So when Republicans call Bernie a "Communist Jew,"

[Cyrano]

what do we do?

If Bernie is our candidate, you just know that "Communist Jew" will be a major weapon in their arsenal of sleaze and hatred.

They'll be direct about the Communist part and label him as a "Marxist," "Stalinist," "Totalitarian," "Anti-American," "Weirdo," etc.

They'll have to be more subtle with the "Jew" part and use stuff like "New York values," "He's from Brooklyn," plus a whole new mountain of antisemitic slurs that we can't even begin to imagine. They are masters at labeling someone "The Other."

So how do we fight it? I really don't know. Then again, Obama was black and Republicans didn't need to throw their slurs. Perhaps America is ready for a Democratic Socialist, Jewish president.

As far as I can remember, I have not previously posted on this Primaries Forum. So let me state where I stand: I love Bernie and I would love to live in a country where his vision becomes reality. I also think that his vulnerabilities may turn off too many voters. I also know that Hillary has many vulnerabilities, but ones that may turn off fewer voters. I therefore believe that Hillary is the safer bet to ensure that we hold onto the White House. Perhaps I'm wrong. But that's my opinion.

Either way, we can't let any Republican become president. And I will vote for whoever our candidate turns out to be.

[daleanime]

1. The same thing we do when you say it....

laugh.

[cyberswede]

15. This is the right answer.

[Live and Learn]

56. Yep, except that the GOP would never be so stupid.

[brush]

131. Oh they'll certainly call him a communist, socialist ... all of that, but they know that ...

bringing in Bernie's religion is a lose-lose situation because Judaism is a big part of our social fabric.

They're vicious but smart enough not to denigrate his religion, unlike they did with Obama and the Muslim accusation because we all know that it was not that hard to get low info voters to equate Muslim with terrorist so they (Palin, her supporters and others) went there eagerly.

[hifiguy]

85. rAmen!

[840high]

98. Yep

[treestar]

2. mere mention of this will get you labeled "anti-semitic"

in this forum.

Voters right wing enough to oppose Bernie on those grounds wouldn't vote for him anyway, as with Obama. It'll be the same thing as Palin's "real America" or "pro America" whatever she said as dog whistle.

They will definitely call him a Marxist, etc. They did to Obama too, but it didn't really seem to stick or mean much to more than the right wingers.

[beam me up scottie]

10. No, being anti-Semitic and/or defending anti-Semitism here will earn you that label.

Like claiming that accusing a Jewish American of being disloyal to this country isn't anti-Semitic.

Discussing anti-Semitism isn't anti-Semitic, engaging in it is.

[daleanime]

19. +1

[Cyrano]

21. I think post #17 just called me

antisemitic. (And there may be more to come.)

I thought carefully before posting on this forum and I should have followed my instincts and let it go.

This OP is my first and last on what I see as "The War Forum."

[beam me up scottie]

23. We're touchy because there have been anti-Semitic posts and threads about Bernie already.

Links to Stormfront, FrontPageMag, Tomatobubble and other anti-Semitic sources have been posted and defended because they were "educational".

Bernie's been called Israel's #1 shill, a "crusty Jew", and accused of having a nest egg waiting for him in Israel among other things.

I'll take your word for it because I've never seen you attack Bernie but others have and will continue to do so.

[Goblinmonger]

53. "crusty OLD Jew"

Get it right. And it's amazing what people will defend.

[beam me up scottie]

55. There was even an op accusing Bernie of only caring about money.

It wasn't exactly subtle but jurors don't always recognize dog whistles, even loud ones.

[Cyrano]

64. Thank you, scottie

I never know what to do when caught in a shit fight in the monkey house.

[beam me up scottie]

65. GDP isn't the deep end of the pool, it's cliff diving into shark infested water.

Even if you know what you're doing it's risky.

[Fumesucker]

129. Doing it with a bucket full of chum in each hand kind of enhances the risks though

[beam me up scottie]

139. Yeah I gave the op the benefit of the doubt and I was wrong.

That won't happen again.

[Live and Learn]

57. +10,000 nt

[Behind the Aegis]

111. Very good points.

However, this thread has me cracking up! Just fascinating.

[beam me up scottie]

112. Yes it is. ;)

[treestar]

134. You tried to use it

for discussing the possibility of what the right might attack Bernie with on the subject.

[beam me up scottie]

138. You mean when I posted an op about anti-Semitism?

As I recall you posted in that thread, didn't you?

