Hillary supporters have resorted to insulting young people.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

How long before they turn on minorities and women? This is really pathetic and sad.


If Hillary wins the nomination millennials are going to stay home and it's going to be nobody's fault but Hillary and her supporters.

[onehandle]

1. IT'S A CONSPIRACY! nt

[ForgoTheConsequence]

4. Not a conspiracy, it's just tasteless.

Young people need to be the core of our movement.

[Fuddnik]

7. And stoopid to boot.

[workinclasszero]

41. Yup....say no more

[earthside]

47. It's not a conspiracy.

It is some kind of reactionary tactic.

DU has been full of these insults to young people today from Hillarians.

Of course, there were the insults that were hurled over the weekend.

And then, here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511184052

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511178084

[AgingAmerican]

107. It's stupid

Most likely coming from her campaign.

[Xipe Totec]

2. I am verklempt! nt

[Agschmid]

3. Facts? None.

Context? None.

People on both sides feel insulted, it's a primary.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

5. Here's your context.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1184052

[Agschmid]

10. So you are insulted by some random person on the Internet?

Been on Instagram lately? Been on Snap? Been on Twitter?

It's rough out there, and half the people are trolls.

Get through it.

[Bluenorthwest]

59. I see much, much criticism of 'Sanders supporters on Twitter' around here actually.

In addition, that nasty DU thread is virtually devoid of Hillary supporters objecting to the point of view the OP expresses.
So I guess it's the old double standard thing. Hillary supporters get to go insane about what is said on Twitter but also dismiss it when that works better. It's the bread buttered on both sides syndrome.

[Agschmid]

61. No it's not a double standard at all...

Some of us just don't feed the...

Well you know.

[rock]

14. I know Sanders supporters may find this insulting

(as they are pretty thin-skinned) but hill2016 makes a reasonable point.

[Odin2005]

30. I am 29 years old and I HAVE BEEN PAYING BILLS FOR OVER A DECADE.

Did you come out of a time warp from 2000 and think we are all still children?

[LondonReign2]

110. These people are so clueless they don't understand

that the YOUNGEST Millennial are ADULTS now. They have no clue that Gen Y is not Gen Z.

[JonLeibowitz]

54. hill2016 has no point as there was no data whatsoever, just his/her personal feelings.

[beam me up scottie]

58. Liberals should find that insulting.

[noiretextatique]

102. It is not reasonable, because it is not true

It is a stereotype, nothing more, designed to dismiss a segment of the population the poster disagrees with.

[reformist2]

6. They're lashing out. They can't admit anything wrong with the candidate, so they blame the voters.

If the HRC campaign wants to go that route, fine by me. It's what they really think, a rare note of honesty from them.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

8. Yep.

Just like the PUMA racism against Obama. The more desperate they get the more their true colors start to emerge. It's WASP entitlement.

[Cheese Sandwich]

11. LOL That should be an OP

Why are they lashing out?

Or a 5000 word think piece in the Atlantic.

What is driving Hillary supporters to lash out a younger voters. Collect all the examples and analyze the crap out of it. There is plenty of material for it.

[Maedhros]

20. They are lashing out because their message is old, stale and hollow.

They can't reach undecided voters with their warmed-over Third Way pablum, so I guess they're trying to shame people into voting for her?

[noiretextatique]

103. +1000 they are out in full force doing damage control

I read two articles by "concerned" centrists about Sanders' unelectability this morning classic clintonism.

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. It's a deeply shitty strategy and it won't serve them well

Pretty nauseated by it.

[pinebox]

12. Thank you!

[Hell Hath No Fury]

16. That's what I do not get.

Putting my Bernie Hat totally aside here, how on earth did the campaign think that could be a good idea? I have to say I have been pretty floored by some of what I have been reading and seeing from surrogates -- the whole strategy just comes off BAD. When your numbers are not great with a particular demographic, insulting them usually isn't the way you bring them on board. I'm just left shaking my head...

[bettyellen]

53. I agree- but I kind of expected we would eventually hear the RW talking points against Sanders

here .....and here they finally come. I hate when people take the bait! UGH.

[LondonReign2]

111. Eventually? They had their "Bernie is a racist" talking point out there before

he even officially announced! Just like 2008, Clinton is running a campaign Rove would be proud of. Well, I take that back, Rove was much smarter and effective in getting his candidates elected.

