.

[Sunlei]

302. she can't stand on that stage mark because his arm out, speaking gesture will hit her face.

I don't understand why most people can't notice that easily.

[basselope]

327. LMAO! This debunked nonsense is still making the rounds.

Damn, Clinton really is THAT scared.

[Eko]

338. Not exactly the best manners in the world

but a bit overblown I believe.