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Splinter Cell

(703 posts)
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:29 PM Oct 2012

My Father's vote was just stolen in Ohio...

Last edited Sun Oct 28, 2012, 11:21 AM - Edit history (2)

My father had a stroke a few years ago, and he has trouble reading. He votes absentee, so my mother can help him with the ballot. Well, he sent in his ballot a couple weeks ago, and he did EVERYTHING as instructed. Everything was signed, documented, etc. Proper postage and everything.

Yesterday, he got a letter from the Butler County board of elections saying something was not up to snuff with his ballot, and he had to provide one of the following blah blah blah. One of the choices is his drivers license number, which he already included on the absentee ballot. It says he has to deliver it by hand to their office and his deadline is November 16th.

So basically they're only gonna count it as a provisional ballot. What really happened is they opened his ballot, and saw that he voted for Obama, and now they're not going to count it. I don't know who to contact. I'm so pissed I can't see straight.


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My Father's vote was just stolen in Ohio... (Original Post) Splinter Cell Oct 2012 OP
Don't take it lying down Samjm Oct 2012 #1
First thing to do is obvious--call them and ask them to explain the letter. flpoljunkie Oct 2012 #2
DOJ Ph# listed further down 202-514-1412 Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #105
Please report this to the press abelenkpe Oct 2012 #3
Unless he took the photo before he mailed it in, how could he possibly take the photo now? LisaL Oct 2012 #4
The board cannot destroy the ballot.... yet. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #64
The press is the only option since the GOP owns the OH govt. This is shocking. Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #96
The Republicans are stealing the election, one vote at a time. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #5
From the DOJ website octoberlib Oct 2012 #6
THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^, TOO! Cha Oct 2012 #58
Raise hell and keep us posted. Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #7
If proper hell is raised, the OP will not have time to keep us posted. MrMickeysMom Oct 2012 #47
Ask your local news to go with you elehhhhna Oct 2012 #48
Go with me? MrMickeysMom Oct 2012 #89
lol no, directed at the op oops elehhhhna Oct 2012 #103
Do NOT let them get away with it. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #8
Damn. That is so wrong. Ilsa Oct 2012 #9
I suspect they are doing this to the elderly who they think will do nothing about it. bkkyosemite Oct 2012 #10
I think I'm just as mad as you..no I am just as mad as you. bkkyosemite Oct 2012 #11
Yes keep raising hell, and keep us posted. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #12
i betting what's happened is his signature doesn't match the one they have on file NMDemDist2 Oct 2012 #13
They told him how to fix it. Father has to show up in person with a drivers' license. LisaL Oct 2012 #16
See the post below by JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #17
ask them if a notarized letter with his new signature will suffice NMDemDist2 Oct 2012 #21
I agree that this could be the easiest option, if they will accept it. Travis_0004 Oct 2012 #110
+1 NMDemDist2 Oct 2012 #112
But notice the date November 16th aka vote doesn't count. nt progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #55
Not true... rexcat Oct 2012 #67
From another thread here: abelenkpe Oct 2012 #14
Fight!!!!!! skeewee08 Oct 2012 #15
A good place for this piece of info: TalkingDog Oct 2012 #18
Do you live close enough Iwillnevergiveup Oct 2012 #19
Call an Obama election attorney, Chris Redferns office might be able to help n/t Ninga Oct 2012 #20
Do this! SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2012 #37
First of many. Dj13Francis Oct 2012 #22
Dont take this lying down please outsideworld Oct 2012 #23
Is it possible that since his stroke, Mr.Bill Oct 2012 #24
Then why do they want him to show up in person with his drivers license? LisaL Oct 2012 #25
If he is able to show up with his license, they can say he shouldn't alfredo Oct 2012 #71
No, that's absolutely false. LisaL Oct 2012 #73
Good. alfredo Oct 2012 #87
The "in person" is a new directive from SOS Husted as of 10/3 Ms. Toad Oct 2012 #79
That doesn't change his identity mzmolly Oct 2012 #27
Of course it doesn't. Mr.Bill Oct 2012 #30
Ah, gotcha. mzmolly Oct 2012 #33
Fight them and enlist the help of local Obama office if possible. Write to liberal newspaper JackN415 Oct 2012 #26
What most of you don't realize... tonybgood Oct 2012 #28
Go to Boehner's Office anyway No Vested Interest Oct 2012 #56
DOCUMENT with MEDIA when Boehner tries to NOT help - NELSON PIERCE JR. | OHIO Community Journalist Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #107
