CNN: Clinton announcing a "single-digit loss will be a win" for her. nt

[99th_Monkey]

[thereismore]

1. If true, she does not get the concept of irony. nt

[Hoyt]

29. The irony is that if Sanders can call a loss a win, why not Clinton?

[daleanime]

37. She was 50 points down....

when she started her campaign? I did not know that.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

40. She won big in NH in 2008 what happened?

[Hoyt]

61. Oh who knows. Maybe she won in 2008 because the demographics just didn't favor Obama, plus

there are a number of gun manufacturers and lovers in NH who probably feel more secure with Sanders. Who really knows, or cares, what happened 8 years ago?

[Nanjeanne]

66. There was a mass Amnesia attack on NH and they woke up with no idea who she was I guess

[Art_from_Ark]

131. LOL

[Arazi]

53. If she gets within .25% I'll agree with you

[Hoyt]

64. You don't have to agree with me. This is politics, there are always at least 2 ways to look at just

about everything.

[malokvale77]

142. Guns being the exception, right?

I lost a sister to a gun. I've lost many family members and friends due to ginned up wars.

You're right, I don't have to agree with you. I'll take Bernie Sanders. I'm sick to death of neo-cons/liberals and their disaster politics.

[elljay]

59. He called it a virtual tie

when he lost by .25% (according to the latest count) and probably won the actual popular vote, though that is not how the Iowa Democratic Caucus is counted. I do believe that is a more accurate characterization than calling an 8 or 9 point loss a win.

[thereismore]

71. No Hoyt, that's not what irony means either. nt

[Hoyt]

80. Tried to avoid characterizing it as "doltish."

[Go Vols]

88. I think doltish would describe her fine,

if she thinks a 9% loss is a win.

[morningfog]

99. To be fair, Sanders called a .25 point loss a "virtual tie" and that they would get roughly the same

number of delegates. It is 23-21 as of now, but will likely change at the later caucuses.

[6chars]

127. I think he called a 0.2% loss a "virtual tie"

but who can remember as far back as a week ago. it is all so hazy.

[karynnj]

133. He called a very very close race a virtual tie

Not terribly inaccurate. Trying to call losing by as much as 9.9 percent a win is crazy.

[John Poet]

63. So by that metric, Bernie CLEARLY WON IOWA in a LANDSLIDE!

I think he did anyway, if the raw vote totals were ever released.

[roguevalley]

85. let me see ... there's a thread that said her statistical

tie in Iowa that is under a cloud is a "WIN!" but a 1 point loss in NH will be a "WIN!" also. Her math skills alone discount her candidacy. Now talking about unicorns and fairy dust ...

[Matariki]

2. uh huh

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Whatever.

But a tie isn't a tie.

[0rganism]

134. the tie that is not a tie

[Punkingal]

4. What absolute rot!

Did she say Bernie won Iowa?

[thereismore]

102. succint. nt

[840high]

129. .+10

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. Their numbers must have them down 15%!

I've been predicting BS 57% to HRC 43%, maybe slight variation therein (56.8-42.6, some extras)

[HerbChestnut]

11. My guess is her numbers have her down less than 10

Otherwise she's just setting herself up for failure.

[TwilightGardener]

33. I assume it will be single digits--never discount the advantages the Clintons enjoy.

They're built in.

[karynnj]

135. she has the sheheen machine

And that means she will have good GOTV.

[TwilightGardener]

137. Yep. If you're over 60 and registered as a Dem, someone is busy tracking you down

right now--or stuffing you into a car and driving you to the polls. The "neighbor" advantage is nothing compared to the advantage of having the state party machinery at your disposal.

[morningfog]

100. My guess is if your guess is correct, their numbers are wrong again.

[Nanjeanne]

6. But her .2% in the Iowa caucus was a VICTORY and a LOSS for Sanders?

[DCBob]

7. Yes, most will see it that way given NH demographics.

[TwilightGardener]

25. Confused--did the demographics of NH change in 8 years?

[DCBob]

28. No.. your point??

[TwilightGardener]

36. Because the demographics favored her in 2008.

[DCBob]

43. You would have point if Barack Obama were running again..

but he isnt, so you dont.

[TwilightGardener]

49. Same candidate, same demographics. Just a different challenger, but from the same

direction (more progressive). If she won then, she can certainly win now. Especially with all those endorsements.

[DCBob]

56. You downplay your candidate's appeal.

He certainly connects strongly with a certain demographic and that demographic is well represented in NH.

[TwilightGardener]

60. But in 2008 Clinton touted herself as being the candidate of hard working WHITE people.

Isn't NH her demographics?

[DCBob]

68. I admit it, Bernie beats her with that demographic.

Too bad for Bernie the rest of America looks nothing like NH.