[bettyellen]

117. Nope, you should know that the RW talking points will be: Taxes, Socialism, Foreign Policy

People complained Bernie said nothing about POC or social justice in his stump speeches or his website- except Mike Brown would be alive if he was going to college. Sander betrayed the fact that he knew NOTHING about Mike Browns life. He knew NOTHING about men going to jail in Ferguson because they could not pay tickets.

Sorry if that embarrassed your candidate when people called him out on his ignorance. But they did not call him racist. He was not saying enough and was a big enough person to admit it.
Sad you cannot accept that truth.

[LondonReign2]

118. It would have been embarrassing if it were true

Thankfully is was only made up bullshit floated by Camp Weathervane in a preemptive strike hoping to quash anything that could get in the way of the coronation.

[bettyellen]

119. All easily searchable. Bernie had not one word about POC until after the BLM

incident. Not a word on his site- and only that one foolish mention of Mike Brown.
He did better- so should you.

[cosmicone]

13. I have sliced camembert, brie and shropshire

as a perfect pairing.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

17. Better hold on to it.

Just in case young people stay home in November.

[Bluenorthwest]

62. How do three cheeses comprise a pair?

nt

[cosmicone]

63. They all pair with one wine

usually a 1967 bordeaux or a 1973 Margeaux.

[Bluenorthwest]

71. But for the pairing to include the wine the wine has to be mentioned.

Without mention of the wine the cheeses are not a pairing. That's the point. Mention the wine or the cheese stands alone.

[DemocraticWing]

109. I have some nice pepper jack

But I'm just a poor, young Bernie supporter who can't afford the good stuff like wealthy Hillary supporters.

[Snotcicles]

15. I want to say something to the Young Men and Women who are getting active in the primary process.

I am so so proud of you. You give me hope.

[99th_Monkey]

18. Not to mention insulting ALL voters' intelligence with the inane & baseless smears.

The "big Martha's Vineyard scandal" where Bernie's attacked for attending an annual
up-scale fund-raiser to help elect Democratic candidates for US Senate ...

The nonsensical "BernieBro" smear, conjured up from some Hillary shills having their
"feelings hurt"' in online chat rooms, all the while pretending that Hillarians would NEVER
EVER say anything insulting, ugly or untrue about Bernie.

What did I miss?

[bvf]

19. Young women in particular, but point taken.

How long before they turn on minorities and women?

Arguably, they're already working on that.

[Bread and Circus]

21. she already did... she called black people lazy in 2008

[m-lekktor]

44. yet they adore her! nt

[VulgarPoet]

67. Not all of us, that's for goddamn sure.

eom

[m-lekktor]

74. Anectdotally not my AA friends either.

The only friends I have who support her are older well off low info white gay guys! lol

[VulgarPoet]

88. No doubt thanks to the Human Rights Campaign.

But apparently they seem to be the ineffable arbiter of who is best for LGBT voters

[m-lekktor]

89. heh

I saw a comment from an activist woman on facebook who claimed she worked closely with Human Rights Campaign and said the leaders were horrible and that if the GOP wasn't so homophobic the Human Rights Campaign leaders would probably all vote republican. Seriously though, the only time I see my Hillary supporting friends talk about politics on facebook is when it is about gay marriage or gays in the military. nothing about foreign policy or any of the other issues.

[VulgarPoet]

90. Meanwhile, I'm military and pansexual (though some would argue that I don't exist)

and have nothing but utter contempt for Hillary's record. I wouldn't fight for her. Not because of her race, not because of her gender. But because I can't trust that fighting for her would be fighting in defense of our Constitution.

[m-lekktor]

91. I am gay, was in the navy 10 years during "don't ask don't tell"

and I loathe both Clintons as much as I do any republican.

[VulgarPoet]

94. Oh christ, you have my sincerest condolences.

I sincerely hope you made it out (mostly) unscathed. I've only heard of a couple cases that really did

[noiretextatique]

104. This black person does not adore her

Or her husband.

[m-lekktor]

105. Oh i know you don't. i always read your posts.

I shouldn't have posted that comment, it was impulsive and kind of assholish. like i said, anecdotally, my AA friends don't support her either, just older white well off low info (politics wise) gay guys.

[beam me up scottie]

22. When will Hillary tell her supporters to stop attacking young people, especially women?

I'm waiting to see if any of them call their associates out but so far I haven't seen it.

[mhatrw]

25. I know. The blatant sexism and condescension of the Hillsisses is quite disturbing.

Her supporters are really making her look bad.

[beam me up scottie]

26. Edited, I misunderstood.

Last edited Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:23 PM - Edit history (1)

My apologies.