Anyplace that is HEAVILY republican islandbobbi Oct 2012 #60
Welcome to DU, aloha. mahina Oct 2012 #78
So this is how they plan to steal it Hutzpa Oct 2012 #29
If your circumstances permit, publicize it with... Maineman Oct 2012 #31
Great idea, provided his dad feels up to it physically. nt 99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #46
Does he personally have to deliver it? wildeyed Oct 2012 #32
Brilliant thought, wildeyed. sevenseas Oct 2012 #51
Bastards. Lot's of good advice in the replies. geckosfeet Oct 2012 #34
Raise hell, and keep raising hell.......... Faryn Balyncd Oct 2012 #35
Get yourself to one the Obama campaign's offices and ask to see a lawyer. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2012 #36
Take it to Reddit... PsychGrad Oct 2012 #38
THIS. ^^^ Duppers Oct 2012 #84
******THIS****** Hosnon Oct 2012 #120
This is how they win! asjr Oct 2012 #39
YES...They cheat.... sevenseas Oct 2012 #53
Butler County has a bunch of idiots. Norbert Oct 2012 #40
This is typical in Florida too... Sancho Oct 2012 #41
Please do the following things: Botany Oct 2012 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author BKW Oct 2012 #43
NELSON PIERCE JR. | OHIO Community Journalist CONTACT INFO: Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #106
Take it to the local Fox affiliate GETPLANING Oct 2012 #44
GO to this site, Election Protection for Ohio.... inamatteroftime Oct 2012 #45
Republicans Can't Win Without Voter Suppression itssimplestupid Oct 2012 #49
And I Forgot itssimplestupid Oct 2012 #52
They destroyed the evidence. All data was to be kept for two years alfredo Oct 2012 #72
Contact the County District attorney first Coyotl Oct 2012 #50
Look at it this way... Democratopia Oct 2012 #54
Contact OFA RomneyLies Oct 2012 #57
They are aware of this problem Ms. Toad Oct 2012 #68
Splinter Cell Diclotican Oct 2012 #59
Contact the local AARP. They care if their members get to vote. McCamy Taylor Oct 2012 #61
ONE of the choices was drivers license number julian09 Oct 2012 #62
In Ohio... rexcat Oct 2012 #70
This is the form that needs to be completed Ms. Toad Oct 2012 #77
And to think I was always taught that a SS # could only be tied to your Social Security.... Pachamama Oct 2012 #99
Wow, indeed, National identification Card. antiquie Oct 2012 #102
K&R Hubert Flottz Oct 2012 #63
My Father's vote was just stolen in Ohio... Gladys P Oct 2012 #65
This is a new (relatively) directive from Husted Ms. Toad Oct 2012 #66
Who qualifies as a voter with disability? LisaL Oct 2012 #69
Here is what the text of the directive says: Ms. Toad Oct 2012 #74
Sounds good to me! LisaL Oct 2012 #75
They need to be stopped JamesL2012 Oct 2012 #76
Call the board of elections. barbtries Oct 2012 #80
Reporting Voting Suppression Issues or Fraud Me_Bushwacker Oct 2012 #81
Fight this all the way DebbieInOhio Oct 2012 #82
The Ohio SOS issued the directive which required the local BOE to take the steps they did. Ms. Toad Oct 2012 #85
SOS Husted is the one doing all these things (ordering that a voter has to appear in person) LisaL Oct 2012 #92
Hopefully your local democratic party can help you with this jimlup Oct 2012 #83
Contact Rev Al malaise Oct 2012 #86
FYI I overheard someone in Roseville MN Eye Doctor's office kickysnana Oct 2012 #88
Probably the same thing-some imaginary error on the absentee ballot. LisaL Oct 2012 #93
UPDATE, election official resigned, staffer let go, posting on another thread to refer back to this. freshwest Oct 2012 #90
Turn The Tables FXBGr Oct 2012 #91
Swear out a complaint, send it certified with copies to MSNBC and the NYT DFW Oct 2012 #94
Please cool down, call that board of elections, and ask what to do. I am sure this can be solved. RBInMaine Oct 2012 #95
Dunno Ohio Highlander Oct 2012 #97
Call You Congressional Office and the local ACLU j3161usa Oct 2012 #98
They saw he voted for Obama? Fla Dem Oct 2012 #100
Ohio opens them early, so they can cut down the workload on Election Day. riqster Oct 2012 #114
This is a serious threat to our voting system and need to be fully investigated-not silenced.. midnight Oct 2012 #101
The "something was not up to snuff" and "blah blah blah" parts kind of lost me slackmaster Oct 2012 #104
Do something constructive. Don C. Nuttin Oct 2012 #108
866-our-vote EC Oct 2012 #109
call your local democratic party...county chair or state chair... MrsBrady Oct 2012 #111
You have options! riqster Oct 2012 #113
*UPDATE* Splinter Cell Oct 2012 #115
Great to hear! Thanks for updating us. writes3000 Oct 2012 #116
Good. LisaL Oct 2012 #117
That's terrific! Tennessee Gal Oct 2012 #119
This brings to mind my first voting experience in Ohio in the 70s spiderpig Oct 2012 #118
My Ass! bigregg4838 Oct 2012 #121

Samjm

(320 posts)
1. Don't take it lying down
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:34 PM
Oct 2012

Contact your local Dem office, and find out if there is a voter rights group in your state and contact them.

