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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:04 AM Oct 2012

Interesting: After declining, Obama sees bounce in American Life Panel tracking poll (leads by 3)...

Yesterday, he was at 48.17 and today he's at 48.75. Romney was at 46.1 and is now at 45.65. So, Obama's margin is now 3.1 ... the best it's been in a few days. It's also the first time since the debate that Romney's support has dropped two days in a row.

https://mmicdata.rand.org/alp/?page=election#election-forecast

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Interesting: After declining, Obama sees bounce in American Life Panel tracking poll (leads by 3)... (Original Post) Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 OP
k Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #1
This is the limbo until Tuesday Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #2
Not entirely sure but hope and expect they use measures to ensure a balanced town hall audience. RBInMaine Oct 2012 #3
I googled "how do they pick the audience for the town hall presidential debate?" octoberlib Oct 2012 #4
Townhall debate audience octoberlib Oct 2012 #5
Romney was allowed to get away with stacking the Univision event TroyD Oct 2012 #7
He was desperate and unpresidential Cosmocat Oct 2012 #9
'if the lines are within the gray band then the observed differences may be due to chance' TroyD Oct 2012 #6
The differences may always be due to chance Shivering Jemmy Oct 2012 #10
thanks Joe lame54 Oct 2012 #8
OK, this one makes sense Brewinblue Oct 2012 #11
It's an interesting poll, but almost everything there is now within margin of error struggle4progress Oct 2012 #12
so what Shivering Jemmy Oct 2012 #14
Romney's minute in the sun is over. We will beging to see the "Biden Bounce" this weekend bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #13

Maximumnegro

(1,134 posts)
2. This is the limbo until Tuesday
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:45 AM
Oct 2012

Interesting stuff. Tuesday is going to be a big night. I can't even imagine the spin the GOP is preparing.

And a totally random thought: how do we know Romney hasn't stacked the town hall? If those a-holes were low enough to bring up Biden's dead family to his face, then I sure as hell would bet they are trying to ensure the town hall audience is stacked.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
4. I googled "how do they pick the audience for the town hall presidential debate?"
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:09 AM
Oct 2012

Last edited Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:40 AM - Edit history (1)

And this was one of the links that came up. It's from a right wing blog. http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/10/05/the-zombie-apocalypse-town-hall-debate-is-coming/ .......SNIP....... Am I the only one who loathes this kind of discussion arrangement?



Let’s unpack this, shall we? “Undecided voters selected by the Gallup Organization”—that phrase is fraught with peril. Any time I’ve watched a town hall debate with participants chosen in this way, it seems to me most of the “undecideds” skewed left. Who, by October 16, will be sincerely undecided? My guess is a bunch of that crowd will be disillusioned former Obama supporters who might not be looking for information so much as rationales for not abandoning their guy.

Tip for the Romney camp: Prepare as if the entire audience will be from a 2008 Obama rally..........SNIP.......

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
5. Townhall debate audience
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:18 AM
Oct 2012

....SNIP.....For the purposes of picking the debate audience, Gallup pollsters call people who live near the debate site – in this case, it’s on Oct. 16 at Hofstra University in Hempstead, NY – and ask a series of questions that were pre-approved by both campaigns.

“If they qualify as an uncommitted voter, then we invite them to be a participant in the debate,” he explained. http://washingtonexaminer.com/gallup-editor-closer-we-get-to-election-likely-voter-polls-become-more-important/article/2510280#.UHkwgcXA9js

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
7. Romney was allowed to get away with stacking the Univision event
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:35 AM
Oct 2012

That was a clue that he is dangerous and should not be underestimated.

This time the Obama campaign & the media need to fight back against any treachery.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
9. He was desperate and unpresidential
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:55 AM
Oct 2012

I said before Thursday night that Biden would be characterized as bullying if he won the debate.

Just obvious given the GOP MO.

Romney WON by dominating the debate, so the frame changes when it is a D.

Whatever assertiveness that the President shows will be negatively framed as DESPERATE and unseemly for the President.

I don't think Ryan purposefully brought up the car car crash because of Biden. I think he was not horrible, but he clearly was in over his head a lot, and I think it just showed his lack of knowledge about things. If it where me, once I figured it out, I would have apologized (and make no mistake, the right wing and "liberal media" would be SCREAMING for that apology if the tables were turned).

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
6. 'if the lines are within the gray band then the observed differences may be due to chance'
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:33 AM
Oct 2012

Looks like the lines are still within the gray band. So we're probably going to have to wait a few days to see if Obama's line can move up out of the gray band (which I assume is the Rand's form of the margin of error).

But it may be a good sign.

Shivering Jemmy

(900 posts)
10. The differences may always be due to chance
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 08:00 AM
Oct 2012

If the numbers are outside the gray bands there is a 95% likelihood that the difference is not due to chance. Eyeballing today's difference that today we are 94% certain the difference is not due to chance.

Shivering Jemmy

(900 posts)
14. so what
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 09:35 AM
Oct 2012

so there's a 94% likelihood the lead is real vs. a 95% likelyhood the lead is real?

You really want to argue that makes a difference?

bushisanidiot

(8,064 posts)
13. Romney's minute in the sun is over. We will beging to see the "Biden Bounce" this weekend
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 09:20 AM
Oct 2012

Monday especially will be telling and will give the President some wind at his back
when he goes into Tuesday's debate. It's going to be a great week, folks!

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