2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy??? - Do Major Players In The AA Community Tend To Go Quiet When One Of Theirs Supports Bernie ??
MLK Associate (Rev. Harold Middlebrook) Tells Memphis Baptist Group Hes Backing Bernie SandersDULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511323519
Why I Joined Bernie Sanders - Sen. Vincent Fort/HuffPo
DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511346662
And here... Charles Blow does not necessarily support Sanders, sounds like he does not...
But at least he gives information that the rest of us should consider.
Clinton, Sanders and Southern Voters
DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511340823
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)I hadn't noticed til you just pointed that out. Thank you.
K&R
brush
(54,000 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)And you didn't answer the question.
brush
(54,000 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
X 100000
Especially since I am one of the minorities that insult was directed at.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Thank you for asking this question. I would really like to see a serious discussion about this.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Check it out, do some reading.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1187
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)I've read quite a few of those as they come up in latest threads. A lot of good comments posted. But I'm hoping to see some serious discussion on this particular topic (if there is one already on this topic I hope you will be kind enough to point it out). I've talked with a few people (not Bernie supporters) about Bernie and the Black vote that have been very interesting. Bravenak was one person who was helpful to me when I first came back to DU. She's posted a number of interesting pieces that I've read (I miss seeing her posts). I would really like to see more discussion (not flame wars). That is what I mean about serious. I was hoping to see people with a variety of perspectives discussing this subject because I think it's an important issue and it's equally important to try to understand each other instead of talking past each other or forcing our opinions on others. Thanks again for the link.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I can't think of a specific thread... But if I see one I'll let you know.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)about it being the wrong time of the year. And thank you for offering to let me know if you run across that type of thread. I appreciate it. One of the things I really like about DU is that there are so many wonderful things to read. In fact, I read so much each night that I'm staying up way past my bedtime during the week. I've been like a zombie at work this week and my husband is starting to make fun of me for being glued to the computer. Once I finally leave the computer for the night to get in bed....I start reading one of my books before going to sleep. So much to read....so little time. Have a great weekend!
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)Riiiight......you aren't going to see anything serious with the author of this OP. They are very good at throwing grenades and laughing as they go off...good luck with any *serious* convo in GD-P.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Starting with your infamous Stockholm Syndrome thread, you have a pattern of suggesting that African-Americans aren't rational enough to think for themselves, and come to your conclusions about who they should vote for.
I would suggest that this is your issue, not theirs.
Edit to add:
Spend some serious time reading the African-American group, and you will understand much more.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)And YOU didn't answer the question either.
Or... maybe you did...
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Go figure.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Do you people ever hear yourselves?!
Number23
(24,544 posts)into the AA forum.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)What else to "they" say? Please elaborate....Maybe you should tell them how to act...maybe 'they' aren't showing you enough respect...you should explain to them how stupid they are, maybe...
Go ahead. Please proceed.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)They are engaged in a battle of ideas everywhere, including here on DU, and you apparently don't read any of it. Then you launch another clueless OP.
trillion
(1,859 posts)I think it comes down to the same thing for the whites. If they bother to vet, they run from her. And if they don't vet, they support her and get mad if you bring up her record.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)"one of theirs"? - please, this is terrible.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Did you check those links... did you see the responses ???
I'm not gonna be cowed (oh hell, whoops... did it again) into being afraid of having an adult discussion, on an adult discussion board.
Sorry.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)If you haven't done your homework, and you really haven't.
Read the AA group and learn.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)John F. Henry
Department of Economics
California State University, Sacramento
(* denotes especially recommended)
A. General Works
American Academy of Political and Social Science, The Negro's Progress in Fifty Years (1913)
*Aptheker, H., The Negro People in America (1946)
Brawley, B., A Social History of the American Negro (1921)
Brown, Wm., The Black Man: His Antecedents, His Genius and His Achievements (1863)
Cromwell, J., The Negro in American History (1916)
Carlyle, T., The Nigger Question
*Cox, O.C., Caste, Class and Race (1948)
Race Relations (1976)
DuBois, W. E. B., The World and Africa (1972)
The ABC of Color (1967)
The Souls of Black Folks (1903)
Color and Democracy (1945)
Elkins, S., Slavery (1959)
Easton, H., A Treatise on the Intellectual Character...of the Colored People of the U.S. (1837)
Ferris, W., The African Abroad..., 2 Vols. (1913)
Foner, P., American Socialism and Black Americans (1977)
* History of Black America, 4 Vols.