Also, I would at least TRY to speak to someone at the Board of Elections explaining your situation, and seeing if you can find some way that they will accept his vote.

But DEFINITELY go speak to the local Obama people. They are ALL over this kind of thing.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
105. DOJ Ph# listed further down 202-514-1412
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:18 AM
Oct 2012

Election fraud or intimidation complaints may also be directed to the Public Integrity Section ( 202-514-1412). Public Integrity Section prosecutors are available to consult and coordinate with the U.S. Attorneys’ Offices and FBI regarding the handling of election-crime allegations. I'd also contact the local arm of the Dem party.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
3. Please report this to the press
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:36 PM
Oct 2012

And local democratic offices and your representatives. Take photos showing you had the drivers license number on there already.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
4. Unless he took the photo before he mailed it in, how could he possibly take the photo now?
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:38 PM
Oct 2012

I would call that board of election first thing and ask them to explain why they need driver's license when it was already included.

 

The Doctor.

(17,266 posts)
64. The board cannot destroy the ballot.... yet.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:36 PM
Oct 2012

He can ask for it, and prove that it is filled out properly.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
96. The press is the only option since the GOP owns the OH govt. This is shocking.
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 08:32 AM
Oct 2012

This is horrible. We cannot let things like this stand.

It's not the DL # they wanted....it's that they wanted it delivered BY HAND, so they could prove his identity. That is against the law in OH, isn't it?

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
5. The Republicans are stealing the election, one vote at a time.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:38 PM
Oct 2012

I agree with the above posters. Raise holy hell. Phone the local media.

They will toss your father's provisional ballot in the trash alongside the thousands of Democratic voter registration forms across Ohio (a 3rd incident has been identified).

Do not surrender.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
6. From the DOJ website
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:38 PM
Oct 2012

Election fraud or intimidation complaints may also be directed to the Public Integrity Section ( 202-514-1412). Public Integrity Section prosecutors are available to consult and coordinate with the U.S. Attorneys’ Offices and FBI regarding the handling of election-crime allegations. I'd also contact the local arm of the Dem party.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
47. If proper hell is raised, the OP will not have time to keep us posted.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:36 PM
Oct 2012

County Board of Elections in person, with video camera in someone else's hand. Go to the local press...

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
8. Do NOT let them get away with it.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:40 PM
Oct 2012

Go to the press, the Obama campaign and them directly....

I've had enough of these goddamn Republicans....I want them all to lose their jobs and off themselves.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
9. Damn. That is so wrong.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:41 PM
Oct 2012

I hope you and your family can get it rectified so that his vote counts. And maybe Alot of you should accompany him to the office, if possible.
Perhaps there are others you can share this story with locally to prevent it from happening to them.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
10. I suspect they are doing this to the elderly who they think will do nothing about it.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:43 PM
Oct 2012

Call the elections office and speak to the manager. Tell them that your father has voted for years and ask what is the problem? Make them tell you exactly why they did this. Tell them that your father had a stroke and it is not easy for him to come down to the facility but that he is more than capable of voting as he did. He wants his vote to count. He gave his licesne number to them. What is the problem ask again. If they do not have a reasonable answer then ask if this is the voter suppression or voter intimidation you have been hearing about and your father is being taken advantage of because he is elderly. If so you will be calling the local FBI?

Okay I would probably say the last sentence myself but I'm not going to tell you to do that. But if they have no answers I would sure make them think you are taking it to the authorities because there is too much in the news about this sort of thing and you will not allow this to happen to your family....well there I go again. It's best you say what you wish Best wishes.

NMDemDist2

(49,313 posts)
13. i betting what's happened is his signature doesn't match the one they have on file
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:49 PM
Oct 2012

since his stroke I'm sure his signature has changed.

one of the ways to insure absentee ballots are real is to compare the signatures from the ballot envelope to the one from the file.

relax and call them and ask if that's the problem and what you need to do to fix it

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
16. They told him how to fix it. Father has to show up in person with a drivers' license.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:03 PM
Oct 2012

Which is not easy to do for an elderly person who had a stroke.

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
17. See the post below by
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:11 PM
Oct 2012

abelenkpe


I dont tweet - but I would do that to. Either be mad - or be active.

You need to start making calls, sending emails, and writing letters right this minute. It ain't over until you've done everything you can to get that election worker fired.

