2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBerniebros is a rehash from 2008
and it failed miserably then and will continue to do so.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)ebayfool
(3,411 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)When all you have is your opponents goodness, you're in trouble.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Because THAT will be important in the oval office.
#NOPE
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Although that did make me laugh
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)I think berniebros is sexist, lumping everyone into one group is so progressive. Not.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Attacking your rivals based on their assumed gender is weak. Furthermore, it ignores the existence of female Bernie supporters.
Again, if she had any accomplishments...
dana_b
(11,546 posts)"that special place in hell" because we don't support Clinton. Actually it's just that the guys who support Bernie are so dreamy... we can't think of anything else!
senz
(11,945 posts)... gimme some Berniebro ... noww...
Actually, Bernie supporters of all genders are great people!
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)male or female young or old so attractive that people fall (or rise) in love. And work together for peace and justice.
Lans
(66 posts)Or maybe just maybe, the internet is not exactly the best place to judge a candidates supporters.
If I just judged Hillary supports off what I've learned about them online, I'd guess she is some sort of fringe candidate with very few enthusiastic supporters while Bernie and Trump are the overwhelming favorites this election.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)no racist connotations there, nosiree...
cali
(114,904 posts)<snip>
where DID this idea that Sanders supporters are super sexist come from? Lets ask Tom Watson, circa 8 years ago...
The messiah complex in Obama scares the hell out of me - as does his campaign's casual acceptance of sexism so easily in order to win...
Tom Watson (@tomwatson) February 10, 2008
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/8/1481627/-WOW-Before-the-sexist-Bernie-Bro-Clinton-supporters-created-the-sexist-Obama-boy-No-seriously
WillyT
(72,631 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)hmmmm now in 2016 nah they just root for the boys. wait that doesn't make any sense whatsoever with the above headline X_X
Akamai
(1,779 posts)See www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gloria-steinem-apologizes-for-remarks-about-young-female-sanders-supporters_us_56b7a569e4b04f9b57da01a6| . Smart retraction.
Go, Bernie!
Chakab
(1,727 posts)I remember incessant accusations about Obama's campaign being unabashedly sexist.
The only proof offered was a bunch of memes created by idiots on the internet that had nothing to do with the campaign like this:
klook
(12,154 posts)for this meme!1!1
one_voice
(20,043 posts)the 'Bros before H*es' shirts that were sported back then?
I was an ardent Obama supporter but found those reprehensible.
Google search is your friend.
Chakab
(1,727 posts)idiot who came up with those shirts is just as comical is claiming that the fact that some idiots who claim to support Sanders have made sexist comments on social media represents the entirety of the Sanders supporters.
That's besides the point because, back in '08, dishonest Hillary supporters made out like the Obama campaign had actually come up with the shirts.
valerief
(53,235 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)navarth
(5,927 posts)Insert a Jim Nabors pic here saying 'surprise, surprise, surprise'
TBF
(32,059 posts)for Obama that year. I guess it just stuck better this time. Must've put some effort into getting the media to latch on to it.
I will give the Clintons one thing - they never, ever, ever give up ...
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Plus there are other connotations to calling the supporters of a black man "boys" that can backfire.
Bernie was labeled sexist before he even started his campaign in earnest, wonder why O'Malley wasn't? (tbh I didn't follow his campaign as closely,but that's something that would have stood out)
tblue37
(65,341 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Omalley men?
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)The same old 2008 crap gets rolled out again!
Try again!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)"Still, the sexist disrespect faced by Clinton, and her female supporters, has been deplorable. But maybe worse has been the willful denial by much of the media and many Obama supporters that it even exists, or if it does, that it matters."
http://www.salon.com/2008/06/05/obama_54/
Obama supporters, Bernie supporters each year she has a group to talk about but note she does not speak of a continuum, she does not link her 08 criticism to those of today, she does not say 'this is how it was with Obama too' because all of her stuff about the Obama boys club conflicts with the 'continuation of the Obama WH' narrative.
navarth
(5,927 posts)I've always liked her. This is a bit hard to take.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)the bag for hillary since forever and her daughter works for HRC. No surprise for me.
navarth
(5,927 posts)brentspeak
(18,290 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)That's a hell of a strategy.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)since Bernie wasn't running in 2008.
George II
(67,782 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Is it supposed to be some kind of insult?
TBF
(32,059 posts)accusing Bernie supporters of all being young, white, sexist and bigoted (strangely they are supposedly bigoted against blacks but not Jews).
Gloria Steinem added that the young women not supporting Hillary are only supporting him because "that's where the boys are".
