2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumoh08dem
(339 posts)if she becomes president and there's a situation in a place like, oh let's say Iran.
6chars
(3,967 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)still_one
(92,190 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I was being ironic, using a phrase "hard working white people" that Hillary used while attacking Obama to point out that she was in fact attacking Obama.
Saying things that have been said a brazillion times the same way over and over is stultifying and I like to break up my commentary with a little snark or irony.
sheshe2
(83,764 posts)riversedge
(70,218 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)you do realize that means circumventing the actual rank and file right? How'll that translate in the GE?
...and their supporters don't care about that fact.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Someone in the Hillary group posted that earlier, you may want to check in your group.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Her Campaign staff sure does:
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)if you ask me... probably more telling that you would dismiss it out of hand don't ya think.. Relevant extra because she is now counting on the same voting block POC that she was marginalizing and criticizing just 7 years ago... reminder ..the last time she ran for Prez.... wait wait what's that sound ... is it a 3am phone call..... she's toast
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)pengu
(462 posts)but Clinton is still Clinton.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)don't think we will remind them about her race baiting in 2008 race... lmfao
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Hillary's dropping, Bernie's rising and the 2 have met at 45% each as of Feb. 12th! Who's got the
momentum? Bernie, as per usual!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280117500
PLUS! Checking out article headlines on Huffington Post's "Breaking News & Opinions" page:
The Movement Has Found Its Leader: Bernie Sanders
Here Comes Another Superdelegate Crisis
The bigger problem for Clinton is simply the fact that this isn't how this primary was supposed to go! And yet, after two contests Clinton's team is revealing a deep concern for the road ahead. Nevertheless, pointing to the way those party elites who enjoy voting privileges favor her over Sanders is not a move her campaign advisers should even be countenancing at this point. The basic argument of her candidacy is that the institutions that govern our lives do not need to be torn down, root and branch. For this reason, she shouldn't be telling voters that the system isn't really rigged against them while simultaneously telling her donors, "Don't worry, the Democratic primary is rigged in my favor." But for whatever reason, that's where we are right now.
Hillary Clinton's Disastrous Foreign Policy Record
Hillary Clinton is the Ultimate "NO" Woman
Hillary Clinton Sugarcoating Her Disastrous Record
Madeleine Albright Apologizes For Implying Female Bernie Sanders Supporters Will Go To Hell
The Tragedy of Hillary Clinton (and Her Generation)
The Clintons are insiders now, their personal wealth of over $50 million derived nearly entirely from the wealthy and powerful. And it shows. Hillary's gradualism in health care carefully protects health-related industries. Her proposals for financial regulation do not include putting executives in jail, or confiscating the wealth they obtained by theft.
Americans Are Sick of The Tough On Crime Era
Hillarys Stance On Immigration Could Become A Vulnerability
In conclusion, gentle readers, Hillary's got a lot of splainin', i.e. evolvin' to do!
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)when she attacks her opponents?
Bernie's campaign rests on a series of attacks on Hillary and yet nobody calls him desperate.
Politicians who run against each other attack each other. It's the nature of the game.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Battle away on policy. That's what campaigns are for.
Clinton doesn't just stick to policy. That is what makes her appear desperate. Usually, when politicians leave policy in their attacks - Obama might be from Kenya, this Sanders photo isn't Sanders, etc. - that indicates desperation.
"Hillary is a liar," "Hillary is a shill for Wall Street," "Hillary is a warmonger" are all POLICY differences.
Sorry, but not. Bernie himself seldom says all of that outright, but his campaign and his followers sure do, and he benefits from that.
On policy details he cannot compete with Hillary. His entire campaign seems to rest on lofty ideals (with insufficient details), and constant twisting and smearing of Hillary and her record.
But if she fights back she is "desperate."
Got it.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)She has supported many policies that boost Wall Street.
On Warmonger, she voted for the Iraq war, was the major proponent of intervention in Libya, and has called for a no-fly-zone and ground troops in Syria.
Those are all policy. Whether or not you put nice phrasing on it.
"Liar" is fuzzier. "Has told a lot of lies" is her documented history - sniper fire, kicking off the birther movement, etc. "Liar" would make it an attribute of her instead of what she has done.
Ok, give me the utterly critical detail of how Clinton will expand the ACA, when any expansion requires Congress. 'Cause she doesn't.
Or how about, what are the policy details of her social justice platform? You know, the one she was supposed to announce months ago.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)30 - 40 point lead in Nevada.. now tied.. plus she never gains in the Polls..never.... so I am pretty sure there's some desperation inside her inner circle
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)just not inclined to assign emotions to candidates based on my subjective opinion.
I'm sure the Hillary campaign is somewhat concerned going forward, but they've know for quite some time that Iowa would be tight and NH a loss. They know that the states that are still to vote, are looking better for Hillary.
So I don't see any reasons to assign a pathetic little adjective like "desperate" to her or her campaign. That is just something Bernie supporters do in yet another sad attempt to show their contempt for Hillary Clinton.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)in the OP.. we think that desperation is creeping in to the campaign... don't read too much into it..but you are certainly as entitled to your opinion as we are to ours
May the only Progressive in the race win... feelin the Bern