Delegate Count

[angrychair]

Some talking head on CNN stating that Sanders getting even or close won't be good enough as Clinton's Super Delegates will still be enough to put her over the mark.

Now, the specific delegate math aside, do any of you think that Democratic Party leaders would use their vote as pledged Super Delegates for Clinton to tilt the election to Clinton's favor despite common Democratic voters otherwise putting Sanders even or slightly ahead?

I just don't see it. I think that would cause the Party to implode and there is no way Clinton gets the support she would need to win the GE.

[TheBlackAdder]

1. Nothing questions "Political Legitimacy" like Tea Party & Grover Norquist style "Loyalty Pledges."

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Sure, she has super delegates, but if they go too far away from popular support, it reinforces a rigged system.

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[jfern]

3. Bernie won the pledged NH delegates 15-9

The superdelegates will eventually see the writing on the wall.

[mwooldri]

5. There's this phrase you'll hear on parts of the London Underground.

"Mind the gap".

In this case it's the enthusiasm gap. Bernie has been filling stadiums well before Iowa. Hillary has not managed this yet.

Vote for Hillary I would... but being an enthusiastic volunteer for her.... well here's another London Underground phrase.... "Stand clear of the doors please..." as I close the door on that opportunity. My wife leans Democratic, is officially "unaffiliated", and she won't vote for Hillary.

Bernie is no Barack. However the reasons why I sided with Obama over Hillary are unchanged and Obama defined it as thus: Hope and change. Obama and Sanders inspire both in me. Clinton does not. I believe Clinton would preserve the Obama legacy but I think Sanders would kick it up a notch.

You want an ultra leftist politician? Look over the pond to Jeremy Corbyn, the new Labour leader. I think his election has resulted in a Tory victory in 2020. To me, Bernie is definitely much more mainstream than many people give him credit for.

[marble falls]

7. You're gleeful because Bernie won the vote by over 20% and Hillary took the most delegates ....

"politics as usual" - grabbing "super-delegates" in the background game that no one even knows about, let alone understands. Are people really proud she can game the system and violate the will of the people? Sounds like folks in another party: you don't need be elected, you just need to win.

[HooptieWagon]

4. No, I don't think it will happen. The superdelegates will fall in line with the pledged delegates.

As you say, if the superdelegates overturn the will of the voters, it will be a civil war. No Sanders supporter will vote for Clinton, or down ticket Dems. It will be a bloodbath in Nov. Most of the superdelegates are elected office holders. They are the ones in those down ticket races. Are they going to sabotage their own chances of reelection by driving away half of the Democratic Party? It's doubtfull. They will hold their noses and nominate Sanders in order to preserve at least the down ticket races and their own skins. If not, they are implementing a scorched earth tactic that will destroy the Democratic Party.

[DemocraticSocialist8]

6. I agree. If they did that the Democratic Party would implode. No way they think they'd win in the GE

It would be completely suicidal on the Democrats part and would effectively hand the country over to the fascist right-wing. They'd lose ALL support and they'd be blamed for whatever happened next. We'd lose the Supreme Court entirely. Any hope to change the lives of Americans would plummet. This might be our last chance folks. I don't want to be an alarmist, but the right-wing has officially gone off the deep end.

[firebrand80]

8. Not a chance

The superdelegates have a vested interest in not tearing the party apart.

[morningfog]

9. Just ask yourself how may super delegates Hillary got at the '08 convention.

Super delegates are irrelevant for the delegate count. They are just endorsements.