NMDemDist2

(49,313 posts)
21. ask them if a notarized letter with his new signature will suffice
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:17 PM
Oct 2012

you should be able to get a notary to come to him

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
110. I agree that this could be the easiest option, if they will accept it.
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 01:43 PM
Oct 2012

If the board of elections will accept a notary, I'll come and do it free of charge.

I'm a notary, and I live in Hamilton county (probably less than 10 miles from the OP)

The first thing that needs to be done is to find out what the problem is to find out to address it.

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
67. Not true...
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:00 PM
Oct 2012

At this time his ballot is considered provisional. The provisional ballots can be contested up to 10 days post election or counted up to 10 days after the election in the State of Ohio. I am a polling judge in Ohio and when someone votes provisionally in the precinct I am working we tell them they should contact the BOE within 10 days to confirm their ballot will be counted.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
14. From another thread here:
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:52 PM
Oct 2012

David Shuster ?@DavidShuster
elect problems - long lines - misinformation - voter intimidation etc, photograph/tweet and use hashtag #EP with state abbreviation ie #EPVA

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
18. A good place for this piece of info:
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:12 PM
Oct 2012

David Shuster @DavidShuster
elect problems - long lines - misinformation - voter intimidation etc, photograph/tweet and use hashtag #EP with state abbreviation ie #EPVA

Please spread this to your friends. If you have any problems voting or your friends do, have them tweet the problem with the hashtag #EP for "Election Problems". So if you are voting in Virginia and have an issue your hashtag would be #EPVA and then describe the problem in the remaining characters. SPREAD THE HASHTAG!


______________________________________________________________

If you don't have a twitter account, I'll post it for you. Let me know.

Dj13Francis

(395 posts)
22. First of many.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:19 PM
Oct 2012

We are being set up. Remember Katherine Harris? Remember Ken Blackwell? While the personnel have changed since, the idealogues of the inconcievably corrupt are still in power in both of these states. Voter purges and the media's inevitable narrative about low turnout are smokescreens to distract from the fact that votes are counted by machines whose source code are legally-protected propriatary information of companies owned and operated by the corporate arm of the Republican party, and whose results are guaranteed to declare exactly the winner They desire.

Mr.Bill

(24,292 posts)
24. Is it possible that since his stroke,
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:21 PM
Oct 2012

his doctor has notified the DMV and his license has been revoked for medical reasons? That can happen here in California. Hope you get this worked out. Lots of good advice in this thread.

alfredo

(60,072 posts)
71. If he is able to show up with his license, they can say he shouldn't
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:07 PM
Oct 2012

Have asked for an absentee.

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
79. The "in person" is a new directive from SOS Husted as of 10/3
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:36 PM
Oct 2012

If there is an error -for example the wrong drivers license number (there are 2 on each Ohio license & people get it wrong all the time) or a a digit which is illegible or miscopied - the new directive requires it to be corrected in person. The exception is for individuals with a disability or who are overseas military.

This sounds evil - and it is - but the BOE is following the new directive from Husted.

Mr.Bill

(24,292 posts)
30. Of course it doesn't.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:34 PM
Oct 2012

But his driver's license number could be showing up as not valid. All just conjecture on my part, of course.

 

JackN415

(924 posts)
26. Fight them and enlist the help of local Obama office if possible. Write to liberal newspaper
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:24 PM
Oct 2012

Make them cite the names of those officials involve in rejecting the vote.

tonybgood

(218 posts)
28. What most of you don't realize...
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:25 PM
Oct 2012

is that Butler County is HEAVILY Republican and very corrupt. It doesn't surprise me one iota that they would challenge any absentee ballot. It is also the home district to one John Boehner so going to your representative is a complete waste of time!!! The only way to fix this is to get the story out nationwide and get the press to hound the Butler County Board of Elections. I'm curious as to how many other absentee ballots have been challenged like this and whether the challenges are only to Democratic ballots.

No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
56. Go to Boehner's Office anyway
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:26 PM
Oct 2012

I realize that Butler Co. is heavily Republican and is Boehner's home territory, (I live in neighboring Hamilton Co. OH) but this should be reported -In Writing- to Boehner's office anyway. Copies of the letter to local papers - Hamilton, Middletown, Cincinnati, Dayton.

This will put Boehner's office on notice and on the spot. They will have to respond.

Likely they'll say it is a county or state matter, which it is.
Notify Husted's office (OH Sec. of State) and your local state reps. Even though they're also Reps, they'll have to respond as well.

The good news is that this occurred 2 1/2 weeks before the election - enough time to publicize and correct.

Good luck.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
107. DOCUMENT with MEDIA when Boehner tries to NOT help - NELSON PIERCE JR. | OHIO Community Journalist
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:33 AM
Oct 2012

CONTACT INFO for:

Voting Rights Watch advised by BKW Post #43.

Although he may be a bit "busy" today, he should be available Monday.