[mhatrw]

32. It says Hillsisses. As in multiple sisters. nt

[beam me up scottie]

36. Okay, my bad but I still don't like gender based name calling - like "Berniebros".

I don't blame people for lashing out though.

[mhatrw]

55. I don't either. It was a weak attempt to mock the "Berniebros" label.

I guess it went over like a Lead Zeppelin.

[beam me up scottie]

56. Oops! Sorry!

It's hard to tell here sometimes.

[Jenny_92808]

72. It appears to me that it is just a comeback regarding

Hillary base calling Bernie guys bro's

thus the comeback calling Hillary gals sis's

[beam me up scottie]

73. I misread it, my bad. I did the same thing when I used "Hillarybrahs" tongue in cheek.

It illustrates how sexist "Berniebros is. No one likes gender based slurs.

[Jenny_92808]

76. I read back and see you get it now.

I agree, there should be no slurs

[beam me up scottie]

77. No you're right, I should have edited, fixed now!

Thanks!

[Jenny_92808]

82. I like you and enjoy reading your posts.

Great name (I have been a Star Trek fan since the 60's). We are in the silly season of politics and sometimes, I just want to do this -

[beam me up scottie]

83. And I like the cut of your jib too!

Yes, keeping our sense of humour and perspective is the only way to survive the silly season.

[arcane1]

29. "Hillary has lost control over her supporters" and is thus ineligible for president.

Or something

[beam me up scottie]

31. There you go!

[mhatrw]

23. "GET OFF MY TURN!"

[jillan]

24. Wait - they already turned on women! Insulting women for not supporting the woman candidate.

So classy!!

[regnaD kciN]

27. This is a surprise to who?

[Odin2005]

28. If Clinton is the nominee the party will self-destruct.

And the blame will be entirely on Clinton and her supporters shitting on Millennials.

[arcane1]

34. But the "official" blame will go to the "fucking r*tards" of the "professional left" once again.

[VulgarPoet]

33. This is news?

It's a story more ancient than the Ark landing on Mount Ararat. The elders piss on the younger, and it's just one great big vicious cycle of pissing-- except this time, we brought umbrellas and rain gear.

[R B Garr]

35. REALITY: Bernie himself had to warn his supporters

to stop the divisiveness. Its gone on for months, and Bernie had to step in. How sad.

[Odin2005]

37. Gee, funny how it is always the REAL PROGRESSIVE who is called "divisive".

"Divisiveness" is an Establishment euphemism for attacking the Corporatist gravy train.

[R B Garr]

43. Whats REAL is that Bernie had to step in because of the

widespread abuse. Sad.

[artislife]

112. What is sad is that h won't. nt

[R B Garr]

113. More phony narrative. This whole phony attack on

her supporters here is what is really happening by the same internet harassers that Bernie himself has asked to stop.

Madeleine Albrights's comment was a tongue-in-cheek comment that is even on a coffee cup, it's that benign and commonplace. It's just being used as phony leverage to even some scores and exploit a passing comment to badger people for petty reasons and boost Bernie.

The portion of Gloria Steinem's comment that the same phony Clinton harassers are exploiting was about Berniebros. Berniebros is a MEDIA invention and is used in national media at this point. The rest of Steinam's comments were spot on: more young women are feminists than at her age, woman graduating in debt, women make less money over their lifetime, ETC.

So quit the phony exploitation of some passing comments that have since been dealt with. The exploitation of these comments is coming from Bernie supporters for some cheap potshots. Now a BS supporter here made up a slur, Clintonbrahs, which is only meant to attack people here. Berniebros was coined by the MEDA, not by someone here to attack other posters. That"s the exact harassment Bernie himself had told you he doesn't want in his name, so GET REAL.

[artislife]

115. BS.

[R B Garr]

121. LMAO! More PHONINESS. I knew it.

Last edited Wed Feb 10, 2016, 03:36 PM - Edit history (1)

You told me months ago you were putting me on Ignore because, your words, I was "low caliber", you being so superior, LMAO!

You have openly mocked female Clinton supporters because of their age, so sorry if I don't take your comments or BMus's comments about sexism seriously. Too funny!

[artislife]

122. I did put you on ignore.

Then I decided to undo a load of h supporters. You didn't have a fly swatter so you came back in.

You are pretty low caliber. Off you go again.

[R B Garr]

123. Seriously... HILARIOUS! And phony!

Of course, I can't say what I think of you or it will get hidden, yet your nasty comments about age are allowed to stand. Typical!