Fortune, T., Black and White: Land, Labor and Politics in the South (1884)
*Foster, Wm., The Negro People in American History (1954)
Franklin, J. H., From Slavery to Freedom, 4th ed. (1974)
Haynes, R., The Trend of the Races (1922)
Helm, H., From Darkness to Bright (1909)
Herskovitz, M., The Myth of the Negro Past (1941)
Jordan, W., White over Black (1968)
The White Man's Burden (1974)
McGay, V., Africa in World Politics (1963)
McWilliams, C., Brothers Under the Skin (1964)
Meier, A. and Rudwick, E., From Plantation to Ghetto (1966)
Mill, J. S., The Nigger Question
Miller, K., An Appeal to Conscience: America's Color Code of Caste A Disgrace to
Democracy (1918)
Myrdal, G. An American Dilemma (1944)Payne, D., History of the A.M.E.Z. Church (1891)
Phillips, U., Life and Labor in the Old South
American Negro Slavery (1918)
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Rogers, J. A., Nature Knows No Color Line (1952)
Rosenberg, A., Race and Race History
Southern Exposure, Mark of the Beast (1980)
Thomas, W. H., The American Negro (1901)
Washington, B. T., The Future of the American Negro (1879)
The Negro in Business (1907)
Williams, G. W., A History of the Negro Race in America From 1619 to 1880 (1883)
Winston, H., Strategy For a Black Agenda (1973)
Wood, N., The White Side of a Black Subject (1896)
Woodward, C., Origins of the New South (1951)
A.1 Bibliographic Guides
Abajian, J., Blacks in Selected Newspapers, etc.
Afro-Americana, 1553-1906
Bibliographic Guide to Black Studies
Fisk University Library, Dictionary Catalogue of the Negro Collection
Howard University Library, Dictionary Catalogue of the Jesse E. Moorland Collection of
Negro Life and History
Index to Periodical Articles by and about Negroes
Jenkins, B. and Phillis, S., Black Separation: A Bibliography
Kumatz, T. and Wolf, J., The Black Experience
McPherson, J., et. al., Blacks in America
Miller, E., The Negro in America
N. Y. Public Library, Dictionary Catalogue of the Schomberg Collection of Negro Literature
And that's just half of the A's...
Link: (.pdf file): http://www.csus.edu/indiv/h/henryjf/PDFS/RacismBib.pdf
Education... what a wonderful thing...
AND... Make sure you read this in your lifetime:
And...
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Did you read these books? All of them?
And what black people do you talk to about racial issues now?
brush
(54,000 posts)Melanin envy.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Do you think there is some kind of Black people UN that needs to confer whenever there is a decision made by some people of color?
What the heck is this even about? What do you expect the major players to come out and say? Challenge each other to a duel over this? Everyone has the agency to make their own decisions. Some Black people are also Republicans and Greens. Shocker!
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)that all black people don't think alike and they have enough maturity and respect not to trash people just because they happen to disagree with them politically.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)There isnt one black America, but two: The children of the Great Migration and the children of those who stayed behind in the South. (Black immigrants are another story.) Having spent the first half of my life in the South and the second in Great Migration destination cities, I can attest that the sensibilities are as different as night and day.
There is a scene described in the Stanley Nelsons fascinating documentary Freedom Summer about an integrated delegation from Mississippi to be seated at the 1964 Democratic Convention instead of the all-white one.
At one point, Congressman Adam Clayton Powell Jr. of New York is dispatched to the integrated delegation to persuade them to accept a pathetic compromise to remedy the standoff between the delegations.
Powell reportedly said to Fannie Lou Hamer, a member of the integrated delegation, You dont know who I am, do you? Hamer responded, Yeah, I know who you are. You are Adam Clayton Powell. She continued, But how many bales of cotton have you picked? How many beatings have you taken?
It was her way of telling her Northern brother not to dictate what those in the South should do or how they should think.
Southerners in general bristle at this idea that they must be steered...
From 3rd Link in OP.
Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511340823
Do you guys ever read the info in the posts ???
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Maybe it is new to you.
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)every time a female, or gay Bernie supporter speaks on women/gay issues I don't feel the need to chime in. They support Bernie. That's them.
If you're AA, I believe it works the same way.
Two of my AA friends are Bernie supporters. Both of them never speak of race issues, or BLM. They're voting for Bernie because they believe he will help get the money out of election politics. That's their trip. I argue with them a little bit, but they're feeling the Bern. If that's their main issue, then I understand their vote. I disagree, but I respect their decision.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Anywhere, but particularly in the black community due to his hateful screeds against Obama
WillyT
(72,631 posts)DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511346662
DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511340823
DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511323519
I've got dozens more...
But I'll take your opinion on these three.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)He is making general observations about black support and the primary. What is your point in posting this? He says Hillary has more black support. Do you contest that?
The other two are merely endorsements by individuals. The first notes that Hillary has 75% of the black support in that state.
Again, what is your point?
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)Not that you are doing any discussion at all on the subject. Your forward clicking finger is fabulous!
Can't wait to see what you forward next........actually.........
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)This is just NOT your subject.
At all...
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)I'm Puerto Rican does that make Cruz & Rubio my own, I mean we are all Latinos right?
JI7
(89,303 posts)also.
artislife
(9,497 posts)that other PoCs get a meeting with the other candidate. Haven't heard anything about the great news that Bernie has hired a Native American woman and has met with them in Hibbing, MN. Just a population that also has bad water, disease, limited access to health care and a victim of genocide.
I may be just saddened tonight. But I was euphoric in 2008, when all the minorities were meeting up and campaigning for Obama.Where we started sharing our commonality with each other, knowing that TPTB didn't want us to join up together. Right now, this moment, I wonder if that was all false and that we only mattered for our votes.
This election is all about pulling back the veil. This is one veil I hope is not real and tomorrow I will wake up feeling united again.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)And just stop digging that hole.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Honestly, your OP is insulting.
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