2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIn 2008, my home town had a roughly equal number of signs for both candidates.
This year, I've seen one Obama sign for every hundred Romney signs. If that's an indication of how people are voting, we're in serious trouble. What's it like where you live?
gateley
(62,683 posts)I seem to recall some here talking about having trouble getting yard signs from the campaign, and something about they decided not to spend a lot of money on them???? Something like that. Anybody?
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)It was 61 to 2, but the second Obama sign was added to the same yard. I'm sure if I went into the city, I'd find more Obama signs. After Joe's performance, things might change.
CitizenLeft
(2,791 posts)On my way to work, a 20 min drive that takes me through residential areas: 10-1 Obama.
But I was in Lake county this weekend, and it was the opposite. Can't say what Lake looked like in 2008, but this year, I see fewer signs for both parties everywhere. In Cuyahoga county, McCain signs were everywhere in 2008; way fewer Romney signs this year. But Obama clearly dominates in my county, which is expected as it's the bluest part of the state.
Day And Night
(16 posts)I'm in KC, MO. I work over in OP, KS. I see more Obama stickers/logos there than I do Romney. And this is an area that's full of dumb, crazy ass teabaggers.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)the ones I am seeing are heavily GOP, in this a Democratic area.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)But I live in Texas, so Romney is a foregone conclusion.
So - - - the rest of the nation, please don't let me down! I'm counting on sensible Democrats to get out and vote in the swing states in massive numbers!!!
Chiquitita
(752 posts)I'm seeing many fewer Romney than McCain signs and bumperstickers this year. About the same number for Obama.
Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)I thought Atlanta was Dem leaning?
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)even if it means electing a crook like Tom Graves to the House.
There weren't any RMoney signs up near me until after the presidential debate.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)the middle of Ohio... same here... 1 Obama to every 100 Romney... and lots of
"Stop the War on Coal/Fire Obama" everytime I see one I scream out the window... "there is no fucking war on coal you assholes!"
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)And I live in a conservative area. Lots more McCain signs last time around.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)No place i've seen
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)I live in a Republican County. In fact, there hasn't been a Democratic judge elected in over 100 years.
onenote
(42,700 posts)EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)and I live in a bright blue state. Meaningless around here.
Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)That, and gaming the polls and, of course, the illegal voter registrations.
smorkingapple
(827 posts)DOn't know what this means, but it's a vast difference from 2008....
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)I ordered several items, including signs, from the Obama Store beginning of September and they didn't mail it till at least 4 weeks later. I don't know why it took so long.
CBHagman
(16,984 posts)...until recently. The first bumper sticker I saw was on a car with Washington, D.C., plates, but I wouldn't read too much into that, given how reliably Democratic D.C. is.
Most the signs and stickers I see in Maryland are Obama-Biden. I've seen maybe one anti-Obama bumper sticker and that was in Bethesda.
In northern Virginia, I spotted a fair number of Romney signs but can't give you a breakdown.
Fringe
(175 posts)It depends on where you live, sometimes those with the loudest voices are in the minority.
I lived out West in the blue state of Washington in Kitsap county in 2008, and there were more McCain yard signs than Obama yard signs and the McCain people were louder because they were out numbered by democrats.
I now live in PA, and I've counted zero yard signs of any kind, and I've seen two Obama stickers and 2 Romney stickers on cars. However I have noticed that Romney voters are louder just as McCain voters were in Washington State.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)everything is dry dry dry but we should be getting back to typical Pacific NorthWet tomorrow.
Thanks for the info. I sure do miss it, rain and all. Washington State is a special kind of place.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)but it could be an indication of their enthusiasm.
Mrs. Ted Nancy
(462 posts)I've seen a few Romney/Ryan signs and bumper stickers, but no where near the number of McCain/Palin signs I saw in 2008.
In the past month, lots of people were wanting Obama signs. They had to wait because the Dems had to order more signs. The signs arrived a couple of weeks ago. They also sent a few thousand signs to the western part of the state. Four years ago, there were just a handful of Obama signs in that area.
Also, I've talked with a few people who have Obama signs in their yard. They have had neighbors tell them "thank-you" for having the Obama sign. Now, their neighbors have Obama signs in their yards.
Oklahoma is safe for Romney. But, I don't think the vote will be as lopsided as it was four years ago.
Cha
(297,196 posts)Stolen?
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)A number have been reported defaced.
surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)Then again, Obama will easily win this district, so maybe there's no point in putting up signs.
I haven't seen more than a few signs for local races either.