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Are very progressive with big hearts. I guess the difference is in the candidates themselves!
watoos
(7,142 posts)How does anyone know for sure they are Bernie supporters?
Ever hear of false flag operations?
TBF
(32,059 posts)though, yes, it could come from the right as well.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)going on full repeat whether the circumstances ask for the same trick over and over, or not.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Young males on the internet have little regard for women, but it went way beyond the internet. There were buttons, pins and t-shirts made with this image. Just like with Sanders, Obama is a better person than some of his supporters. If something was an eye opener in 2008, was that sexism and misogyny are not only a purview of the Right. The Left can be just as sexist, the main difference is that they should know better.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)a few make pins and shit and everyone in that demographic is guilty.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Some folks are trying really hard to change the narrative today.
It isn't working...
Too many have been on the receiving end of "the treatment" since at least July. This thing has gotten national, and yes, international attention. The Facebook attacks alone were truly shameless.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)I am surprised they haven't started calling Bernie Moses. One may hope.
Bryce Butler
(338 posts)after losing NH today.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)By the time of the General everything has already been said to the point of boredom.
BostonBob
(18 posts)There is a special place in hell for banksterBros like the Goldman Sachs suits who ripped off the public and got taxpayer bailouts. Then they escape accountability by paying off politicians like Hillary with "speaking fees" (bribes) with a small portion of the stolen loot.
Hillary's excuse is that other politicians are doing it. Yes, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. Bernie is loved because he's one of few who doesn't sellout for corporate cash. Bernie's behavior should be the norm instead of the exception.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)in decades. Myself and other feminists have been saying all along that that it's about EQUALITY and being judged on one's merits for a job, NOT on one's gender. Yet Hillary's message seems to be that if we don't elect her BECAUSE she's a woman, we're all sexists. Again, that's misandry, not feminism. She'll deflate the entire movement for her own ambitions if she doesn't change her tune pretty quickly. We don't give a damn about her gender; the issues are what matter. But I guess that if she keeps the focus on imaginary hatred of her vagina, then she won't have to discuss the issues and her record.
basselope
(2,565 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Cheap_Trick
(3,918 posts)Only difference is "Groundhog Day" was a good film.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Bernie Sanders himself has acknowledged there is a problem within his supporter base, agreeing with the critics who have called out their misogynist attacks against Clinton.
While it is rather amusing to see you throw your own candidate under the bus on this, it is probably time to, y'know, knock it off.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)It's the same shit they pulled in 2008 against Obama with "Obama Boys". Nothing more, nothing less. Proof is in the pudding
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/8/1481627/-WOW-Before-the-sexist-Bernie-Bro-Clinton-supporters-created-the-sexist-Obama-boy-No-seriously
Who says I'm throwing Bernie under the bus, if anything it shows he's a class act. The Clinton's however never have been
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Sanders has acknowledged that there is a problematic, misogynist element in his support base. He has condemned them, said that it is "crap", and does not want these misogynist attacks to continue under the guise of his name.
This is not a concocted or contrived attack by Clinton, by the very fact that Sanders agrees, your argument is moot.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Sorry BUT politicians who are running for PRESIDENT, all of them, are held accountable for everything in their political careers and rightfully so. If you want the highest office in the world, guess what? You take responsibility for your past transgressions and mistakes. Nobody gets a free ride to the presidency. NOBODY.
My argument is moot despite I proved it's a rehashed meme from 2008 and the Clinton campaign? You want to know what isn't? Having her surrogates basically telling young woman they will burn in hell if they don't vote for Hillary.
Have fun with that.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)You keep trying to wiggle around that, but it ain't happening.
Tell us when is Hillary going to apologize for Madelaine Albright's comments? Hmmm? She is a SURROGATE not a supporter.
She won't.
Who's the upstanding one here apologizing for supporters who are NOT surrogates? Bernie.
Who is throwing the same crap at people they did in 2008? Hillary.
You want supporters? Let me throw you a reality check.
So please, quit the spin already. I see this shit on a daily basis.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)I have no disagreement with Albright's comment, and Sanders doesn't either.
Apples and oranges,
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)What is it?
Bryce Butler
(338 posts)which is a screen shot of a Salon article from 2008. This article:
http://www.salon.com/2008/04/14/obama_supporters/
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redruddyred
(1,615 posts)if hillary's definition of "an artful smear" is pointing out political corruption, how am i supposed to take seriously accusations of "meanness" online?
if i say "your candidate is regressive," is that mean? am i hurting your feelings? should i be prevented from making such horrible personal attacks in the future?