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NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:22 PM Mar 2016

Say, Who Was That Mysterious Man Behind Hillary Clinton?

The link doesn't allow me to copy text but it's worth a read

Edit:

ST. LOUIS — An energized Hillary Clinton took aim at Donald J. Trump and Bernie Sanders on Saturday. But at least one shot backfired.

Mrs. Clinton accused Mr. Sanders of distorting her record and said the Vermont senator, who has made a single-payer health care system a signature part of his campaign, had not always been such an advocate on the issue.

She said she has “a little chuckle to myself” when she thinks about the current debates over health care. “I don’t know,” Mrs. Clinton said. “Where was he when I was trying to get health care in ’93 and ’94?”

The answer: “Literally, standing right behind her,” a Sanders spokesman, Mike Casca, said on Twitter, posting a photo from a 1994 news conference that shows Mr. Sanders next to Mrs. Clinton when the then first lady spoke about the White House’s proposed health care overhaul.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/12/say-who-was-that-mysterious-man-behind-hillary-clinton/

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Say, Who Was That Mysterious Man Behind Hillary Clinton? (Original Post) NWCorona Mar 2016 OP
Can't believe she said that with such proof. Her note to him..and him standing behind her. bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #1
It really boggles the mind NWCorona Mar 2016 #6
{crickets} InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #54
Photoshopped! Helen Borg Mar 2016 #61
It's the auto bailout bullshit 2.0 Barack_America Mar 2016 #13
She does not 'get' that the internet never forgets...... peacebird Mar 2016 #2
How true! I have to say though that a whole lot of Pubbies don't seem to know that either! napi21 Mar 2016 #29
Well it doesn't but sometimes you got to dig through a whole lot garbage to get them morsels nolabels Mar 2016 #84
She is unreal. And not in a good way. bigwillq Mar 2016 #3
How some here continue to support Hillary in the face of her contemptible behavior is beyond me! ... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #63
Her personal "plumbing" trumps reason Plucketeer Mar 2016 #72
What's plumbing got to do with it? It's Hillary's dumbing, as in dumbing down her political agenda that worries me. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #80
My point was/is that some are voting for her solely because of her gender - instead of for reasons Plucketeer Mar 2016 #82
Plus there is that letter from her to him. morningfog Mar 2016 #4
Hillary's never allowed anything as inconvenient as truth get in the way of HER TURN IllinoisLabour Mar 2016 #5
Haha! Hillary? Two days without lying?!.. Try two hours! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #66
Pass me some popcorn! Hydra Mar 2016 #7
Begs the question, where's Bill? Barack_America Mar 2016 #18
*Laughs* Hydra Mar 2016 #23
Practicing on his saxophone? n/t djean111 Mar 2016 #39
She is making on misstep after another. jillan Mar 2016 #8
Hillary has become a parody of herself. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #81
Good to see this getting play in the major press. (n/t) thesquanderer Mar 2016 #9
Same! NWCorona Mar 2016 #11
Par for the course. n/t Skwmom Mar 2016 #10
Maybe she really doesn't remember demwing Mar 2016 #12
Disgusting...and this is after her comments about Nancy Reagan KoKo Mar 2016 #14
Guess she just misspoke again! (not!) InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #68
He's just standing there one day treestar Mar 2016 #15
I know right! He just walked up and started sucking up air NWCorona Mar 2016 #20
Bernie is Zelig! mainer Mar 2016 #45
Yep, he snuck up behind her when she wasn't looking. arcane1 Mar 2016 #51
About that. Loudestlib Mar 2016 #58
Well done! Boy those facts are pesky things. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #60
Really? mac56 Mar 2016 #74
Where was Bernie in 1993? Right there on the floor taking the fight to the Republicans: beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #16
+1. Barack_America Mar 2016 #19
Yup! NWCorona Mar 2016 #21
thank you! renate Mar 2016 #57
Arrogance or UglyGreed Mar 2016 #17
I really want one of her supporter's to respond to this NWCorona Mar 2016 #22
They won't UglyGreed Mar 2016 #24
Her supporter's haven't been very vocal lately NWCorona Mar 2016 #26
or logical... nt phazed0 Mar 2016 #79
Uhhh... YEAHHH! And we're not falling for her bullshit lies. Go Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #69
The Hillary camp's "comeback" was pathetic... Ino Mar 2016 #25