And, yeah, your phoniness about sexism is as low-caliber as it gets as well. You had nothing to say but a petty personal insult in response to me. Just look -- you spent more time insulting me than in a response to my post. Phony!

Do put me on Ignore. Not interested in the phony superiority. And do read what Bernie himself has said about his online supporters harassing people. You are in need of hearing his message, although it may be too late.

[beam me up scottie]

38. When will Hillary step in to stop the sexism from her supporters?

She should have done it already, why hasn't she?

[R B Garr]

39. Calling people names was also what Bernie referred to.

You should read.

[beam me up scottie]

42. You mean like "Berniebros"? That is sexist, you guys should really stop.

[R B Garr]

45. If you read, you would know better.

Calling people "Clintonbrahs" as payback is your own personal slur.

[beam me up scottie]

46. That was used to illustrate how sexist "Berniebros" is but I see it went over your head.

Since you admit they're both sexist, when are you going to stop using "Berniebros"?

[R B Garr]

57. Love your new passive voice writing...

"that was used" equals "mistakes were made".

You are just trying to cover up.your payback self-made slur of "clintonbrahs". Berniebros is a print media origin and now national media uses it. Even Bernie has noted it. Talk about things going over your head...

[beam me up scottie]

60. And it still went over your head! Lol! When will you stop using the sexist term "Berniebros"?

You bristled when the reverse was used on you (Hillary-brahs) yet you still don't see the hypocrisy.

Maybe you're not an it-getter?

And claiming the 'media does it too!' is no excuse since they're known for their sexist double standards when it comes to women.

[R B Garr]

65. It wasn't the reverse. LOL.

It simply wasn't the reverse. One is a media creation. The other you created.



You couched your self-made slur in your "concern" about sexism. More phoniness.

The national media uses Berniebro. Bernie has called out their nasty behavior. You made up Clintonbrahs as payback. If I did that, I would get hidden. Must be nice! You should read what Sanders said about divisiveness.

[beam me up scottie]

69. It's exactly the same: Berniebros = Hillarybrahs.

I could type it again for you but somehow I still don't think it'll click.

Better luck next time!

[R B Garr]

92. You are not the media. LOL

Berniebros was MEDIA created based on universally observed hostility to anyone not immediately enamored with him

You made up the other one.

They are not the same

[beam me up scottie]

93. Look out there it goes ag... WHOOOOOOOOOSH!

Whoops! Ya missed it again.

[R B Garr]

95. What is WHOOOSH is you putting yourself on par

with the media. Your slur is self-made. You are not the media.

What's more.WHOOOSH is that your slur is supposed to be about shaming others about sexism. Yet no one here made up Berniebro. The MEDIA did that. Now the national media uses it. Its a real thing.

[beam me up scottie]

96. D'oh! Still not an it-getter.

Awww, you're trying so hard too. Keep working on it, maybe it'll come to you.

[R B Garr]

97. What's obvious is you are trying to malign people

here for something the MEDIA created.

You creating a slur is NOT the same as the media creating it. How ridiculous.

[beam me up scottie]

98. Here, I'll type it one more time for you: Bernie + bros = Hillary + brahs

Both are gender based slurs, the media and how you personally feel about it are completely irrelevant.

Now I'll let you work on that while I go celebrate with my friends, if it comes to you let me know.

Or not - I really couldn't care less honestly.

[R B Garr]

100. Hilarious! Your slur was made up by you to attack

people here. Berniebro was NOT made up here to attack people, and it's still widely used by print media, cable and national news. You just tried to throw sexism in to even some scores and make your attack seem legitimate when it wasn't.

So, NO, your made up slur is not the same as what the media uses. It's laughable you would even claim that.

And it figures you would add yet more divisive comments about celebrating. You should read what Bernie himself has said about telling his supporters to quit harassing people.

[Tarc]

40. Be careful, Camp Sanders doesn't like to be reminded of this!

I admire Bernie for identifying the problem and addressing it, even though some of his supporters do not seem to like that.

[R B Garr]

48. Agreed! Thanks for the reminder.

They get do upset that they create their own sexist slurs in retaliation. LOL. Yet reality is that Bernie had to get involved to stop it in his name.

Good reminder.

