2016 Postmortem
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yes the democratic party is free to do what it wants, and "follow the rules.' Quite frankly I cannot wait for them to take that nice nuclear warhead into the convention hall and blow the party to smithereens if Sanders does win more primaries but they still decide to broker it in favor of Clinton. As a political reporter this is the kind of situation that will lead to hours of endless entertainment, and written pieces.
But I digress, as much fun as this situation will be for reporters that is... this will be a grave mistake. It will be the back to smoked filled rooms and the 1968 convention. I am willing to go on record and say that if the Democrats (there are rumors now that the Rs are willing to go there too), are the only ones to do this, they will lose the 2016 election. Quite simply, it is not that people do not understand how the rules work, just that people see them as unfair, corrupt and undemocratic. And I mean this with a small d to the word democratic.
So at this point, while you all discuss this... half of me is gong RELEASE THE KRAKEN... should be fun. The other half is going, uggh... not good for the country.
Though for those of you going, but Constitution.. this has butkus to do with any state or federal constitution and the USSC has actually ruled in the past in similar matters, and so have a but-load of state courts.
So as far as I am concerned, until the party goes there, this is a tempest in a cup, but if they go there... it will be 1968 all over again...
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Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)If they cheat on us. I can see if the races are close. But if we have a lot of 10-20 points ahead for Bernie, it's going to be a mess for sure.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Matters of life and death.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)to be honest.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Vincardog
(20,234 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)For the party and for the country that would be a disaster of epic proportions.
Hillary or Bernie must win a clear majority of the "regular" delegates. That person should be the nominee. No talk of "but the rules say" will be accepted by the losing side. The rules stink and shouldn't even be there--especially in a Democratic party.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but overriding the will of voters, will be a nice nuclear device in the hall of the convention. It will be not unlike 1968.
And assuming the other side does not do that (there are rumors), the Rs will win. People will sit out the election, and worst. They will sit out many elections.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)as if that wasn't disaster enough, the down ticket Democrats will take a big hit too.
Democrats should know by now what happens when they fail to turn out their entire base on election day.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)![](/emoticons/happy.gif)
Now imagine the possibilities for the system is corrupt, why participate crowd? And I know a few in the flesh.
BlueMTexpat
(15,391 posts)"going there." Since 1984, it never has. It will not "go there" in 2016.
So, I'm with you about the tempest in a teacup. But the constant wailing and gnashing of teeth about Super Ds is quite wearing.
Chichiri
(4,667 posts)Barring a personal catastrophe that leaves Bernie the only one standing, Hillary is going to win the pledged delegates. And it's not going to be close.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)As I said, political reporters are salivating at the self destruction of the party.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Petition by Ilya Sheyman
To be delivered to The Democratic superdelegates
The race for the Democratic Party nomination should be decided by who gets the most votes, and not who has the most support from party insiders.
That's why we're calling on all the Democratic superdelegates to pledge to back the will of the voters at the Democratic Party convention in Philadelphia.
There are currently 164,096 signatures. NEW goal - We need 175,000 signatures!
PETITION BACKGROUND Bernie won New Hampshire. And by a hair, Hillary won Iowa. In other words, there's a long Democratic primary ahead, possibly fought all the way to the convention.
But there's a problem: There are 712 superdelegatesmade up of Democratic elected officials and other prominent party leaderswho have the power to tip the scales, potentially shifting the vote at the convention to whomever they choose. This process is undemocratic and fundamentally unfair to Democratic primary voters.
In 2008, when the primary looked like it could boil down to superdelegates, MoveOn launched a similar campaign calling on the superdelegates to hold off making their decisions until the voters had spoken.
Now, as we face a similarly contested primary, it's critical that we speak out again for the integrity of our voting process. Democracy only works when the votes of the peoplenot the decision of a small number of elitesare what determines the outcome of elections.
Sign the Petition: http://pac.petitions.moveon.org/sign/tell-the-democratic-superdel?source=none&fb_test=0