Oh you gotta be kidding NWCorona Mar 2016 #27
In front AND in the back room. Jackilope Mar 2016 #31
She was out front and failed. TM99 Mar 2016 #44
When asked for a followup comment, Palmieri responded noamnety Mar 2016 #46
I think that meme started here, a fairly new poster said something very similar to that this morning Autumn Mar 2016 #62
It's not a meme, it's a real quote... Ino Mar 2016 #65
Well now we know, maybe people in her campaign tried it out first Autumn Mar 2016 #67
Have these people no shame?! (rhetorical question) InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #70
Good Lord Kall Mar 2016 #76
Not just pathetic, it was obnoxious. I'm so done with all of them. reformist2 Mar 2016 #86
“a little chuckle to myself” Babel_17 Mar 2016 #28
Does anyone else wish Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #30
That's just my cup of tea NWCorona Mar 2016 #33
They are too busy propping up HRC and feeding her ego. Jackilope Mar 2016 #37
:facepalm: Now the Clinton campaign is complaining he lined up behind the leader Babel_17 Mar 2016 #32
This just keeps getting better NWCorona Mar 2016 #35
You've got to be kidding. Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #36
After the comment about the Reagans they must feel like they are in free fall Babel_17 Mar 2016 #41
Welcome to DU! Babel_17 Mar 2016 #42
Thanks. Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #43
That's even more lame than the excuses I'm seeing here! Though I expect to see it parrotted now. arcane1 Mar 2016 #52
Yeah, but we've retorted their retort, and now they're lost Babel_17 Mar 2016 #75
Seriously?? MgtPA Mar 2016 #34
Good find. What is the matter with Hillary Clinton? PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #40
I don't know WHAT'S wrong with her... MgtPA Mar 2016 #47
k&R!!! Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #38
Standing behind someone isn't meaningful unless you are also doing something about the issue. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #48
You should read the letter Hillary wrote NWCorona Mar 2016 #49
Derp! What did he do in 1993? You mean besides take the fight to the Republicans? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #50
Why do you think he was chosen to stand back there in the first place? arcane1 Mar 2016 #53
What did she do after failing? She made nice with the enemy: beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #55
Problems with her memory on a number of issues, elleng Mar 2016 #56
She can't seem to grasp that there is this thing called SoapBox Mar 2016 #59
Reminds me of the old Lenny Bruce routine, "who was that Mask Man." Hoppy Mar 2016 #64
OH, that's hilarious! PatrickforO Mar 2016 #71
Why, it's the Lone Socialist . . . Jack Rabbit Mar 2016 #73
Atbthe time, Sanders was pushing his single payer plan, not Clinton's plan Hoyt Mar 2016 #77
Lead, follow, or get out of the way Babel_17 Mar 2016 #78
Hillary forgets too much or she lies too often. Where is her integrity? kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #83
Clinton is a pathological liar. tabasco Mar 2016 #85

napi21

(45,806 posts)
29. How true! I have to say though that a whole lot of Pubbies don't seem to know that either!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:20 PM
Mar 2016

I laugh hard every time I see someone post a video or pic from the past outing the lies of the past.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
84. Well it doesn't but sometimes you got to dig through a whole lot garbage to get them morsels
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:57 AM
Mar 2016

Never so obvious with the saying one man's garbage is an another man's treasure

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
63. How some here continue to support Hillary in the face of her contemptible behavior is beyond me! ...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:58 PM
Mar 2016

Especially when Bernie has demonstrated himself to be the real authentic progressive in this race.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
72. Her personal "plumbing" trumps reason
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:15 PM
Mar 2016

when one's focused on making history as opposed to advancing the country.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
80. What's plumbing got to do with it? It's Hillary's dumbing, as in dumbing down her political agenda that worries me.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:48 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
82. My point was/is that some are voting for her solely because of her gender - instead of for reasons
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:18 AM
Mar 2016

of substance.