Here's the link for anyone who didn't see it, should be required reading:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251624166

[Bonobo]

125. Let me get this straight, you want to be able to say "Commie Jew"

without being called "anti-Semitic".

[treestar]

133. You want to be able to call Hillary

The C Word or the W word without being called misogynistic? I can play at your stupid game too.



You're not a woman so you don't get any say in what I deem misogynistic. That's your game and you're going to get it back.

[TTUBatfan2008]

3. Obama was called...

Marxist, Communist, Manchurian Muslim, Kenyan, etc.

[dogman]

4. The same thing we do when they call PBO a Kenyan Muslim,

pretty much nothing. It self-identifies the speaker as a bigoted idiot.

[Dr. Strange]

29. This right here is the correct answer.

[Behind the Aegis]

5. Republicans?

When it was Obama, they most certainly did slur him. Anti-Semitism, like racism, is not just name calling and it will be those subtle bigoted attacks, (we have had a preview here) are what will be the issue. The Republicans will be motivated to vote against Sanders, but there isn't much we can do about it. The challenge will be making sure our own side is motivated and supports our candidate and VOTES.

It will be ugly, but Sanders can certainly beat the republican candidate, some might be more of a challenge than others, but he can easily rise to be our president.

[liberal_at_heart]

6. Who cares what they will call Bernie? They called Obama a socialist Muslim.

They will call Hillary all kinds of nasty names as well. They will call anybody we nominate nasty names. I will not vote based on what names the other side will call our nominee.

[Warren Stupidity]

7. Perhaps he palled around with terrorists too?

[NurseJackie]

8. Bernie will not be the nominee, so the Republicans won't bother attacking him.

[libdem4life]

16. Crystal Balls are not always accurate.

[NowSam]

9. I don't think it would stick anyway

He is a Jewish man and people don't care anymore than they care that Clinton is a woman.

There are many Republicans who have had enough corruption too and are tired of the lies told by the establishment. Many are okay with his leanings because his integrity and honesty and compassion are more important to them. The "Conservatives" and "Republicans" I have spoke with all say, "At least he's honest about it."

That matters. Character matters. When we elect the next president, it will be Bernie because out of all candidates on both sides of the isle, his voice is the most honest. It matters.

[6chars]

26. It's no secret he's Jewish

Larry David is too. So is Jerry Seinfeld. Even Jason Alexander.

In SNL skit he explained that his name was Barry Sanderswitski before he shortened it to sound less Jewish. (That didn't really happen, but it's just not a surprise that he's Jewish). He also played Rabbi Manny Shevitz in a movie.

I don't think the Republicans will gain by playing the anti-Semitism card. They could try the more acceptable anti-Zionism card as a substitute but we don't really know Bernie's views on Israel and they are likely to be less hawkish than those of the Republican nominee.

[hedda_foil]

113. They can't use the anti Zionism trope because the evangelical wingers looooove them some Israel.

They gotta build that third temple in Jerusalem, preferably on the current site of the Al Aqsa mosque , formerly the Temple Mount on which King Solomon built the Great Temple.

Otherwise, Jaysus won't come swooping down to smite the non believing Jews and most everybody else who don't believe in him the right way.

[Behind the Aegis]

121. Oh, I think they will use the anti-Semitism card.

Will they go straight for the throat? Nope. They will be cagey and use buzzwords and innuendo. I saw it with the Cantor campaign. They will try to "court" Jews with all kinds of nonsense, including anti-Semitic tropes they will claim are only about Jews on the left (reverse of what we see sometimes from the left). They will do it through "implication" of "would you rather have a Christian or a Jew as president". I find it interesting watching some trying to dismiss instances of anti-Semitism. While certain republican candidates aren't out-right anti-Semites, it doesn't mean they aren't using anti-Semitism or making anti-Semitic remarks.

As for using "anti-Zionism" as a way to attack, with the exception of the extreme-far right and conspiracy theorists, that is more likely something we will see from the left. The evangelical base is "pro"-Israel, therefore anti-Zionism wouldn't be a winning strategy; if anything, it will be a race to make the republican candidate to look more "Jewish via support for Israel", than the actual Jew, which will create all kinds of mishegoss.

Will the republicans use anti-Semitism should Sanders be the democratic candidate? IMO, damn skippy!