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)a kennedy
(29,655 posts)I've only seen one Mitwit sign, most are for local races.
we can do it
(12,184 posts)samplegirl
(11,477 posts)for a battleground state. I was very disappointed in the signs anyway........could they of made the lettering any smaller?
The signs are awful.
Last election I delivered 250 signs. Maybe they are holding back until the week before.
Livluvgrow
(377 posts)Signs create a tremendous amount of waste and probably dont sway too many voters if any at all.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)and recyclable.
Livluvgrow
(377 posts)I know you would probably recycle them I know I and many others probably would, but most I bet just end up in the trash. What is really wasteful are the really large intersection signs. They seem to stick around for weeks after an election and are more of an eye sore than motivation for voting
Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)Many of them are plastic. And they lay around for months after an election. I thought there was some law about leaving them up after a certain amount of times.
earthside
(6,960 posts)... at least in bellwether Jefferson County.
Oh, I see a few here and there; some of them are clearly signs from 2008.
On the other hand, there are an increasing number of Rmoney/Ryan yard signs.
I have to tell you, I don't know if yard signs influence the vote, but they sure do influence the sense of momentum and enthusiasm. It is a real bummer to see Rmoney signs slowly but surely popping-up and no Obama signs.
Jefferson County is key to winning Colorado -- Obama must win here or be very, very close -- Denver and Boulder by themselves are just not enough to gain a plurality in this state.
Four years ago there were Obama/Biden yard signs everywhere and we all just knew that we were going blue -- this time not so much.
Frankly, and I'm not meaning to be a wet blanket, but I think Colorado is problematic for Obama ... the campaign needs some kind of boost here or it is going the other way.
clydefrand
(4,325 posts)I have seen very few also. I keep wondering why...people can't afford to buy them? Not being sold? Do they really make people want to vote one way or the other? I already know how I will vote.
I do wonder why I don't see more for Obama. I have seen only one sticker on a car for Romney, but lots of signs for him. Also only one sticker for Obama other than mine.
Strange things going on...or at least different than in the past.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)I ordered some items from the Obama Store, including signs, beginning of September but they didn't ship till nearly 5 weeks later.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)I haven't seen one. I live in the tail end of the county, a short walk to OC.
To this day, every day, I flip off the house that was draped in Yes On 8 signs and banners. Funny, that dude doesn't have one sign up this year. The lady at the end of the street finally took down her Bush/Cheney sign, but nobody fucks with her because she's got kids in the wars. I remember seeing hundreds and hundreds of Meg Whitman signs lining the roads last time around. Those didn't seem to help and were probably a huge waste of money. And maybe that's what's really going on. They've decided to not waste money where they're not going to win. Good. I hear people got real tired of pulling up all those Whitman signs.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)And so far I've seen exactly one Romney bumper sticker. There aren't a ton of Obama signs, either, but that may be because around here his victory is a given and people don't think it's necessary to put signs in their yards. The controversial issues here have to do with two proposed state, one to outlaw same sex marriage in the constitution (!) and the other to make voting more difficult. Lawn signs opposing those amendments are everywhere (including my own yard).
AwareOne
(404 posts)Romney signs are all over my lower middle class, blue collar working class neighborhood. Sometimes they will be in three or four lawns in a row. I have never seen so many and I'm wondering if they went door to door offering them for free. Outnumbering Obama signs like 30 to 1 here. I didn't realize I was surrounded by Republicans until now and I can't understand what these working class people think Romney is going to do for them.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)It's a sign of stupidity.
Robb
(39,665 posts)RedSpartan
(1,693 posts)it went from no Obama signs and no Romney signs to no Obama signs and about a dozen Romney signs. I live in the reddest county in NJ. The state is blue, but still...
2theleft
(1,136 posts)Not nearly as many for either candidate like there were in '08. The good news is, in the wealthier area of town, percentage wise, we are up. Suburban areas appears about the same percentage wise.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Not sure but the Obama campaign seems to hand out signs and campaign merchandise in a more controlled method. For donations or for district leaders. You request a sign rather than pass them out to everyone.
Republicans seem to let more of their party groups sell self created,campaign 'junk-quality' for resale profits. If you look at places like Amazon there are people selling sign packs for high prices, anyone can buy from a sign maker service for 10.00.
Would not be surprised if republicans use tax free campaign donations to wash through their own sign making company. Just like they use campaign funds to buy thousands of their own books.
I think the Republicans spend more $$ to mark the houses of those they work on for the early votes- with a sign. It's a way to make sure your ground hires are actually doing what they are paid for.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)But considering RI is safe for Obama, it doesn't matter much.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)and I'll tell ya... The Obama stickers and signs?? 5000 to 1. Seriously.