 

IllinoisLabour

(86 posts)
5. Hillary's never allowed anything as inconvenient as truth get in the way of HER TURN
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:32 PM
Mar 2016

At this point, it'll be news when she goes two straight days without telling a lie.

This is her 2008 campaign against Obama all over again.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
7. Pass me some popcorn!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:38 PM
Mar 2016


You know, I thought a possible Hillary meltdown was going to be visceral and ugly, like some of her campaign plays. This is almost funny in comparison.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own! Who's with me?"

*crickets*

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
18. Begs the question, where's Bill?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:01 PM
Mar 2016

He's usually good for hammering some nails in her campaign coffins.

I strongly suspect he'll attempt to "help" tomorrow or Monday.

This has been unfolding so similarly to 2008 it's bizarre.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
14. Disgusting...and this is after her comments about Nancy Reagan
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:56 PM
Mar 2016

being an advocate for AIDS Research. She seems to be desperate or she has a compulsion to lie and think no one will find out.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
15. He's just standing there one day
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:58 PM
Mar 2016

that does not prove he did anything! This is stupid. Yes he is literally standing there one day. But not figuratively as that implies.

mainer

(12,029 posts)
45. Bernie is Zelig!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:52 PM
Mar 2016

Always in the eye of history, but always ignored. Because others hog the glory while he just does the hard work.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
51. Yep, he snuck up behind her when she wasn't looking.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:40 PM
Mar 2016

Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself. Please proceed

Loudestlib

(980 posts)
58. About that.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:50 PM
Mar 2016


In February, Sanders requested a meeting with Hillary, “to bring in two Harvard Medical School physicians who have written on the Canadian system,” according to the records of the administration’s task force. Those physicians were Stephanie Woolhandler and David Himmelstein, leading advocates for single-payer health care. They got their meeting at the White House that month, and the two doctors laid out the case for single-payer to the first lady. “She said, ‘You make a convincing case, but is there any force on the face of the earth that could counter the hundreds of millions of the dollars the insurance industry would spend fighting that?’” recalled Himmelstein. “And I said, “How about the president of the United States actually leading the American people?’ and she said, ‘Tell me something real.’ ”

This was in 1993

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-119082

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
22. I really want one of her supporter's to respond to this
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:05 PM
Mar 2016

as I cannot see how Hillary thought she'd get away with it.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
24. They won't
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:07 PM
Mar 2016

or they will say it is some sort of conspiracy. Perhaps label those who speak up about it as right wingers

Ino

(3,366 posts)
25. The Hillary camp's "comeback" was pathetic...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:09 PM
Mar 2016
A spokeswoman for Mrs. Clinton, Jennifer Palmieri, had a comeback.

“Exactly, he was standing behind her,” Ms. Palmieri said. “She was out in front.”

Jackilope

(819 posts)
31. In front AND in the back room.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:24 PM
Mar 2016

You know, because the insurance industry -- who will think of them?

In later years, plenty of corporate interests donated to The Clinton Foundation. She and Bill have been far ahead and behind the scenes.

I do have to wonder if Trump is so outrageous to make her look remotely sane or the better of two awful options. The 1% is just phoning it in on the illusion.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
44. She was out front and failed.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:45 PM
Mar 2016

And for 23 years, she did not do a damned thing further. She pretends in this election that her desire to keep the status quo of an insurance mandate is progress.

Sanders did keep working on healthcare from getting the community rider to the ACA to reforming the VA system to fighting today for single-payer.

Fuck Clinton, fuck her surrogates, and fuck her lies. We are damned sick of this bullshit.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
46. When asked for a followup comment, Palmieri responded
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:52 PM
Mar 2016

by saying she didn't know a photo existed.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
62. I think that meme started here, a fairly new poster said something very similar to that this morning
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:55 PM
Mar 2016

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
30. Does anyone else wish
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:24 PM
Mar 2016

... that they were a fly on the wall at Hillary headquarters after being caught twice in two days lying?

