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Don't let anyone intimidate or shame you into not using the words of (Original Post) Uncle Joe Mar 2016 OP
Isn't it sad, Uncle Joe? Punkingal Mar 2016 #1
Yes it is, Punkingal. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #3
I like to resonate with the truth, no matter what the gender or color of skin of its purveyor! highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #2
As Kahless said: sometimes the words are more important than the man. arcane1 Mar 2016 #5
I feel the same way, highprincipleswork. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #11
Blessings back. High principles do work. Let's let them do that work, & hope for rising results soon highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #13
Yes. I feel the same. kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #37
K&R I hate to even think what some of the posters here would be saying about him Live and Learn Mar 2016 #4
I have no doubt Martin would be covered with bus tire tracks. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #15
No one is more important than The One. dchill Mar 2016 #26
It is our obligation to fight the depravity of corporate socialism in favor of the equality of Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #6
I agree, Kip Humphrey, it is our obligation, or else the sacrifice was for nothing. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #16
Watch it - you might be excused of "seance-ing" him, kath Mar 2016 #7
So long as we remember, we're all connected, the living and the dead. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #19
People never stop thinking about me bravenak Mar 2016 #33
You're right. coyote Mar 2016 #36
!!! riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #41
C'mon Bravenak--are you brave enough to answer to that? panader0 Mar 2016 #53
There are some good comments on Daily Kos about that: kath Mar 2016 #63
Please respond to the post beneath you. panader0 Mar 2016 #54
I was right - people are pissed that you are quoting MLK. kath Mar 2016 #61
His words and his legacy belong to us all. Autumn Mar 2016 #8
I agree, Autumn. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #18
K&R KeepItReal Mar 2016 #9
Recommended! H2O Man Mar 2016 #10
completely agree nt G_j Mar 2016 #12
Agreed, nt. Broward Mar 2016 #14
knr nt slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #17
Don't forget this thread! Paulie Mar 2016 #20
Thanks for the addition, Paulie, that's what I like about the power of the Internet. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #21
P.S. One thing I noticed after listening to Dr. King's speech was the number of times he Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #22
A summary of MLK's Triple Evils (poverty, racism, militarism) senz Mar 2016 #57
Bernie walks the walk. Myrina Mar 2016 #23
Thanks for the addition, Myrina. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #24
I won't. mia Mar 2016 #25
k/r 840high Mar 2016 #27
So sad how his powerful message has been totally forgotten by so many Clinton Democrats. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #28
Wonders never cease, BillZBubb. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #39
How DARE he talk down to us like that! Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #29
He's repressing me. Buzz cook Mar 2016 #30
K & R Duppers Mar 2016 #31
I agree, Duppers. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #40
Excellent post. Thank you Uncle Joe. nt JEB Mar 2016 #32
Or FDR, or JFK. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #34
Kick and R BeanMusical Mar 2016 #35
After the primary is over, it will be ok again. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #38
I sort of agree with your take on it, aikoaiko Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #43
Thank you for this riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #42
$322,000 for each Vietcong killed. $53 for each person helped by the Great Society. Octafish Mar 2016 #44
Thanks for the addition and kind words, Octafish. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #45
I bookmark your posts. Duppers Mar 2016 #46
FBI should have protected MLK, not turned him into a target. Octafish Mar 2016 #47
my favorite American G_j Mar 2016 #48
I think you may be right, G_j. Dr. King put the ''We'' in ''We the People.'' Octafish Mar 2016 #49
I hear you Octafish, it's too bad the corporate media conglomerates still haven't internalized Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #50
What times are these, when a person who reports war crimes is imprisoned for 25 years? Octafish Mar 2016 #51
A highly dysfunctional oligarch times. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #52
Some idiot once criticized me for reccing an Op that consisted, IIRC, solely of a quotation from merrily Mar 2016 #55
Over-reliance on tactics is a sign of strategic bankruptcy. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #56
And also to you, Uncle Joe. merrily Mar 2016 #58
K&R -- MLK and Bernie saw eye to eye on all the important issues. senz Mar 2016 #59
Yes, they did. I have no doubt Dr. King had a profound influence on Bernie's ideology and Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #60
People get way pissed when MLK gets quoted here kath Mar 2016 #62
And Bernie Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #64
 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
2. I like to resonate with the truth, no matter what the gender or color of skin of its purveyor!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016
I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
Martin Luther King

I have looked at Bernie's character, and found it authentic and on the side of working class, middle class, and just plain struggling class Americans of all colors and creeds. From my own personal experience, I honestly cannot say that about the other side.
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
5. As Kahless said: sometimes the words are more important than the man.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:06 PM
Mar 2016

And I don't hold it against him that he's a Klingon, because he is 100% correct

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
6. It is our obligation to fight the depravity of corporate socialism in favor of the equality of
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:07 PM
Mar 2016

democratic socialism.