[brush]

132. They're too smart to go after Bernie's religion but they'll go all in on "socialist", "Marxist" ...

"communist" and the like. They'll definitely go there.

[TCJ70]

11. They'd have to separate him from Israel...

...they can't get enough Israel. It'd be a real problem for them to emphasize his heritage.

[Vinca]

12. The same thing we said when they called Obama a Kenyan Muslim or . . .

my favorite . . . a Mau Mau Colonialist. Whatever the hell that is.

[beam me up scottie]

13. The same way we fought the bigots when they came after Obama.

Call it out, set the record straight and move on.

You can't cure intolerance but you can shine the light on it.

Sunlight is a very effective disinfectant.

[gyroscope]

14. You think they wouldn't do the same to Hillary?

you would be dreaming.

[jillan]

17. I've been waiting for this! A passive-aggressive attack on Bernie's religion from a DUer.

I seriously doubt anyone publicly will attack Bernie on his religion - after all the repukes love Israel, so they say.

Their supporters, yes. Of course. No doubt about it.

ETA the definition of Passive-Aggressive since some people might not know....

pas·sive-ag·gres·sive
adjective
of or denoting a type of behavior or personality characterized by indirect resistance to the demands of others and an avoidance of direct confrontation, as in procrastinating, pouting, or misplacing important materials.

[840high]

99. .^that

[RufusTFirefly]

101. Yes. DU's own special version of push-polling

Despicable but, alas, not surprising.

Being a dinosaur can't be easy.

"I feel their pain."

[cali]

18. And when they say Hillary is a crook?

[GoneOffShore]

52. We'll just have to say she's never been indicted.

[HooptieWagon]

77. "That I know of"

[GoneOffShore]

90. Buzzinga.

[LWolf]

20. We explain that he's just another socialist jew.

They purport to follow one themselves.

[Gregorian]

45. That's quite good.

I like the part about not charging for speeches.

[LWolf]

46. It's strangely apt,

considering that it was written as a protest against GWB.

I first came across it right here at DU, back in '03.

[AOR]

22. Break out this quote...

from the Republican capitalist Lincoln and tell em to fuck off.

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

-- Abraham Lincoln

[Ed Suspicious]

59. Marxist.

[99Forever]

24. Me?

I fucking laugh at them.

Apparently you are of them.

Hide in the closet, we'll fend off the skeeeeery republicans for you.

[valerief]

25. They'll say things like, "He'd understand us better if he were a Christian, but he's not."

As for the red-baiting shit, it's more than comical. Only the stupidest fall for those lines.

[TDale313]

27. So when Republicans call Hillary every name in the book, what do we do?

Oh, wait, they already do. And have. For decades.

News flash: They're gonna attack whoever the nominee is. And ya what? Our nominee will still win in November. Vote for who you think the best President will be.

[RDANGELO]

28. I think he's gone quite far in offsetting that already.

He has done a good job in explaining exactly what he means by being a democratic socialist. He is going to have to do it some more in the general. There will be the tribal minority that will foam at the mouth after he is elected, any time they talk about him, but he can deal with it the same way Obama did.

[Kip Humphrey]

30. What do we do? Why, sing a rousing chorus of The Vatican Rag of course!

[malokvale77]

95. That was fun.

Thanks for posting it.

[INdemo]

31. Well you are assuming that voters will trun out for Hillary if she is the nominee

The answer is no..There are progressive Democrats that have not voted since 2000..some of them returned in 2004.
There were a huge percentage of them that haven't voted since then.
If Hillary Clinton is the nominee these progressives will be a no show..Thereby risking a Republican White House.

[AtomicKitten]

32. The Clinton campaign already pushed the commie part of that epithet, the Jew part sure to follow.

Face it, Hillary really, really wants to be president. We've seen their work before (see below). They will throw anything and everything at Bernie to try to stop him including the cheap campaign tactic of trying to frame his supporters as evil. In 2008, Keith Olbermann pegged this as Hillary running against Obama as the Republican and Obama the Democrat. Bernie beats Hillary, he's won the election.

Clinton Campaign Starts 5-Point Attack on Obama
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/us/politics/26clinton.html

After struggling for months to dent Senator Barack Obama’s candidacy, the campaign of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is now unleashing what one Clinton aide called a “kitchen sink” fusillade against Mr. Obama, pursuing five lines of attack since Saturday in hopes of stopping his political momentum.

