Casualties of the Iraq War (children)

[tk2kewl]

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Casualties of the Iraq War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War


Iraqiyun estimate
55 percent of those killed were women, and children aged 12 and under

2004 Excess Mortality Study
The study did not attempt to measure how many of these were civilian, but the study's authors have said they believe that the "vast majority" were non-combatants, based on 7% of the casualties being women and 46% being children under the age of 15

Orphans
In December 2007, a member of Iraq's Anti-Corruption board is reported to have said there were five million orphans in Iraq – almost half of the country's children.[99][100] In March 2012, the Baghdad Provincial Council estimated, "the overall number of orphans across Iraq to be no more than 400,000," while a UN report from 2008 estimated the number to be around 870,000.[101] A large-scale survey of Iraqi households by UNICEF, published in 2012, estimated that between 800,000 and a million Iraqi children under 18 – or about five percent of Iraqi children – have lost one or both of their parents.[102][103]

Iraqi children suffering from psychological symptoms
Seventy percent of children are suffering from trauma-related symptoms according to a study of 10,000 primary school students in the Sha'ab section of north Baghdad, conducted by the Iraqi Society of Psychiatrists and the World Health Organization. "We're now finding an elevation of mental health disorders in children – emotional, conduct, peer, attention deficit", according to Iraqi psychiatrist Hashimi. "A number are even resulting in suicide."[168]

I provide this info to contrast Senator Hillary Clinton's Iraq war vote with her claim to be a defender of children

[TIME TO PANIC]

1. but, but that was in the past, why do you people still bring it up. (sarcasm)

[Mufaddal]

2. Let me explain why it's even worse than you might think

First of all, if the 2004 morality study is the famous Lancet study (there is a great This American Life episode on it), then it also found that the overwhelming majority of fatalities were the direct result of coalition forces.

Second of all, I lived in Iraq, where I did the latter half of my seminary studies.

Not only did I hear tragic stories of people who lost child relatives, not only did I see a country in ruins that will take multiple decades to just get back to Saddam-era quality of life, and not only did I speak with many youth suffering from traumatic stress (I remember one student telling me about how he sees his dead friend--whom he saw literally blown up--coming to him in his dreams), but the reality is that mental health treatment is just non-existent for most Iraqis. I have a professional background in clinical mental health work, which makes this even more distressing to me.

Not only is there a dearth of mental health practitioners outside of major metropolitan centers, even within them there is an overwhelming view among Iraqis (and this extends to much of the Middle East, among other places in the world) that receiving mental health treatment means you are actually insane or a crazy person. In other words, it's basically impossible to find mental health treatment, and even if you could, there is a massive stigma surrounding it.

The state of Iraq today, including ISIS, is not something that exists in an historical vacuum, contrary to what Secretary Clinton appears to believe. Thirty-three million Iraqis are still living and dying with the consequences of her Iraq war vote, and with the consequences of the policies of her husband's presidency for which she lobbied so intensively.

[tk2kewl]

3. thank you

in truth, i posted to counter some here who have been championing Hillary as a defender of children. I felt this need to be out there, but admittedly took the shortest route available to trusted information.

the business of estimating casualties is obviously extremely difficult. some estimates put the death toll well over one million. i hope some other DUers will continue to add to the thread.

[polly7]

4. Thank you from me, too. The people in Afghanistan are suffering similarly,

as well as Pakistan, Yemen and every other nation now the terror and killing has spread to. Afghanistan in particular also lacks mental health treatment - I once read there were something like 6? psychiatrists in the whole region? Children in these countries are afraid to leave their homes, their lives have been completely turned upside down. I try to imagine how they view the world, but really can't.

[MisterP]

14. neocons EXIST in a historical vacuum: rebellions only happen because a power-hungry Moscow

can pull the strings and send its gold across the globe; they even blamed the Iranian Revolution on the USSR (but they hate each other ...)

9-11 was an attack without motivations, and allowed only because we didn't pick a random dictatorship every 5 years and bomb it to show who's boss

[Matariki]

15. We illegally attacked a sovereign nation who did nothing to us

This is such a deeply, deeply shameful act. Putting a face on this should put in front of the American people over and over.

Any sensible person KNEW this before the war.

[LexVegas]

5. How many casualties of gun violence in the US? nt

[tk2kewl]

6. way too many.

thanks for the thread kick

[VulgarPoet]

9. I seem to remember Clinton calling the perpetrators "something something superpredators".

While simultaneously ignoring the fact that she has supported multiple interventions that destabilized multiple countries, wasted an innumerable amount of American troops, and caused a new terrorist outfit to spring out of that locale.

But thank you for your pointless attempt to change the subject.

[LexVegas]

10. So you blame all domestic gun violence on "something something superpredators"? nt

[VulgarPoet]

11. Hardly. I'm implying that not only is your attempt to threadjack honestly fuckin pathetic

but I find it hard to believe that your candidate cares. Racists don't change their stripes, as far as I'm concerned-- and I don't care if you want to spin that as Hillary misspeaking for the thousandth time, or if she's supposedly "evolved"-- I wouldn't trust her within a hundred feet of the White House.

[LexVegas]

12. So you think Hillary Clinton is a racist? nt

[polly7]

13. Please point out one case of her speaking up for all different ethnic groups in the

ME/Asia Pacific/NA. Does she even see them as anything but collateral damage? Seriously ........ when has she specifically spoken on the horrors they're living through in large part because of disastrous foreign policy decisions?

[VulgarPoet]

16. So much for all that SecState experience.

Seems it only served aiding the destruction of the Middle East.

[polly7]

19. The expendables ....

acceptable collateral damage, whatever one chooses to label them as. I haven't heard mention of them from her - there really seems to be no concern.

[VulgarPoet]

17. In my eyes, anyone who would imply black people are predators is just as racist as a klansman. n/t

[Matariki]

18. What in the world is your point?

That the hundreds of thousands of people's lives that were ruined and lost should be dismissed because gun violence in the US?

You are not thinking clearly. Nor was anyone who was responsible for that illegal war. Not the advocates, the criminal Bush administration, or anyone who voted for it. It was OBVIOUS that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 to anyone with a brain or a conscience.

Pedal your false equivalents elsewhere.

[VulgarPoet]

20. It's a lame attempt to threadjack. n/t

[Orsino]

7. This is what we vote for when we vote for war.

Whatever one hopes a war will prevent had better be a lot worse.

Going along to get along isn't leadership.

[tk2kewl]

8. and when hillary "goes along" she really "goes along"

[Matariki]

21. Before the Iraq War, I posted photos of Iraqi children around my city

Children playing, children with their families, happy and healthy.

These photos were accompanied by text reminding people that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and that these children would be some of the real casualties of the increasing beat of war drums.

I remember, shortly before the vote, a government agency report - I think it might have been from the FBI - proving that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and thought 'GOOD, just in time. Now Congress won't do anything stupid'. Right.

Everyone who voted for that was culpable. If there was any justice in the world they would all be in Iraq picking up the pieces of the broken lives they destroyed.

[tk2kewl]

22. it is unfathomable how cavalier so many are about war

[Wilms]

23. ^

[UglyGreed]

24. K/R