[TwilightGardener]

75. He's working to win more minority support. I do not expect him to announce

that he's the candidate of white people. Unlike Clinton.

[DCBob]

79. He better work harder.. so far its not working.

[TwilightGardener]

84. We'll see. He has a good heart and will do what he can to earn trust.

[DCBob]

87. No doubt the man has a good heart and good intentions.

He's just not ready to be President of the United States.

[SheenaR]

124. So did John Edwards n/t

[John Poet]

72. But she hasn't turned on the waterworks this year....

[TwilightGardener]

78. They went LL Bean this year, at least on Bill.

[John Poet]

106. He never wanted to be President. He always wanted to be---

First thing I thought of when I saw him in that shirt...

[Dawson Leery]

8. The demographics of the state suggest such.

[firebrand80]

9. Shame on you Hillary nt

[TTUBatfan2008]

10. 93% of NH endorsements...

Should deliver a strong victory for her. People are tired of machine politics where they are told how to vote.

[in_cog_ni_to]

35. Those mean nothing if Bernie's the nominee. n/t

[Myrina]

52. "People are tired of machine politics where they are told how to vote. "

... but then you post that she has "93% of NH Endorsements which should deliver a strong victory for her."

Ironic, much?

[TTUBatfan2008]

77. You just made my point stronger.

What worked in the past and should still work is not working with New Hampshire voters. People are sick and tired of being told how to vote.

[Myrina]

120. Uh, no. 93% of NH ... whoever ... coming out and telling people to vote for HRC ...

... equals being told who to vote for. Them 'delivering her' a victory is telling people who to vote for.

Guess that slipped past your irony detector.

[LondonReign2]

74. How did you manage to put two conflicting statements in there and declare victory?

[TTUBatfan2008]

98. Maybe I wasn't clear.

Hillary has 93% of the elected Democrats supporting her and telling people how to vote. She's not going to receive anywhere near 93% support from the voters. People are revolting against machine politics, especially if she ends up losing by 10-20 points.

[LondonReign2]

103. Ah, got it. I was confused.

[6chars]

128. that's why a single digit loss would still be a win

[cyberswede]

12. I would see a tie as a win for her (given the poll numbers over the last few weeks)

But not a 9 point loss.

[TCJ70]

13. Always taking Sander's positions...

...lol

[malthaussen]

14. Be interested to see the breakdown when it's done.

Both camps know what they have to do to win. Anything else is just japes for the groundlings.

-- Mal

[Motown_Johnny]

15. She shouldn't worry. We haven't lost a single Gidget.

http://en.mediamass.net/people/sally-field/deathhoax.html


^snip^


"Sally Field dead 2016” : Actress killed by internet death hoax



News of actress Sally Field’s death spread quickly earlier this week causing concern among fans across the world. However the February 2016 report has now been confirmed as a complete hoax and just the latest in a string of fake celebrity death reports. Thankfully, the actress best known for her roles in Lincoln, Brothers & Sisters or Smokey and the Bandit is alive and well.

[tblue37]

27. Great minds think alike. See my #22 post below. nt

[Motown_Johnny]

70. But you missed the death hoax. n/t

[PaulaFarrell]

140. you left out The Flying Nun

How could you??

[Motown_Johnny]

141. The OP had a typo which has been corrected. Gigit instead of digit

Only Gidget seemed to apply.



Along with the death hoax, I thought it was funny.

[ViseGrip]

16. Absurd, cheating is winning, and now losing is winning. Why would this be a win? She's crazy

spinning this shit.

[earthside]

51. If only Gennifer Flowers ...

... had come forth with a new revelation that she had had an affair with Hillary.

Then Hillary could proclaim herself as "the come-back gal" after a second place finish in New Hampshire.

[global1]

55. And War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery And Ignorance is Strength.....nt

[one_voice]

17. Wasn't Bernie leading by a huge...

margin at one point?

Serious question.

[TTUBatfan2008]

18. Hillary was up 40-50 in May 2015

And she has 93% of elected Democrats in New Hampshire endorsing her. At some point you have to say a loss is a loss.

[99th_Monkey]

19. Not just huge anymore,

Now it's YUUUG!!

[winter is coming]

21. Was he? Or was it a carefully cooked poll designed to support this narrative? n/t

[one_voice]

38. I usually have MSNBC on in the background..

and I thought Hillary was *supposed* to take Iowa and Bernie NH.

I could have sworn all the yammer was about how much of a lead Bernie had in NH. Vise versa for Hillary in Iowa.

I wasn't trying to be smart or anything. I really thought that's what they'd been reporting.

I will search DU see what I can find.

[winter is coming]

54. Iowa was considered a toss-up going into caucus day. Bernie's expected to win NH,

but the projected margin has varied wildly, as if someone's trying to re-set expectations by claiming HRC will lose badly and declare anything better than that to be a "win". Sounds like Hillary will be saying it's a win for her even if Bernie wins by 9 points.

