2016 Postmortem
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TDale313
(7,820 posts)Fucking tired of the bullying.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I.e., to toss your own bums out. Or at minimum by staying home and not voting. Then, next time vote for better people from your own party and toss the others out. YOU ARE NEEDED! There is nothing more guaranteed to force change.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)The repressive reaction to the Sanders challenge is looking like evidence of that.
djean111
(14,255 posts)SamKnause
(13,110 posts)I include myself in the mix.
forest444
(5,902 posts)when in reality, polls have consistently shown the opposite: that Bernie's not only a far better Democrat than Shillary, he's also much more electable.
It's the media doing, no doubt about it.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)It's awkward. Kind of like halitosis.
Illegitimi non carborundum, FS!
Happenstance24
(193 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Happenstance24
(193 posts)The Supreme Court is the end game. Presidents come and go every 4-8 years. SC justices last 40 years +. This "revolution" should have turned toward the SC the second Scalia died.
840high
(17,196 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)especially the corporations EVERYWHERE
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Bernie is my champion, not the woman who edits bits out of the Bible to attack me with when stroking the folks at Rick Warren's Megachurch.
If Hillary had planned on running as a civil rights champion, she ought not have been a civil rights opponents. Her supporters just seem bigoted and selfish and rich, half of them strut around here wearing the rhetorical version of top hat and monocle 'listen to me, my wife and I are wealthy'. So really, you are full of stink.
Happenstance24
(193 posts)is your champion. I'm not trying to stop you from voting Bernie. Go vote for him. I care about those who say they will sit out the general when he loses.
Loudestlib
(980 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)... makes me afraid to stick to my principles and vote according to my conscience instead of taking the easy way out and following the conventional wisdom."
And who, by the way, is defining that conventional wisdom?
Is it the will of the people? Or is it the dictate of Big Money and its bullhorn, Big Media?
kath
(10,565 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)Nothing that wasn't already proposed by Bernie Sanders ...
The 'future', as defined by Bernie's proposed policies, is a FAR more optimistic place than Hillary's 'NO WE CAN'T' can ever offer ..
One might wonder why someone would even claim such a thing .. Hillary has a positive vision of the future state of the middle class? ... hardly ...
NO WE CAN'T? ... I don't think that's a positive, optimistic stance, and I'm sure most rational people would agree that Hillary's offers the LEAST positive policies for regular citizens ...
dchill
(38,556 posts)Loudestlib
(980 posts)Happenstance24
(193 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
Loudestlib
(980 posts)I'll also tell them that if a candidate runs a dirty primary campaign, attacks her opponents supporters, and deflects questions, that candidate may win the primary but they'll lose a chunk of the base and the GE.
Pyrrhic victory.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)a sure path to at least one 'future'.
Same Shite, Different Election.
kath
(10,565 posts)and reached his/her limit of bullshit".
Enough is enough is fucking ENOUGH.
And fuck all the DLC/ThirdWay/TrojanHorse assholes who infiltrated the party of FDR.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I'm going to hell.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Didn't your parents teach you that having high principles and humane values was
selfish in the extreme?
Martin Eden
(12,878 posts)More often than not, I've cast my vote AGAINST the Republican rather than FOR a candidate I truly believed in -- and even then I was disappointed after my guy won.
I'm bloody sick of voting for the "lesser evil."
Nevertheless, if Hillary is the nominee and my home state of Illinois has even a remote chance of flipping to whomever emerges from the Rethug clown car, I'll hold my nose and vote for HRC because REAL PEOPLE will suffer far worse consequences with an R in the White House.
If I thought that disaster would somehow lead to the kind of political revolution that would make things better in the long run I would consider not lifting a finger to keep the likes of Trump from becoming president, but I have no confidence in that kind of positive backlash.
Hopefully, President sanders will be inaugurated next January and we won't have to endure another Rethug misleading our country.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)http://www.salon.com/2016/02/02/bernie_bros_stop_this_meme_your_dumb_joke_about_hillarys_music_taste_isnt_funny_its_predictably_sexist/
http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/your-pop-culture-sanders-vs-clinton-memes-are-sexist-and-unfunny-8130819
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/users/2016/02/the_bernie_vs_hillary_meme_is_weird_ceaseless_and_kind_of_sexist_just_like.html
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/theres-a-new-bernie-or-hillary-meme-but-is-it-sexist-stereot
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/279562/hillary-clinton-bernie-bro-sexism/
I think my brain popped somewhere between "situates Bernie's dominance in masculine subcultures and products" and Kenny G as unpacking cisheteronormativity
panader0
(25,816 posts)Vinca
(50,313 posts)Our ideas have no chance of succeeding. Wonder how many people told JFK we couldn't get to the moon?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)support Her Royal Highness because, if she is the Dem nominee, then it doesn't matter to the Greedy Bastards who wins the general election...I thought intelligent Dems had already figured that out...
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)and vote for anyone with a (D) label behind their name.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)we're indys who have registered a Dems in order to vote for Bernie - that's it. So this "be a good Dem" stuff REALLY won't work on us.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)warrprayer
(4,734 posts)You won't find me there
Jackilope
(819 posts)I feel beaten up for having the audacity to want a better Democratic candidate. (One that isn't sold out, a corporate and Wall St. shill, and a war hawk. Not too much to ask for as a Democratic candidate.)
So no, copying up with the tormentors isn't an effective tactic or motivating force for me.
I stand with you.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)have had enough. We put up with it for a long time, but we aren't going to do it any more.
Fuck the corporate wing of our once-great Party.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Meant in the spirit of good natured ribbing.
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Samantha
(9,314 posts)Hopefully it will be something that will incorporate physical exertion. Listen to music you love. Watch a movie you have really been wanting to see but missed because you were posting here. Take long walks. Call an old friend you really care about but have neglected. Eat good food and catch up on your rest. Read that great book you have had on your nightstand for forever.
Do not visit DU no matter how much you are tempted. Turn it off and let your brain and your blood pressure rest. When you have reached the point you feel you are your normal self again (whatever that is Flying Squirrel!!!!) come back and once again start raising holy hell!!! We will miss you but we know you will return as a new and improved version, and we will start calling you "Rocky."
Take care.
Sam
salinsky
(1,065 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)I've been a racist since I opposed Obama's continuing NSA spaying.
Before that, when Bush the Frat Boy did it, it was OK to oppose NSA spying and even regard it as grounds for impeachment.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)mountain grammy
(26,656 posts)She has so much foreign policy experience, and, with Bill, it's like getting 2 for 1...
I said it's precisely America's failed foreign policy that has me supporting Bernie Sanders. More of the same intervention and aggression from Hillary, protecting the interests of corporations. Let's give peace a chance. As a Sec of State, I think Kerry has been far more effective.