Superdelegates Won’t Save Hillary Clinton From Bernie Sanders - WaPo

[WillyT]

Superdelegates won’t save Hillary Clinton from Bernie Sanders
Chris Cillizza - WaPo
February 18 at 3:40 PM

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Could Sanders trajectory in Nevada -- way behind all the way to tied with Clinton -- be replicated elsewhere? Sure. But to truly make a run at Clinton, Sanders needs to win large chunks of support in the Hispanic and black community, which polling up to this point suggests will be a long, hard slog for him.

But, let's say it happens that among delegates allocated by actual votes Sanders and Clinton are neck and neck at the end of primary season. I don't think at that point that Clinton's massive superdelegate margin will matter for much of anything. Can you imagine the message the Democratic Party would be sending if it puts down the challenge of a liberal outsider via elected officials and other graybeards of the party? The superdelegates are exactly the sort of people that Sanders has positioned his campaign in opposition to -- the aristocrat class of the party, who for decades have offered a half loaf when people like Sanders have demanded a whole one.

Imagine the outrage on the liberal left if Sanders got up at in June and said some version of the following: "All 50 states have voted, and Secretary Clinton and I are in a virtual dead heat when it comes to delegates allocated by primaries and caucuses. The only way Secretary Clinton winds up as the nominee is if these unelected so called "superdelegates" are included in the mix. But, this is the Democratic Party. And these people don't represent anyone or anything other than the corrupt access class who have sold out to Republicans and Wall Street time and time again over the years."

Sanders's supporters would be ready to man their battle stations at the Democratic National Convention rather than capitulate to everything they detest about the Democratic Party. Could Clinton and her allies simply push through and secure the nomination via her superdelegate support? Sure. But, that would risk both the possibility of a very public revolt from the Bernie forces at the convention and the absence of those voters come Nov. 8. The Clinton people seem to know that; "Our campaign strategy is to build a lead with pledged delegates," Clinton spokesman Jesse Ferguson told the AP.

Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/18/superdelegates-wont-save-hillary-clinton-from-bernie-sanders/

[restorefreedom]

1. good find, willyt!!

i heard one remark today that they plan to "see how it goes". in other words, they are already looking for thr back door to save their own butts.

[WillyT]

3. Thanks !!! - I Think I'll Join You...

[restorefreedom]

5. excellent.we will have to stay well supplied lol.

and perhaps a beverage to wash it down,.

[WillyT]

6. Oh, Absolutely !!!

[jillan]

2. I'm grabbing my popcorn for this fight. Because if Hillary wins because of superdelegates,

they will finally figure out the definition of a political revolution.

[WillyT]

8. ^^^ Join Us, Won't You ??? ^^^

[KingCharlemagne]

9. Thread winner - nt

[Ferd Berfel]

12. and the definition of political suicide

[hifiguy]

14. There will be a revolution

and it will not pretty, but the DINOs are so addicted to that precious corporate cash they will do anything to keep getting their fix. They will fight like rabid weasels jammed into a too-small cage to feed their jones.

[Volaris]

17. That ain't no lie.

[TheProgressive]

4. If the super delegates improperly 'pick' Clinton, I see a new party being formed...

A very strong real democratic party that is for the people and not the establishment...

[comradebillyboy]

7. They won't need to

[lasttrip]

10. Thanks for the post WillyT.

Peace.
LT

[WillyT]

11. You Are Quite Welcome...

[A Simple Game]

13. If she needs to force the pledged super delegates to put her over the top, she will not

hesitate to do so, consequences be damned. She will not be denied the nomination a second time!

I can see the Republican ads already; "Can you expect Hillary to treat you any better than she treated Bernie?"

[hifiguy]

15. And she will get beaten like a gong in the general.

Even if she isn't indicted. Make book on it. She's the one determined to sink the party unless she gets her way, not Bernie.

[A Simple Game]

21. I don't think Hillary can win in the general even if she wins the nomination honestly. n/t

[debunction.junction]

16. My thoughts exactly. They could care less about appearances.

It's win at all costs. As Rahm Emanuel said, "Where else they going to go?"

Question: What do think would happen in a three way race between Hillary, Trump and Bernie? Is it time for a third party. Obviously the two party system has failed the average American citizen.

[Volaris]

18. We don't know that YET.

It's why Bernie is running. To see if he can save the system from its own worst excesses.

[OxQQme]

19. It seems to have already become a three party

without even saying so. DemSocs/Dems/Morans.

Multiple millions leaning towards Bernie's message makes my 75 year old brain GRIN

[CanadaexPat]

27. I think the Rep Party will split, which will make Bloomberg enter the general, which will cause one

or the other faction in the Dem Party to consider splitting also. Things are just that weird and that even and that gridlocked, with no group happy about how they are faring, that free-for-all might be the only way out.

[A Simple Game]

20. I have thought for a while now that Bernie probably should have run as an Independent.

I think he would have been a lock to win the Presidency already.

If Bernie doesn't win the nomination, even honestly, the Democratic party will be severely wounded and will see a vast decline in membership. Yes it is well past time for a third and perhaps more parties, we need to go to a coalition type system.

[debunction.junction]

22. I agree. In a world where the media was neutral and gave each candidate equal time...

If the American people actually had a chance to hear the message, Bernie would win, hands down. Can you imagine a series of presidential debates with Hillary, Trump and Bernie? Most people couldn't give a damn about the Democratic Party today, to them (and I hear this all the time), it does not matter, they're all the same. In comes Bernie. Bernie would draw his support from all sides, Democrats, Republicans and Independents.

From the first time I heard Bernie Sanders on Thom Hartman's "Brunch With Bernie" over ten years ago I knew this was someone I could support for President. Noone else would have the balls to do that without sticking their finder in the air to see how the wind was blowing. There is nothing calculated about Bernie. He says what he means and means what he says.

[A Simple Game]

25. "He says what he means and means what he says." Exactly.

And that just so happens to be what the vast majority of the American people agree with.

But yes, the media. But between the media and Hillary they can still only slow down his progress.

[Ikonoklast]

23. If Hillary Clinton gets appointed the nomination by superdelegates beholden to the party and not

the membership, then they will no longer need me as a Democrat.

If my vote is meaningless and the fix is in at the highest levels, I will find a political party that isn't run like a secret club for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many.

[amborin]

24. K&R

[Bleacher Creature]

26. She won't need "saving."

It's going to be a very different conversation here in 10 days.

[Fumesucker]

28. Getting the superdelegates to vote for Bernie is going to be like giving a cat a pill it hates

[in_cog_ni_to]

29. OOOOOOH, that's putting it mildly.

Sanders's supporters would be ready to man their battle stations at the Democratic National Convention rather than capitulate to everything they detest about the Democratic Party

They will have a revolt like none other and they can kiss the so-called "Democratic" party goodbye. They have been put on notice, so I'm sure they're busy supplying ammunition to all their MILITARIZED POLICE DEPARTMENTS.

We're not taking an election theft lying down like Gore did!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[WillyT]

30. Exactly... Ironic That A Revolution Might Be Produced In Philadelphia...

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. Yes, isn't it? Bernie wanted a "political" revolution and TPTB are looking for the real deal, in

Philadelphia, no less.

They're biting off more than they can chew here. They better be careful.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[m-lekktor]

31. !!!!

[madokie]

32. If hill wins by super delegates

I see a big push to write in Sanders in the General.

I'm sick of the status quo, big money running things.

I'm not sure how that will work out but who knows anything is possible if she does do this

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. She WILL NOT get away with stealing the election. n/t

[WillyT]

35. Morning Kick !!!