[SheenaR]

125. 31 was the highest I saw

and that was this past week.

She was up 56 a year ago this week. Against a guy in his own backyard. But I am told to discount it because people hadn't started "campaigning yet". Which makes her campaign sound even worse, that once it started people actually understood what was really going on.

[workinclasszero]

20. I though Bernie was going to win NH by 30 plus points

What happened?

Is the Bern fizzling out already?

[99th_Monkey]

24. Early voting was 2 to 1.

http://www.wmur.com/politics/2016-full-new-hampshire-presidential-primary-election-results/37649066

[workinclasszero]

30. Wow still early results

Thanks for the link

[tblue37]

22. "Gigit":

[99th_Monkey]

26. Haa! fixed now.. thanks. nt

[tblue37]

32. Gotta leave this up, though, because cute. nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. But a TIE in Iowa was a loss for Bernie. Got it. Clinton Double Standard. Will she give another

NON-VICTORY victory speech too?

Sheesh.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Senator Tankerbell]

50. Most New Hampshire voters had not heard of Bernie Sanders prior to this campaign.

Hillary Clinton was winning New Hampshire by large margins up until August of 2015. A huge number of voters who were planning on voting for Clinton were convinced to change their votes to Sanders. That is the reality.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

31. I'm guessing she was prodded into saying that.

I saw someone asking her that exact question earlier, and she sidestepped into some vague answer about it being a 'great day for democracy'. Somebody on her campaign must have felt that sort of reply wasn't helpful and suggested she embrace the spin the media wanted to put on it.

[Jefferson23]

34. lol I love how nervous she feels that they need to get this bullshit out now. n/t

[2pooped2pop]

39. It's a win because

I didn't lose as bad as I thought I would!! Go team!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

44. Will it be less than 2008?

[earthside]

41. Ergo the tie in Iowa was a landslide for Sanders.

How do you spell desperation?

H I L L A R Y

[Uncle Joe]

42. You can bet that will be the corporate media conglomerates' non-stop spin.

Thanks for the thread, 99th_Monkey.

[KittyWampus]

45. They are correct. If Bernie blows his big lead and she gets enough delegates

It's pretty much all over for Sanders

[99th_Monkey]

69. No, actually Hillary has blown her Oct 2015 lead: Hills 38% v. Bernie 34%.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/10/21/hillary-clinton-overtakes-bernie-sanders-in-new-hampshire-poll-shows/

[DefenseLawyer]

46. The smart move is to just declare victory n/t

[Myrina]

47. Is she really delusional?

"I win! No matter what! A tie? I win. I get fewer votes? I still win. Me Me Me Me!"

It's starting to seem like she's the runner up who steals the winner's crown & refuses to hand it over, then has an epic psychotic meltdown on stage.

[99th_Monkey]

48. +10 nt

[ViseGrip]

57. Hillary spinning out of control....losing is winning, cheating is winning.

gads....

[closeupready]

58. lol

[Mike Nelson]

62. Unless you're dropping out of the race...

...declare VICTORY!

[ProudToBeLiberal]

65. Hillary Clinton was down 30%+ in the polls.

If she loses by 20% then this is a huge win for her. She would be the new comeback kid.

[winter is coming]

94. She was down by 30 in one or two outliers. The margin is more typically 15-20. nt/

[ProudToBeLiberal]

97. Can you for at least once stop engaging in spin? Please be real with me. nt

[winter is coming]

104. LOL! That's not spin. Go look at the actual polls. n/t

[ProudToBeLiberal]

108. In a recent CNN/WMUR poll, it had sanders 61% and Hillary at 30%.

WMUR is a respectable news station and polling outfit. Like I said, if she manages to get the difference to 20%, it is a major win.

[winter is coming]

110. A double-digit loss is a win?

Only on Opposite World.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

111. It's a win because Bernie Sanders should be winning at least by 40%, but Hillary is fighting.

If she had more time, she would have won NH. So, her narrowing the gap to 40% is a win. nt

[winter is coming]

112. She started out 50 points *ahead* in NH.

The ground she's lost is on her. There's no reason, none, to state that Bernie should be winning by 40 points. There's an excellent OP in GDP explaining why the "home field" advantage is utter nonsense.

Hillary's losing NH because she blew it. Arguing that she's somehow won by not losing as badly as she might have otherwise is laughable.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

113. We are talking about the moment of now. The polls have Bernie up by nearly 30%.

If Hilary manages to narrow the gap to 20% then that is a major victory.

[winter is coming]

114. Ooh, not just a victory, but a MAJOR victory?

I can't wait for her victory speech!!