NELSON PIERCE JR. | OHIO
Nelson Pierce Jr. is the pastor of Beloved Community Church, and the lead organizer with The AMOS Project. He is also a doctoral candidate in the Micah program at New York Theological Seminary. Nelson is passionate about exploring the deep connections between faith and public life.

BELOVED COMMUNITY CHURCH INFO:
Office and Mailing Address:

Beloved Community Church
6566 Montgomery Road Suite #214
Cincinnati, OH 45213

Phone Number:
513-413-7208

Email Address:

[email protected]

Twitter:

@beloved_ch

islandbobbi

(1 post)
60. Anyplace that is HEAVILY republican
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:15 PM
Oct 2012

Excellent point re: John Boehner's district... it certainly would never get resolved if it were up to him. I am voting via absentee ballot this year and holy hell will be raised if it happens to me. Thanks for your post.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
29. So this is how they plan to steal it
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:34 PM
Oct 2012

and then tell us that elderlies did not turn out for Obama. So basically it is not about outsiders taking over the electorate, but criminals passing as corporation doing the bidding.

Maineman

(854 posts)
31. If your circumstances permit, publicize it with...
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:36 PM
Oct 2012

After exploring simple options and documenting your efforts, arrange to have him transported to the elections board office on a gurney, make sure the media are there with cameras rolling. Many people would prefer not to do something like this, but in case you and he are willing and able, it would help highlight the problems.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
32. Does he personally have to deliver it?
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:38 PM
Oct 2012

I mean the whole point of an elderly person voting absentee is that they are too fragile to go out much. This is total bullshit. I would call the BOE and make a stink. I would also call the Obama campaign and/or local Dem party HQ and ask if they can get involved. They would not be pleased that one of their votes is being jerked away for total bullshit.

sevenseas

(114 posts)
51. Brilliant thought, wildeyed.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:51 PM
Oct 2012

Maybe what they are thinking is because he is elderly and saying he has to bring the license in person think that he will not be able to, therefore they can disqualify another Democrat's vote!

Is there any way this can be checked as to how one-sided this is?

This is making me so mad- if the shoe was on their stinky foot, they would be screaming bloody murder!

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
34. Bastards. Lot's of good advice in the replies.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:45 PM
Oct 2012

I always vote in person on e-day - so I can't help with the process.

Best of luck. Hope he gets his vote back.

PsychGrad

(239 posts)
38. Take it to Reddit...
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:59 PM
Oct 2012

And make it go viral. Reddit can reach a LOT of people, some pretty important people, and if you can get it recognized, they WILL make it go viral. Post it in the Politics forum - it's a pretty pro Obama site and I've seen them do some amazing things over there (finding criminals and such), and I bet they would be ALL over this issue. Good luck - and I hope it gets sorted and your Dad's vote (which he has earned and has every right to!) gets counted!

sevenseas

(114 posts)
53. YES...They cheat....
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:54 PM
Oct 2012

....and steal....and then have the nerve to look straight into our eyes and talk about humble and honest and Christian they are.

Norbert

(6,040 posts)
40. Butler County has a bunch of idiots.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:08 PM
Oct 2012

It is a haven for Republican politicians. One GOP "lawmaker" named Michael Fox (no relation to Michael J thank God) was bold enough to name a divided highway after himself. The highway is no longer named after him and Fox himself is in jail for corruption.

Fight it with everything you have.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
41. This is typical in Florida too...
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:13 PM
Oct 2012

no one is talking about it, but they reject a bunch of mail in ballots. I'm sure they know who is a Democrat.

Botany

(70,506 posts)
42. Please do the following things:
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:16 PM
Oct 2012

Get a lawyer and have him send a registered letter to the Butler County BOE
and tell them it it is a legal ballot and it must be counted as such ...... your Dad
is legally registered to vote in the county and as such his vote must be counted.


Get in touch w/ the Ohio Dem party.
Have questions about voting?
Check out our Election Center
or contact the Voter Protection Team at
[email protected]
OR 855-VOTE-199
(855-868-3199)

Tell the Butler County BOE that you will take the letter they sent your dad to the
media and they will have to answer to the press about voter suppression ....
make multiple copies of the letter too.

if that does not help please contact me via p.m..



Response to Splinter Cell (Original post)

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
106. NELSON PIERCE JR. | OHIO Community Journalist CONTACT INFO:
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:28 AM
Oct 2012

Although he may be a bit "busy" today, he should be available Monday.


NELSON PIERCE JR. | OHIO
Nelson Pierce Jr. is the pastor of Beloved Community Church, and the lead organizer with The AMOS Project. He is also a doctoral candidate in the Micah program at New York Theological Seminary. Nelson is passionate about exploring the deep connections between faith and public life.