 

coyote

(1,561 posts)
36. You're right.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:50 AM
Mar 2016

Quote# 117360

I cannot stand him. His fans are racists who run around calling blacks racist and wonder why we hate him and them. I don't even LIKE Hillary but I will vote for her just so his fans can feel the sne BERN that they have been passing out.

Look at the racist comments here. I did not know jews hated us blacks so much. Good to know. I will return it in kind. There are so few of them It's a wonder they have the gall to think about being racist against blacks.

Bravenak, Frontpage Mag 6 Comments
Fundie Index: 3

WTF?! || meh

http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=117360


There you are in all your glory Bravenak, pretty hard to forget that.

kath

(10,565 posts)
63. There are some good comments on Daily Kos about that:
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:30 PM
Mar 2016

See this thread for links,which include a screenshot of the original post on the cesspool hate site. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280152392

Uncle Joe

(58,368 posts)
21. Thanks for the addition, Paulie, that's what I like about the power of the Internet.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:42 PM
Mar 2016

I can listen to Martin's words on the thread you linked to while I'm posting and reading on other threads including this one.

Peace to you.

Uncle Joe

(58,368 posts)
22. P.S. One thing I noticed after listening to Dr. King's speech was the number of times he
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:33 PM
Mar 2016

used the word "revolution" or "revolutionary" something for which the corporate media conglomerates condemn Bernie for today or at the very least paint in a fearful light.

When it means nothing more than calling for economic justice, increased participation in our democracy, and the elimination of or major reform of our corrupted campaign finance system.



 

senz

(11,945 posts)
57. A summary of MLK's Triple Evils (poverty, racism, militarism)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:01 PM
Mar 2016

can be read here: http://www.thekingcenter.org/king-philosophy#sub1

Thanks, Paulie, for linking to the original speech.

mia

(8,361 posts)
25. I won't.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:17 PM
Mar 2016

His life changed mine. I came of age when he was the spokesperson for all of us. His eyes have seen the glory of what we could be.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
28. So sad how his powerful message has been totally forgotten by so many Clinton Democrats.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:32 PM
Mar 2016

They mock Sen. Sanders for holding the same positions some 50 years later. They support a candidate who on economics is 180 degrees opposite what Dr. King would support.

It really is depressing.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
29. How DARE he talk down to us like that!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:51 PM
Mar 2016

It just makes me soooooo mad!

ETA: And the funny thing is: it feels so GOOOOOOOOD to feel so mad.

Go figure. Kinda like an addiction for some of us.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
31. K & R
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:12 AM
Mar 2016

Thank you for this thread, Uncle Joe.

The parallels are extraordinary and I shake my head at the fact that so many are blind to them.







aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
38. After the primary is over, it will be ok again.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:02 AM
Mar 2016

I think that most of the objections you noted were strategic.

Uncle Joe

(58,368 posts)
43. I sort of agree with your take on it, aikoaiko
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:44 AM
Mar 2016

the tacit or indirect objections to MLK's economic message will fade away and he will still be touted as an American Hero but his legacy will also continue to be co-opted by those willfully ignoring Dr. King's fundamental anti-poverty, anti-war and economic equality messages.



Octafish

(55,745 posts)
44. $322,000 for each Vietcong killed. $53 for each person helped by the Great Society.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:55 AM
Mar 2016

Wow. Oh. Wow. No wonder that never gets brought up on the "Martin Luther King, Jr. National Day of Service."

Just like President Kennedy, Dr. King opposed war in Vietnam.

It was Cheney who privatized the Pentagon for Bush Sr, a guy I'd like to question publicly about his activities in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.

Thank you for another outstanding OP and thread, Uncle Joe. You get it: Some "things" are more important than money. People, for instance. Peace, another.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
47. FBI should have protected MLK, not turned him into a target.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:51 PM
Mar 2016
Dr. Martin Luther King, speaking at University of Michigan's Hill Auditorium in 1962.