Oh and if you actually ASK people in the campaign, they are NOT wasting money on signs this time. They are putting it into ads and GOTV.
The romney people have the Koch money, and are handing out signs like crazy FREE. But if you look at the cars in the driveways, there are Obama stickers everywhere. Stop.. please stop.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)It's an observation, not an indictment.
spinbaby
(15,089 posts)I live in a fairly rural part of SW Pennsylvania and we are awash in Romney signs, although I notice that most of them are at public intersections rather than in yards. Obama signs are rare because they're hard to get hold of and get stolen. Even in neighborhoods that had a lot of Obama signs last time around, I'm not seeing any this year.
Iceberg Louie
(190 posts)Koch Brother$, Citizen$ United, Cro$$road$ GPS, $heldon Adel$on...
Might seem like an oversimplified response, but we know Rmoney doesn't have to apportion out a set amount for sign-printing in his budget. They probably have the resources to wallpaper the whole damn country.
In my very, very, very red city in red state ND, I have yet to see a single Romney sign. The closest I've seen is a rusty Chevy Citation with "Stop Obama" crudely painted on it.
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)The murderess lost by 12.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)SE
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)...there are plenty of Obama signs in PA. It's a large state, so some pockets might differ. Drive by Philly, you may feel better.
zach1845
(30 posts)upstate new york binghamton area its about 50/50
beac
(9,992 posts)LOTS of Romney signs but they were ALWAYS accompanied by Allen (GOP Senate candidate) signs and a sign for the local Congressional candidate. ALWAYS.
This makes me suspect the local GOP headquarters are giving away these sets free instead of asking for money for them. I saw these three-sets in the front yards of houses that I am pretty certain could not afford to spend $60 on yard signs.
I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP was going door-to-door and offering the signs to households that front on main thoroughfares.
The Obama signs I saw were varied in style (and some saved from '08). They sometimes had local or Senate/Congressional race signs along side, but that was infrequent.
I think the GOP has invested heavily in yards signs while Obama's team is working on a meaningful ground game.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)After the first debate, I watched neighbors put up a Romney sign. They took pictures of one another with their sign. Given their lower middle class status, I couldn't help thinking it was a sign of stupidity.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)But not one yard sign for either Presidential candidate.
BlueInPhilly
(870 posts)Actually, not a lot of signs in my neighborhood. I have one but I'm not displaying it, because mine was stolen (& later found burned) in 2008. I don't want my house to be the one on fire this year.
But there are no more political ads around here (except for some South NJ guy). A few Casey or Smith here & there, but I enjoy watching TV again.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)even in areas that used to display mostly repuke signs.
Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)...based on the bumper stickers I have seen in my area.
I have seen a lot more Obama stickers than Romney stickers, but there have barely been any signs for the past few weeks. The Obama signs are just starting to go up. I would say things are split evenly in my hood as far as signs go, which is representative of this area. It's a light blue county, but there are solid pockets of tea. I live in an area where the guy to the left of me is a liberal and the guy to the right is an Aryan redneck, ya know? Now, the Obama signs around here have been the typical small yard signs. There are two people who have put up big giant Romney signs. I look at that to mean the campaign has a small penis.
There are not as many campaign offices this time around, for either side. If I wanted to go to an office and pick something up, it would be a 30 minute drive. The one closest to me isn't even in a great area. The offices for both sides were closer and more convenient in 2008.
Also, I admit that I don't have my Obama bumper sticker on display because I do fear someone scratching my car. That has happened around here. The tea party types and the racists have gotten louder and more brazen in the last 4 years. It could be that way for other folks.
What does this all mean? Absolutely nothing.
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)First off, many, if not most signs are put on public property like along highways where anyone with a bit of free time can put up hundreds of signs. Such signs do not indicate support for a candidate by anyone. In my town signs on public property are prohibited, mainly due to the failure to take them down after the election, leaving the town a mess.
Signs on peoples' lawns may be a bit more indicative of the level of support but even then it depends on campaign funding. Some campaigns choose to spend money on things like TV ads in expensive markets rather than lawn signs. In NJ, for instance, you rarely see signs for gubernatorial elections because they count against the cap on campaign spending for each candidate and if they spent their money on signs they'd have nothing left to advertise on TV in perhaps the most expensive TV market in America. Now that might be different in an area with cheaper or nonavailable TV advertising capability so maybe in such areas signs might make more sense.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)I used to get nervous but just think how many Obama signs are getting stolen