2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSay, Who Was That Mysterious Man Behind Hillary Clinton?
The link doesn't allow me to copy text but it's worth a read
Edit:
ST. LOUIS An energized Hillary Clinton took aim at Donald J. Trump and Bernie Sanders on Saturday. But at least one shot backfired.
Mrs. Clinton accused Mr. Sanders of distorting her record and said the Vermont senator, who has made a single-payer health care system a signature part of his campaign, had not always been such an advocate on the issue.
She said she has a little chuckle to myself when she thinks about the current debates over health care. I dont know, Mrs. Clinton said. Where was he when I was trying to get health care in 93 and 94?
The answer: Literally, standing right behind her, a Sanders spokesman, Mike Casca, said on Twitter, posting a photo from a 1994 news conference that shows Mr. Sanders next to Mrs. Clinton when the then first lady spoke about the White Houses proposed health care overhaul.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/12/say-who-was-that-mysterious-man-behind-hillary-clinton/
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I'm really curious what her supporter's here on DU think about this?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Hopefully with the same success for her.
Her campaign is pathetic.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)I laugh hard every time I see someone post a video or pic from the past outing the lies of the past.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Never so obvious with the saying one man's garbage is an another man's treasure
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Unbelievable the things she says and does.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Especially when Bernie has demonstrated himself to be the real authentic progressive in this race.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)when one's focused on making history as opposed to advancing the country.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)of substance.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)IllinoisLabour
(86 posts)At this point, it'll be news when she goes two straight days without telling a lie.
This is her 2008 campaign against Obama all over again.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
Hydra
(14,459 posts)You know, I thought a possible Hillary meltdown was going to be visceral and ugly, like some of her campaign plays. This is almost funny in comparison.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own! Who's with me?"
*crickets*
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)He's usually good for hammering some nails in her campaign coffins.
I strongly suspect he'll attempt to "help" tomorrow or Monday.
This has been unfolding so similarly to 2008 it's bizarre.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)I forgot about Bill! I bet he's saving up for a really big one!
*BOOM*
"...uhh...oops?"
djean111
(14,255 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)maybe she's having a "senior moment" that just keeps going...
KoKo
(84,711 posts)being an advocate for AIDS Research. She seems to be desperate or she has a compulsion to lie and think no one will find out.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)that does not prove he did anything! This is stupid. Yes he is literally standing there one day. But not figuratively as that implies.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)mainer
(12,029 posts)Always in the eye of history, but always ignored. Because others hog the glory while he just does the hard work.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself. Please proceed
Loudestlib
(980 posts)In February, Sanders requested a meeting with Hillary, to bring in two Harvard Medical School physicians who have written on the Canadian system, according to the records of the administrations task force. Those physicians were Stephanie Woolhandler and David Himmelstein, leading advocates for single-payer health care. They got their meeting at the White House that month, and the two doctors laid out the case for single-payer to the first lady. She said, You make a convincing case, but is there any force on the face of the earth that could counter the hundreds of millions of the dollars the insurance industry would spend fighting that? recalled Himmelstein. And I said, How about the president of the United States actually leading the American people? and she said, Tell me something real.
This was in 1993
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-119082
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Bernie puts in that work
renate
(13,776 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)as I cannot see how Hillary thought she'd get away with it.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)or they will say it is some sort of conspiracy. Perhaps label those who speak up about it as right wingers
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)phazed0
(745 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
Ino
(3,366 posts)Exactly, he was standing behind her, Ms. Palmieri said. She was out in front.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)That deserves a post all on it's own
Jackilope
(819 posts)You know, because the insurance industry -- who will think of them?
In later years, plenty of corporate interests donated to The Clinton Foundation. She and Bill have been far ahead and behind the scenes.
I do have to wonder if Trump is so outrageous to make her look remotely sane or the better of two awful options. The 1% is just phoning it in on the illusion.
TM99
(8,352 posts)And for 23 years, she did not do a damned thing further. She pretends in this election that her desire to keep the status quo of an insurance mandate is progress.
Sanders did keep working on healthcare from getting the community rider to the ACA to reforming the VA system to fighting today for single-payer.
Fuck Clinton, fuck her surrogates, and fuck her lies. We are damned sick of this bullshit.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)by saying she didn't know a photo existed.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)from the OP's New York Times' link...
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/12/say-who-was-that-mysterious-man-behind-hillary-clinton/
Autumn
(45,120 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Lol
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)... that they were a fly on the wall at Hillary headquarters after being caught twice in two days lying?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Jackilope
(819 posts)The whole campaign is dysfunctional. The artful smear dept. is hiring, though, so maybe they will find better writers.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)A spokeswoman for Mrs. Clinton, Jennifer Palmieri, had a comeback.
Exactly, he was standing behind her, Ms. Palmieri said. She was out in front.
Memo to Sanders: It's expected that you should bump her out of the way and take control of the podium. Yeah, that's the ticket for gaining respect from people like Jennifer Palmieri.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)That someone actually said that -- even jokingly. If that is what your spokeswoman thinks is an appropriate response, it is time to hire a new one.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Lots of "quiet chuckles" about the upcoming FBI reports, and the work of the Inspectors General, to create a light atmosphere.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Prepare to be amazed.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)I don't see how these people can stand themselves any more.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)We're the fracking Dread Pirate Roberts of retorts.
Hah, when I went to look for this video I didn't think of who else might be in it.
Princess Buttercup/Robin Wright/Claire Underwood
MgtPA
(1,022 posts)PufPuf23
(8,822 posts)Talk about self-destruction by foot in mouth.
MgtPA
(1,022 posts)With this latest gaffe coupled with yesterday's Reagan/AIDS thing, I'm thinking that head injury she sustained awhile back was more serious than she let on.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)What did he do?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Actually thanking him for what he did.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bernie has been LEADING the fight for decades. And unlike Hillary he didn't sell us out because he's STILL fighting.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It's not like he crashed a party and planted himself there.
Seriously. Lame.
What exactly did Hillary do besides give a speech? Oh, and besides failing?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hillary Clintons sudden attack on Bernie Sanders single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible not that it is a bad idea.
Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.
That was certainly Clintons position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.
But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.
Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/
In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as Pharmaceuticals /Health Products. The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.
On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.
In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.
Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundations website.
That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance
elleng
(131,077 posts)it appears.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)HISTORY!
And that history comes with VIDEOS AND PICTURE.
She is an idiot.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)PatrickforO
(14,586 posts)"Where was Bernie when I was advocating single payer healthcare in 93 and 94?"
Answer: Standing right behind you. See the photo!
This just tickles me to death. Clinton's penchant for lying has always bothered me, but what tickles me is Bernie is right back at her with the truth. It's just great!
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts). . . bringing lawn and order to Wall Street
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)which at least had some chance of passing because she was trying to instill local oversight to thwart those who were against the federal government.
If Sanders had supported her plan, rather than pushing his own, we might well be further along today.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)I'm voting for him to lead, this time around.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)This has become clear during this campaign.