Jackilope

(819 posts)
37. They are too busy propping up HRC and feeding her ego.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:29 PM
Mar 2016

The whole campaign is dysfunctional. The artful smear dept. is hiring, though, so maybe they will find better writers.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
32. :facepalm: Now the Clinton campaign is complaining he lined up behind the leader
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:24 PM
Mar 2016

A spokeswoman for Mrs. Clinton, Jennifer Palmieri, had a comeback.

“Exactly, he was standing behind her,” Ms. Palmieri said. “She was out in front.”

Memo to Sanders: It's expected that you should bump her out of the way and take control of the podium. Yeah, that's the ticket for gaining respect from people like Jennifer Palmieri.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
36. You've got to be kidding.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:29 PM
Mar 2016

That someone actually said that -- even jokingly. If that is what your spokeswoman thinks is an appropriate response, it is time to hire a new one.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
41. After the comment about the Reagans they must feel like they are in free fall
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:36 PM
Mar 2016

Lots of "quiet chuckles" about the upcoming FBI reports, and the work of the Inspectors General, to create a light atmosphere.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
52. That's even more lame than the excuses I'm seeing here! Though I expect to see it parrotted now.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:41 PM
Mar 2016

I don't see how these people can stand themselves any more.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
75. Yeah, but we've retorted their retort, and now they're lost
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:20 PM
Mar 2016

We're the fracking Dread Pirate Roberts of retorts.



Hah, when I went to look for this video I didn't think of who else might be in it.
Princess Buttercup/Robin Wright/Claire Underwood

PufPuf23

(8,822 posts)
40. Good find. What is the matter with Hillary Clinton?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:34 PM
Mar 2016

Talk about self-destruction by foot in mouth.

MgtPA

(1,022 posts)
47. I don't know WHAT'S wrong with her...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:11 PM
Mar 2016

With this latest gaffe coupled with yesterday's Reagan/AIDS thing, I'm thinking that head injury she sustained awhile back was more serious than she let on.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
48. Standing behind someone isn't meaningful unless you are also doing something about the issue.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:30 PM
Mar 2016

What did he do?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
50. Derp! What did he do in 1993? You mean besides take the fight to the Republicans?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:35 PM
Mar 2016


Bernie has been LEADING the fight for decades. And unlike Hillary he didn't sell us out because he's STILL fighting.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
53. Why do you think he was chosen to stand back there in the first place?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:43 PM
Mar 2016

It's not like he crashed a party and planted himself there.

Seriously. Lame.

What exactly did Hillary do besides give a speech? Oh, and besides failing?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
55. What did she do after failing? She made nice with the enemy:
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:45 PM
Mar 2016
Hillary Clinton’s Single-Payer Pivot Greased By Millions in Industry Speech Fees

Hillary Clinton’s sudden attack on Bernie Sanders’ single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible — not that it is a bad idea.

Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.

That was certainly Clinton’s position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.

But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.



Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/


Democratic Debate 2015: Hillary Clinton’s ‘Enemies’ In Pharmaceutical and Insurance Industries Have Supported Her Campaigns, Foundation

In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as “Pharmaceuticals /Health Products.” The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.

On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.

In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.


Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundation’s website.

That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
59. She can't seem to grasp that there is this thing called
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:50 PM
Mar 2016

HISTORY!

And that history comes with VIDEOS AND PICTURE.

She is an idiot.

PatrickforO

(14,586 posts)
71. OH, that's hilarious!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:11 PM
Mar 2016

"Where was Bernie when I was advocating single payer healthcare in 93 and 94?"

Answer: Standing right behind you. See the photo!

This just tickles me to death. Clinton's penchant for lying has always bothered me, but what tickles me is Bernie is right back at her with the truth. It's just great!

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
77. Atbthe time, Sanders was pushing his single payer plan, not Clinton's plan
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:25 PM
Mar 2016

which at least had some chance of passing because she was trying to instill local oversight to thwart those who were against the federal government.

If Sanders had supported her plan, rather than pushing his own, we might well be further along today.

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