BELOVED COMMUNITY CHURCH INFO:
Office and Mailing Address:

Beloved Community Church
6566 Montgomery Road Suite #214
Cincinnati, OH 45213

Phone Number:
513-413-7208

Email Address:

[email protected]

Twitter:

@beloved_ch

GETPLANING

(846 posts)
44. Take it to the local Fox affiliate
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:30 PM
Oct 2012

Really. Fox local is nothing like Fox News Channel. They will run with it.

itssimplestupid

(37 posts)
49. Republicans Can't Win Without Voter Suppression
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:49 PM
Oct 2012

If they made it easy for everyone to vote, even poor people, there would be no Republicans and they know it.

http://www.RepublicansAreADisease.com

Republicans Are A Disease

alfredo

(60,072 posts)
72. They destroyed the evidence. All data was to be kept for two years
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:12 PM
Oct 2012

years and they destroyed them early.

The code in the voting machines is a trade secret, so gathering evidence would be difficult.

 

Democratopia

(552 posts)
54. Look at it this way...
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:07 PM
Oct 2012

Your father might have lost his vote, but if you get the local media involved, it could make people that weren't going to vote pissed enough to make the effort to vote. You could lose one vote, but gain a hundred.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
59. Splinter Cell
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:04 PM
Oct 2012

Splinter Cell

It is sad for your dad - it should not be like that - but then again Republicans can not win fair and square anymore.. They know it - we know not.. everyone know it.

But the big difference from 2000 ot today, is that in 2000 "we" doesn't had any places to look for information - or in many cases to went the anger many had after the voting in 2000... (Even I who is not even an american was kind of What the H*** about it... ) Today "we" have a place to get information, to get advices and get knowledge about how to fight it.. And that give at least me, some hope that the sanity of US will prevail - even after the nut jobs of GWB, and the tea party-Grand Old Party...

Diclotican

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
70. In Ohio...
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:05 PM
Oct 2012

you can put your last four numbers of you SS number on the absentee envelope that the ballot goes in. The person will need to go to the BOE with his drivers license and I would recommend a letter from the utility company or some other form of ID that is considered valid in Ohio for voting.

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
77. This is the form that needs to be completed
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:31 PM
Oct 2012
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/Upload/elections/directives/2012/Dir2012-48.pdf

It has to be delivered in person (with the exception of overseas military or individuals who are disabled).

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
99. And to think I was always taught that a SS # could only be tied to your Social Security....
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 09:34 AM
Oct 2012

Nope, its tied with you to all your financial, taxes, your mortgages, bank loans, school education.....how you vote and party affiliation??

Wow....they managed to turn it into what it never was supposed to be and they truly have ALL data on you....

 

antiquie

(4,299 posts)
102. Wow, indeed, National identification Card.
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 10:44 AM
Oct 2012

From Rock the Vote faq:

3. Why is my Social Security number or state ID required?

Under the Help America Vote Act (HAVA), federal law now requires registrants to provide an identification number. The requirements for this information vary from state to state. Detailed state instructions for the ID field are provided during the online voter registration application process. If you have any questions about your state's requirements, please contact your Secretary of State.

Gladys P

(1 post)
65. My Father's vote was just stolen in Ohio...
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:55 PM
Oct 2012

I agree it should be a felony to steal, intercept or change someone's vote in any way. I believe they are counting on people giving up or not bothering with their vote if it has been tampered with or stolen. Also there isn't a lot of time but we must in good faith help those with vote problems to be heard! Romney has been accused of being underhanded in business what bigger business is there than the USA?

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
66. This is a new (relatively) directive from Husted
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:57 PM
Oct 2012
issued 10/3.

If there is an error on the voter identification ballot, it will not be counted not even provisionally unless the voter comes in, in person, to correct the error (or falls into the exception below). There are two different numbers on your drivers license - it is extremely easy to get one wrong.

If you are voting absentee by paper ballot, be absolutely certain that you have everything correct on your ballot

The exceptions are military currently overseas, or individuals are disabled. First - if he can get to the board of elections ahead of the election, have him go there to correct it. If he does that before the election, his ballot will be counted as a regular absentee ballot. (if you do that and it they tell you it will still only be counted provisionally, please PM me and I will use my observer connections to make a report - also if they have opened the ID envelope please PM me so I can make a report). If your father qualifies as disabled, the county must send someone to him to correct it.

Voters with Disabilities – Regardless of whether the voter requested assistance in casting the absentee ballot, if a voter requests assistance to supplement the voter’s identification envelope, the board of elections must send board employees, not of the same political party, to the voter to provide assistance.