<snip>

“This is nothing more than an obvious and transparent attempt to distract from the serious issues confronting our country today and to attempt to create the very divisions they claim to decry,” she added. “We will not be distracted.”

[kath]

110. You forgot this from 2008:

[AtomicKitten]

123. I miss KO, particularly now.

I've posted a number of his special comments from time to time and am always glad to see his videos posted here. He helped sort out and articulate the crazy shit that happened during the 2008 campaign. I miss his voice and that of Jon Stewart so much.

[TIME TO PANIC]

33. Those people will be voting Republican anyway.

However, many progressives will have a hard time voting for Clinton, and a good portion of the youth vote will sit this one out if Hillary is the nominee.

[restorefreedom]

49. exactly. anyone who even cares that he is jewish

or does not understand his progressive views are not communist is already waaaaaay over in freeperville. they won't for anyone dems would put up

[Avalux]

34. We remind them that Jesus was a 'communist' Jew.

The man they profess to worship and accept as their lord and savior was a Jew. Didn't he preach to help thy neighbor and didn't he include everyone, regardless of who they were and what they believed?

This is somewhat tongue in cheek, but it's true.

[farleftlib]

37. Jesus was not only a communist Jew, he was a carpenter

just like Bernie.

Anyway, like it says in the The Brothers Karamazov if Jesus came back today, they'd crucify him all over again. Ain't it the truth, tho?

[Avalux]

39. Absolutely true.

I had forgotten Bernie was a carpenter, lol.

[farleftlib]

41. And if Bernie walked on water...

they'd say "Why does that commie Bernie hate yachts?"

[rusty fender]

117. Brilliant !

[gwheezie]

35. Depends on who the GOP candidate is

There are a few on the right who are either antisemites or theocrats that will go after Bernie on his religion. Look at some of the groups supporting trump and even Cruz.
I think to ignore antisemites is dangerous. I have seen a rising tide of antisemitism in the world that is frightening. Couple that with the extreme evangelical support for the GOP and I am betting on the GOP campaign allowing the more rabid voices to go unsilenced. Just like they did with Obama. Trumps political career this time started with birtherism and racism.
I support HRC but if Bernie is the nominee I think the democratic response should be strong and swift to antisemites.
As far as socialism I can't really comment since the 1st group I joined as a young person was the progressive labor party. Socialists don't scare me, I think they are lacking on some major issues and I don't align myself with socialism anymore but they aren't evil. But I will tell you when I was passing out political pamphlets at my HS, I actually got yanked out of school and questioned by detectives for being a communist dupe infiltrating my HS. I'm 65 so there is a segment of the population that believes socialists are anti American.

[in_cog_ni_to]

38. The GOP loves Israel. Remember? They aren't going to lay a finger on Judaism and no one gives

shit about your Red Baiting, Hammer and Sickle "Socialism" bullshit. The GOP would not only have the wrath of every Jewish voter come down on them, but the wrath of Israel...which they need for their "Rapture." So, his religion is not going to be an issue.

Do you really think people don't know he's a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST? They also know the difference between Stalin's Hammer and Sickle Socialism and Bernie's Democratic Socialism.

We have this thing called the INTERNET now and the INTERNET has this thing called the GOOGLE MACHINE where everyone can read about the differences.

They can't touch Bernie.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[treestar]

42. The red baiting accusation is getting just like the anti-semitism one

the OP is not red baiting. Just talking about what Republicans would certainly do.

The idea "they can't touch Bernie" is very out there. Republicans always find something. They'd don't always succeed fortunately.

Anti-semitists wouldn't vote for someone of Bernie's politics anyway.

The Marxist theme didn't hurt Obama. It might hurt Bernie a little more, as Obama didn't claim himself to be anything with the word "socialist" in it.

[Cyrano]

50. Thank you for that, treestar

I found that defending my OP here would be futile.

The OP was my first post to this Primaries Forum. And given what's going on here, it will be my last.

Hopefully, when this election is over, we here on DU will end our "war."

And hopefully, the election will end up in victory for the Democratic Party.

Again, treestar, many thanks.

[beam me up scottie]

58. I posted an op about this subject last year, check it out:

Dog Whistles- an Anti-Semitism Primer (a timely repost)

[Cyrano]

68. Many thanks, scottie

Wish I'd seen that before I was stupid enough to do an OP on this forum.

What saddens me is that I always thought that unreasonable viciousness was the sole property of the Republican Party. Seems I was mistaken.