[ProudToBeLiberal]

115. I am still a bit nervous. I am not sure she will be able to close the gap to 20%.

If she does, I will be overjoyed and ecstatic. It would be a major victory. She would be the new comeback kid.

[winter is coming]

116. It's not a "comeback" when you lose by double digits.

Apparently, that's the talking point being catapulted today, but that shit won't fly.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

117. It is a comeback when the polls have Bernie winning by nearly 30%. nt

[DemForLife]

67. double digits then

Well, then New Hampshire make sure she's beaten by double digits even if it is only by 10 points.

[closeupready]

73. More seriously, this is the woman who has argued that DOMA was a win for gay people.

The Clintons think they are just so dang smart, that their sheer smarminess persuades intelligent people that when they lose, they are actually winning.

So this spin is right up that alley.

[bigtree]

76. I still think Bill's declaring victory in NH way back when was brilliant

...the comeback kid just infuriated his opponents and gave his campaign the fighting spark it needed.

I thought Bernie was supposed to blow her out of the water there. If he doesn't, the folks who've been crowing about the big polling lead will only have themselves to blame.

[TwilightGardener]

83. Most political watchers do not expect a blowout. Most of us who have been here

for some time understand the tremendous baked-in advantages the Clintons enjoy in every contest, and what it takes to overcome that.

[Go Vols]

81. lol

[Orsino]

82. And a double-digit loss will be a tie?

[closeupready]

92. That would mean Bernie cheated, of course.

[Orsino]

96. And that only a triple-digit loss will be a loss. n/t

[closeupready]

109. Stop, you're killing me here!

[bkkyosemite]

86. So have the ptb told her she will win by single digits...

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Just like she announced victory before the count was done IA. Will they manipulate so she can count victory again if she lost by single digits. I do not trust the voting methods. Enough money can get people to change things. That's why this system needs to end and a new era of fairness needs to begin. No more mass money in elections.

[Botany]

89. Just like beating Bernie by 1/4 of 1% of the vote in Iowa was a big win for her.

"Thank you Iowa!"

[HooptieWagon]

90. In the 'reality community' I guess so.

A single digit loss would be a bit of a late rally, but considering she was ahead by over 50 a year ago it's still a loss.

[randome]

91. Our last 3 elected Presidents lost the New Hampshire primary.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

[californiabernin]

93. I don't think she would say that unless

She felt confident it would be. But it's not a win. Playing the expectations game.

Really looking forward to the rest of the primaries coming up as Sanders builds more and more diverse and larger coalition for change.

[TwilightGardener]

95. Clinton camp is telling the media what narrative to follow.

"See me lose by 5 points? Total win!!" Now, since she appears to have the media ready to lap up her narrative, it might work. Who's ready to spin for her--Chris Matthews? Rachel Maddow? NYT?

[sadoldgirl]

101. She can come out then and say:

Look, I am in second place, and that's pretty good!

[artyteacher]

105. there are two kinds if wins...

Actual and relative (or moral...)

Hillary actually won Iowa, but Bernie had the other kind of win.

NH could be the reverse.

It's not that hard. Its a common political concept. You can understand that without being nasty

[winter is coming]

119. If Hillary had always been way behind, I could grant that.

But she wasn't. She started off with a huge lead, and then blew it. Losing by a little less than projected doesn't change the fact that she once led by huge margins and then lost that support.

[artyteacher]

121. I don't think there is I sa law...

About how long you have to be behind and then come back.

[winter is coming]

122. A hard-and-fast law, no.

But claiming a comeback when you've lost by double digits runs a very real risk of being mocked.

[Sanity Claws]

107. Her internal polling must be showing some shocking numbers

[californiabernin]

118. I wouldn't say shocking but probably a closer race.

I don't thinks that would be awful at all for Sanders, just how bad will it be for Clinton.

[mhatrw]

123. So she is saying that the voting machines have been programmed to flip every 10th vote for Sanders

to her?

Because otherwise, I don't understand.

[berniepdx420]

126. Hillarious.... too bad the MSM is fresh out of Journalists

[99th_Monkey]

130. +10

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

132. After the shit Clinton pulled last week and this week

I'll be hoping for a loss by 35% or more.

[99th_Monkey]

136. I'm with you on that one. It actually wouldn't surprise me too much

That was a disgusting display of hubris and fake outrage, Bill in his red plaid shirt,
waving papers around -- like he 'had the goods on Bernie -- it was such a lame and
amateurish insult to the intelligence of NH voters, and the M$M lapped it up, which
made it even worse.

I agree: a Bernie 67.5% v. Hillary 32.5% outcome sounds about right.

[Warren DeMontague]

138. but she and her supporters kept saying "a win is a win". At least in Iowa.

Weird.

[99th_Monkey]

139. Hillary's banking on collective voter amnesia

like no one will remember what she said last fucking week.