Organizing for America is tracking "error" rates on ballots returned, and will be investigating places with higher than average (and perhaps higher than last year - I don't know how much information they have about last year, when corrections were permitted by paper - but they are aware of this new problem in Ohio)

As long as I'm on a roll - please make sure that if you are in Ohio and returned the form that Husted sent you that you vote using the ballot you will receive. Any other vote will be provisional. Many people did not realize the form was for an absentee ballot, and sent it in because they thought it was a form of caging. Once you request an absentee ballot (accidental or not), that is the ONLY non-provisional way to vote.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
69. Who qualifies as a voter with disability?
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:04 PM
Oct 2012

His father had a stroke-does the father qualify? Or does he need to be officially disabled? Demanding they send someone over to help seems like a good option to me.
Since its sounds like the father is bedridden he is not likely to be able to get there in person.

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
74. Here is what the text of the directive says:
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:20 PM
Oct 2012

Voters with Disabilities – Regardless of whether the voter requested assistance in casting the absentee ballot, if a voter requests assistance to supplement the voter’s identification envelope, the board of elections must send board employees, not of the same political party, to the voter to provide assistance.

Any qualified elector, who, on account of the elector’s own personal illness, physical disability, or infirmity, or on account of the elector’s confinement in a jail or workhouse under sentence for a misdemeanor or awaiting trial on a felony or misdemeanor, will be unable to travel from the elector’s home or place of confinement to the voting booth in the elector’s precinct on the day of any general, special, or primary election may make application in writing for an absent voter’s ballot to the director of the board of elections of the elector’s county. The application shall include all of the information required under section 3509.03 of the Revised Code and shall state the nature of the elector’s illness, physical disability, or infirmity, or the fact that the elector is confined in a jail or workhouse and the elector’s resultant inability to travel to the election booth in the elector’s precinct on election day.


If I was that voter, I would make them come to me - and when they get there, check to make sure they sent two of different parties.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
75. Sounds good to me!
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:22 PM
Oct 2012

Call the board of elections on Monday and demand they send people over to help with the correcting whatever it is they say is wrong!

 

JamesL2012

(18 posts)
76. They need to be stopped
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:22 PM
Oct 2012

Those pukes are so bad and a bunch of liars.
Make sure you fight this to the end get those people fired.

barbtries

(28,795 posts)
80. Call the board of elections.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:51 PM
Oct 2012

i was just poll monitoring today in NC for Common Cause. i think the number is the same for all over the country:
888 OUR VOTE

if it isn't, they'll probably be able to point you in the right direction. or contact the country democrats.

don't just be pissed, do something. your father's vote does not have to stay stolen. please keep us updated, thanks.

Me_Bushwacker

(1 post)
81. Reporting Voting Suppression Issues or Fraud
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:01 PM
Oct 2012

Report Voting Suppression activity for OH @ 1-866-OUR-VOTE, NC is 855-868-3171 Immediately, get details & contact info

DebbieInOhio

(1 post)
82. Fight this all the way
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:05 PM
Oct 2012

I would go to the news outlets, the Ohio Secretary of State and Ohio Attorney General, and the US Department of Justice. I would also go to my Senator and Congressman, local newspapers and Rev. Al Sharpton. We are NOT going to take this voter suppression lying down. Fight it. Contact everyone you can think of.

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
85. The Ohio SOS issued the directive which required the local BOE to take the steps they did.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:47 PM
Oct 2012

See here, with the solution farther down thread. (I have also DUmailed the info directly to the OP).

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
92. SOS Husted is the one doing all these things (ordering that a voter has to appear in person)
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 12:45 AM
Oct 2012

so there is not going to be help there.

kickysnana

(3,908 posts)
88. FYI I overheard someone in Roseville MN Eye Doctor's office
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 12:09 AM
Oct 2012

telling his mother that she was going to have to go appear in person in order to be able to vote this year. She was in a wheelchair and on oxygen. I think he had just called someone about mail she had received.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
90. UPDATE, election official resigned, staffer let go, posting on another thread to refer back to this.
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 12:19 AM
Oct 2012

I believe it is because of the work of DUers... See the DU link in the story:

Miami County, Ohio Election Official Resigns Under Weird Circumstances


http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/miami-county-ohio-election-official-resigns

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014274111

FXBGr

(1 post)
91. Turn The Tables
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 12:24 AM
Oct 2012

Contact the Brennan Center at [email protected]. They litigate voting rights cases, and your father's case may be one they could help with. Information: http://www.brennancenter.org/content/election2012 and http://www.brennancenter.org/content/section/category/voting_rights_elections/.

I am not sure if the Alliance For Justice does litigation or just studies and reports http://www.afj.org/.

The ACLU is another important resource. http://www.aclu.org/voting-rights You should contact your local ACLU affiliate: http://www.aclu.org/affiliates

DFW

(54,384 posts)
94. Swear out a complaint, send it certified with copies to MSNBC and the NYT
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 05:41 AM
Oct 2012

at least to: the US Department of Justice, Washington, DC and the Federal Election Commission. To Obama's campaign HQ and the White House directly as well. A few blogs, too (HuffPo, TPM).