[beam me up scottie]

71. Silly season isn't very silly.

2008 was just as bad, unfortunately.

[Cyrano]

84. I hear you, scottie.

As much as I hate to say it, this forum is a really ugly place. It saddens me to see this on DU.

Sigh.

[xfundy]

61. "Do you really think people don't know he's a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST?"

No, the majority don't know. The majority don't do research for themselves. The majority go by what they hear from friends and relatives and the media, including fox noise.

I support Bernie because I choose to do the research and find out things for myself.

[in_cog_ni_to]

63. The age of the Internet has changed everything! Most people own smartphones, tablets, laptops or

a desktop computer. They have the internet at their fingertips 24/7. YES, they know the difference!
All they have to do is Google "Bernie Sanders Democratic Socialist" and they have their answer! Everyone uses the internet now. I know an 89 year old who uses a computer and internet everyday. Seriously. It's a game changer!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[tazkcmo]

105. I have a land line. Fucking hate "smart" phones.

I prefer my phone nailed to wall where it belongs and I don't need a computer in my hands 24 hours a day. There are many like me that only use their computers at home. Fewer, much fewer find politics worth their time or trouble so the last thing they're going to do is go home and surf DU or any other site besides FB or what ever they might be in to.

Not everybody is connected even if they have access. Especially us older folks. My father for instance has a computer and internet and uses his computer as a DVD player and for email. That's it. In spite of his 6 children's best efforts, he'll never be connected to all that information much of which is bad information. So even if your 89 y/o internet surfer is getting access to information, is she savvy enough to spot some of the more professional smear jobs? Hell, smart people get conned everyday.

To summarize, I'd say the internet is changING everything but it hasn't changed all of us.

[Fumesucker]

126. Not interested in an 89 year old determining my choice of candidate

I doubt my grandkids would be either, let me IM them at college and find out.

[tazkcmo]

128. That's a weird comment in this context

For one, nobody was even discussing anybody deciding anything for anyone. My post was about the influence the internet is having on access to information and I was pointing out to another poster that not all have merged onto the information highway. Then here you come and bag on an 89 y/o as if she's some how determining who your choice should be and then added some vaguely better than her crap about instant messaging and college. I don't get the vitriol.

[oberliner]

76. Do you know why they love Israel?

Hint: It's not because they like Jews.

[in_cog_ni_to]

82. Of course I do. That's why they have to stay on Israel's good side. Oh, I know they don't like Jews.

n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. JESUS WAS A SOCIALIST JEW.

End of subject.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Truprogressive85]

43. Defend him duh !!

The same thing we did when they try to paint Obama as the 2nd coming of Malcolm X
or when they called a Muslim, or when they called a Marxist, Communist, Socialist, Tyrant, Constitution shredder

[olddots]

44. how do I say this politely ?

[stevenleser]

47. They won't add the "Jew" part. They're too into Israel. I say that as a Jewish person.

The rest of what you wrote is spot on.

[Ken Burch]

73. They'll use dog whistles, though...

And of course, as Ann Coulter's comments showed us the other day, Republicans are basically "into Israel" because they want this country to have as small a Jewish population as possible. Other countries have been like that as well(such as Britain, where Arthur Balfour wrote his Declaration largely because he thought a Jewish state in Palestine would minimize or even prevent Jewish emigration to Britain).

[Ferd Berfel]

48. I"ll call them Fascist Bastards

[KingCharlemagne]

118. +Infinity! - nt

[Donald Ian Rankin]

51. I wouldn't expect to see either of those words used much.

On the "Communist" side, I would expect to see an endless repetition of "Socialist", much of it quoted from Sanders himself, as well as many of the other words you list, but fewer "Communists", because when the Republicans have a target they can demolish as effectively as Sanders without overreaching, why take the risk? I'm sure that second-rank Republicans - bloggers and so on - would use the word, but the main drum-beat, and the official adverts, would be "Socialist! Socialist! Socialist!".

On the "Jew" side, you'd see a lot of "Secular", but not nearly as many "Jews". If Sanders was a devout Jew, it wouldn't be much of a weakness, but the fact that he isn't would be catastrophic.

And how would you fight it effectively? You couldn't - Sanders would lose, heavily.

[Cyrano]

62. Trump has already

called him a "Communist." Google it. The Republicans wouldn't hesitate to run an ad morphing Bernie's face into Stalin's face if they thought it would do any good.