[NCTraveler]

49. What was said? Did someone ask if they were suffering from Stockholm? Nt

[Bluenorthwest]

68. Many Bernie supporters including myself objected to that thread, as you know but will never

mention. I find that to be rude, Hillary supporters leave out that that OP was addressed to LGBT and African Americans and they leave out that many Bernie supporters gave the OP a full dressing down. You are again bringing it up here as if that OP applies to all Bernie supporters when many objected to that OP, not seeing Hillary supporters objecting to the one that trashes the younger voters.
So hypocritical. And so typical. In so many specifically infuriating ways.

[NCTraveler]

78. I am happy you opposed it.

Not sure why that is considered credit worthy on a progressive board. I'm not sure what your connection between younger voters and minorities is. I have no clue how you find blatant racism, which we both agree that was, with jabs at younger voters. Once again, I'm glad you spoke out against that highly recommended op.

[m-lekktor]

75. you should know, you "liked" the thread! nt

[NCTraveler]

80. Link? What thread? Nt.

[Joe the Revelator]

50. What happens if you win a nomination and end up with no supporters?

[PonyUp]

52. You lose. n/t

[PonyUp]

51. It's called desperation. The Clinton camp is all over the place trying everything.

Throwing kitchen sinks every direction. They are feeling a repeat of 2008 and don't know what to do about it. They think their staff is the problem, when it's their 'any way the wind blows' candidate. It's like someone said earlier: "It's not the mechanics, it's the car".

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. I am waiting for the campaign to do it isself

like oh 2008

[Meshuga]

66. The Clinton Campaign/supporters alienate millennials...

...and then will blame young people for not voting in the general election if Hillary ends up winning the nomination and then losing to a Republican in the general election.

[Matt_in_STL]

70. Based on the way Hillary and her surrogates have run this campaign

I don't believe I can even hold my nose and vote for her anymore. I started this cycle ready and willing to vote for her and it has just gone downhill from there. I won't ever vote for a Republican but I do believe Hillary has lost my vote.

[Jenny_92808]

84. I hope you reconsider

I will vote for her if she wins because the alternative would be a nightmare.

[still_one]

79. and if Sanders wins the nomination, Hillary supporters should stay home because of the this kind of

garbage that gets posted.

Maybe they can spam the PP or NARAL site, and anyone else who doesn't endorse Bernie

I am just pointing out the situation that is created with that nonesense

[Jenny_92808]

85. Please reconsider.

I will vote for Hillary if she wins. We just CAN'T let a repub win. There is too much at state. Just remember, this is the silly season (as they say) and passions are high.

[still_one]

86. and I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is, wheter it be Bernie or Hillary

I was pointing out that the OP is a double edged sword, that's all

[Gorgatron]

81. I will still go to the polls, but....

I'm a millennial and I won't stay home, but I unfortunately know a lot of my peers who feel that way....swear they won't vote for Hillary that is.

Some say they would even consider Trump


I am working on changing that, but some people my age don't seem to realize the important of the Supreme Court, and the whole point of the political revolution.

WE HAVE TO VOTE!!!!

And not just for president

[Jenny_92808]

87. I couldn't agree with you more

WE HAVE TO VOTE!!!! And we need to convince everyone else who is a Dem to vote. I am voting a straight Democratic ticket and I urge everyone else to do the same. You make some great points. The Supreme Court is soooooooooo important!!!!

[mythology]

99. You say this as though it only goes one way

You may have missed that just the other day Sanders requested that his supporters not attack Clinton supporters. Look at how people attacked Trayvon Martin's mom on Facebook.

Look at some of the more prominent posters on both sides here who act like ill-mannered toddlers using Bernie Bros or Camp Weathervane. The internet in particular lets people act like assholes since they aren't likely to find themselves actually having to pay for acting that way.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

101. Sanders has told his supporters to knock it off.

Clintons most high profile supporters are worse than a few Bernie supporters on the internet.

[NurseJackie]

108. "Sanders has told his supporters to knock it off."

Clintons most high profile supporters are worse than a few Bernie supporters on the internet.

Good one!

[Betty Karlson]

106. Gloria Steinem and Madelein Albright have started on the women.

As for the minorities: the 52 % of them who voted for Sanders (in NH) may have triggered something that is yet to come.

[randome]

114. That's pretty funny. You're saying that if the people vote for Clinton for the nomination...

...then millennials will enact a sort of 'revenge' on the planet, right?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[jham123]

116. Where's danTex this morning??

He's one of the main ones that post the "Berniebros" OPs and the usual insults towards everyone not supporting Hillary

[Corey_Baker08]

120. This Is Bullshit, 1 DU Member Made An Out Of Line Comment...

I Am Young & I Don't Feel Insulted By Secretary Clinton...