Let DoJ and the FEC know you have sent copies to the press as well.

 

Ohio Highlander

(4 posts)
97. Dunno
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 08:55 AM
Oct 2012

I hate to say it, but Husted or whatever his name is, got early voting materials to everyone in our neck of the woods...it's gonna be hard to make anything stick this cycle, the ohio gop is got a great pr machine...it also might be hard to argue for someone who's had a stroke...people hear that word, and that someone can't read too well, and they think, "another idiot dem"...that's what's gonna happen

 

j3161usa

(44 posts)
98. Call You Congressional Office and the local ACLU
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 08:58 AM
Oct 2012

DO NOT CALL "TRUE THE VOTE". Do this NOW----Take your father down to the proper office and "GIVE" them your father's ballot. THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN GET MITT ROMNEY ELECTED IS BY CHEATING!!!!!! ONCE ELECTED, THEY WILL PRETEND HE WON LEGITIMATELY! They will call US sore losers!!

Fla Dem

(23,670 posts)
100. They saw he voted for Obama?
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 09:42 AM
Oct 2012

I did not think they opened "mail in ballots" until election day, after the polls closed? Is this the way all states handle mail in ballots...opening them and recording them as they are received? If so I will never do a mail in ballot. There is so much opportunity for fraud. If they had not notified your father, he/you would never had known there was a problem. How many mail in ballots are just destroyed? Finally, it would seem as if you give up you right to a secret ballot if you use the mail in ballot.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
114. Ohio opens them early, so they can cut down the workload on Election Day.
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:26 PM
Oct 2012

And yes, Absentee ballots clearly show who you're voting for. In a Red county, this scenario is not implausible.

Don C. Nuttin

(84 posts)
108. Do something constructive.
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 12:00 PM
Oct 2012

Taking a day or so to talk to folks about this and explore the idea of asking a federal court to require that your father's vote be counted would be a better choice that having a stroke and dying yourself. This is an outrage. I voted a couple of days ago at a county election office in Kansas, an office directly administered by Kris Kobach. I produced my current, valid driver's license. The clerk behind the counter squinted at it and muttered something about my having shaved the close-cropped beard I wore when the photo was taken. I filled out my address (including my apartment number) in the poll book. The clerk slyly asked what my apartment number was. Two Young Republican brown-shirts stood menacingly behind the clerk with nothing to do, except look menacing. I almost said to the Clerk "take this one more step, and I will go right straight to the United States Courthouse, where I practice regularly." But the Clerk did not take it one more step, and I voted. My wife is totally and permanently disabled. I had her in tow, and she voted too. If a Clerk had given her touble I would not have been measured enough to go to the Courthouse. I would have found myself in jail. I hope I do not hear from Mr. Kobach that we need to return to the Election Office. Like -- I suspect-- you, the most constructive thing I could do is some ministerial, time-wasting make-work thing to get our votes counted, the next most constructive thing would be to go to federal court and try to get a federal judge to enjoin this onerous bullshit, or I could stroke out and die or go all Second Amendment on them. I can't think of any more choices. I pray that you try to find something constructive to do.

Splinter Cell

(703 posts)
115. *UPDATE*
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 11:22 AM
Oct 2012

UPDATE: I took my dad to the Butler County board of elections and raised hell. The issue was that his signature was slightly different from his last one (he has trouble writing), but we managed to prove it was him and they accepted the explanation. HIS BALLOT HAS BEEN CAST AND WILL BE COUNTED! Thanks to everyone for the support and advise! GOBAMA

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
117. Good.
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 11:31 AM
Oct 2012

That's why I don't even want to vote absentee.
His signature was different? Are they for real?
I am glad it was counted, but the whole point of voting absentee is that you don't have to do it in person.
And yet they made your father to come in, in person.

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
118. This brings to mind my first voting experience in Ohio in the 70s
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 11:34 AM
Oct 2012

Paper ballot. Put it in the privacy envelope. Brought it out to the staff's table, where an old guy took the ballot out and LOOKED AT IT! (Hey, I'm a product of the 60s and didn't trust anyone). I yelled "THAT MAN'S LOOKING AT MY BALLOT!!!" I was ballistic. This idiot said "I just wanted to make sure you voted."

They are so damned corrupt and always have been.

 

bigregg4838

(92 posts)
121. My Ass!
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 01:06 PM
Oct 2012

Hand deliver it to their office by November 16th... My ass! That has got to be the most outrageous thing I have heard. For those who think that your ONE vote means nothing, look to what degree THEY are willing to go to sabotage One vote. Not up to snuff MY big, fat, liberal ASS!! Count that man's vote, OHIO. #Quitplayin

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