Instead, the FBI and US Army intelligence and who knows what-all did all they could to spy on Dr. King. FBI Director J Edgar Hoover even used his office to encourage the man to take his own life.



FBI tracked King's every move

* FBI memo called King the "most dangerous ... effective Negro leader" in U.S.
* Hidden wiretaps turned up no Communist Party ties, just extramarital affairs
* J. Edgar Hoover's contempt for MLK's private behavior shows in private memos


By Jen Christensen
CNN, Dec. 29, 2008

EXCERPT...

Hoover's contempt for King's private behavior is clear in the memos he kept in his personal files. His scrawl across the bottom of positive news stories about King's success dripped with loathing.

On a story about King receiving the St. Francis peace medal from the Catholic Church, he wrote "this is disgusting." On the story "King, Pope to Talk on Race," he scribbled "astounding." On a story about King's meeting with the pope, "I am amazed that the Pope gave an audience to such a degenerate." On a story about King being the heavy favorite to win the Nobel Prize, he wrote "King could well qualify for the 'top alley cat' prize!"

When King learned he would be the recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1964, the FBI decided to take its harassment of King one step further, sending him an insulting and threatening note anonymously. A draft was found in the FBI files years later. In it the FBI wrote, "You are a colossal fraud and an evil, vicious one at that." The letter went on to say, "The American public ... will know you for what you are -- an evil, abnormal beast," and "Satan could not do more."

The letter's threat was ominous, if not specific: "King you are done." Some have theorized the intent of the letter was to drive King to commit suicide in order to avoid personal embarrassment. "King, there is only one thing left for you to do," the letter concluded. "You know what it is ... You better take it before your filthy, abnormal fraudulent self is bared to the nation."

CONTINUED...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/31/mlk.fbi.conspiracy/



Dr. King was only 39 years of age when gunned down in Memphis, Tennessee. He was visting Memphis to express solidarity with the city's striking sanitation workers, largely African American and underpaid. Dr. King believed all men were equal under the law, no matter their pigmentation, heritage, religion, politics, or wealth.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
49. I think you may be right, G_j. Dr. King put the ''We'' in ''We the People.''
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:26 PM
Mar 2016

No other American has been closer in deed, as well as in spirit, to the Jewish fellow, Son of Joseph from Nazareth, also.

The people who've moved trillions looted from US workers and taxpayers were behind his death and that of the Kennedy brothers and too many good others.


Uncle Joe

(58,368 posts)
50. I hear you Octafish, it's too bad the corporate media conglomerates still haven't internalized
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:18 PM
Mar 2016

King's message of "We" with them it's all about slicing, dicing and dividing the people up by category; race, gender or whatever they can come up with, just so they can play the divide and conquer "horse race" game instead of focusing on the critical issues affecting the American Peoples' lives of which Martin championed.

So long as the American People play along with this game, the 99% will lose.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
51. What times are these, when a person who reports war crimes is imprisoned for 25 years?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:24 PM
Mar 2016

And the people responsible are free to make fortunes or paint or whatever?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
55. Some idiot once criticized me for reccing an Op that consisted, IIRC, solely of a quotation from
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:37 PM
Mar 2016

Martin Luther King, Jr. because the link was run by someone undesirable. As if reccing an accurate quote means you approve the owner of the source.

Besides that, it was clear from the thread that I thought the source was wikipedia. My critic referenced the thread and source but did not give the link. And this was one of those DUers who can pull up a link from 2002, when trolling someone about a past post.

The tactics are sickening sometimes.


Uncle Joe

(58,368 posts)
56. Over-reliance on tactics is a sign of strategic bankruptcy.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:55 PM
Mar 2016

Attacking the messenger if you fear or can't attack the message.

Peace to you, merrily.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
58. And also to you, Uncle Joe.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:02 PM
Mar 2016

In that case, the messenger was me and the message was that I clicked the rec button on a quote of Martin Luther King, Jr.

If anyone really thinks that I should be reproached on a message board because of that, too bad!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
59. K&R -- MLK and Bernie saw eye to eye on all the important issues.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:17 PM
Mar 2016

Thanks for an uplifting thread, Uncle Joe.

Uncle Joe

(58,368 posts)
60. Yes, they did. I have no doubt Dr. King had a profound influence on Bernie's ideology and
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:36 PM
Mar 2016

the amazing thing is, it stuck through all these years.

Bernie has consistently held true to his core convictions throughout his career.

Peace to you, senz.

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