As far as the "Jew" side, Republican's will use every "Elders of Zion" piece of propaganda they can dig up, and make Bernie, the "Star" of their propaganda machine.

All wingnut, pro-Israel crap is a huge heap of shit designed to fulfill their "Apocalypse" prophecy. Israel has to exist in order for "True Christians" to get themselves "Raptured" up to heaven -- and fuck the Jews left behind.

I really don't understand why DUers don't realize how much anti-semitism still exists in this country.

[KingCharlemagne]

119. Specificaly, in Rapture theology, only 144,000 Jews will make the proverbial cut, the

remainder consigned to die horrible deaths on earth during the Apocalypse alongside the rest of us dialectical materialists.

[awake]

54. The real problem is New Demercratics who are afraid of what the Republicans will say or think

This aditude is the root of why so many see our party a weak and gives up too easily

[Hoyt]

60. If it gets to that point, I hope we kick their ignorant, bigoted rear ends.

[Ken Burch]

66. We stand up and defend Bernie and what he actually believes in.

Instead of doing what the party insiders always advise and leaving all the slurs unchallenged.

We could also use things like THIS:

[Matariki]

83. No, they really don't

They worship Supply Side Jesus, "Jesus CEO", and definitely Blond Hair Blue Eyed Jesus.

[KingCharlemagne]

120. Don't forget "Prosperity Jesus." I swear, you cannot make this shit up! - nt

[Gothmog]

67. Give a little thought to what a GOP campaign against Bernie Sanders might look like

This article from VOX has some good predictions as to how nasty the GOP and the Kochs will be http://www.vox.com/2016/2/3/10903404/gop-campaign-against-sanders

I'm not sure I have the requisite killer instinct to fully imagine how the GOP will play a Sanders campaign. But consider just this low-hanging fruit:

Sanders would be the oldest president ever to take office — older than John McCain, who faced serious questions about this in 2008.
Sanders is a socialist. "No, no," you explain, "it's democratic socialist, like in Denmark." I'm sure GOP attack ads will take that distinction into careful consideration.
Sanders explicitly wants to raise taxes, and not only on the rich.

That's just the obvious stuff. And he has barely been hit on any of it so far.

I have no real way of knowing whether Sanders and his advisers appreciate what's coming if he wins the nomination, or whether they have a serious plan to deal with it, something beyond hoping a political revolution will drown it out.

But at least based on my experience, the Bernie legions are not prepared. They seem convinced that the white working class would rally to the flag of democratic socialism. And they are in a state of perpetual umbrage that Sanders isn't receiving the respect he's due, that he's facing even mild attacks from Clinton's camp.

If they are aware that it's been patty-cakes so far, that much, much worse and more vicious attacks are inevitable, and that no one knows how Sanders might perform with a giant political machine working to define him as an unhinged leftist, they hide it well.

In the name of diverting some small percentage of the social media bile surely headed my way, let's be clear about a few things: This is not an argument against supporting Sanders. There's nothing dumber than making political decisions based on how the other side might react. (For one thing, that would have foreclosed supporting Obama, a black urbanite with a funny name, in 2008.)

But it is an argument that Sanders has gaping vulnerabilities that have not yet been exploited at all, so his followers should not yet feel sanguine about his ability to endure conservative attacks. Also they should get a thicker skin, quick.

[Vote2016]

69. So when Republicans called Obama a "Socialist born in Kenya," I was so glad that we chose Hillary in

2008 because the Republicans would never red-bait the Hillary (regardless of her luke warm ideology).

Frankly, I know that O'Malley, Webb, or Chafee would never campaign against Sanders as a "Communist Jew" (not because it reflects poorly on Sanders but because that is shameless bigotry on the campaign who would take that approach), but I pretty much expect it from Clinton and Trump.

You are a super brave and courageous human being to cower in fear that we should nominate someone who will be subject to ethnic slurs.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

70. I dunno - what you do say when they call Obama a socialist Mozlum. They are going to twist the

truth no matter what it is. Or just flat out lie and make up stuff.

Im sure yall are familiar with far right wingnut conspiracy theory about the (supposed) international Jewish bankers conspiracy who(supposedly) run the world? I have some wacky rural relatives that believe in that stuff. What percentage of the American populace believe in that crap, or may be anti-semitic in other ways I don't know, but you cant live life... or choose your candidate.... based on what those people think or do.

Don't give them that kind of power over you. Just don't.

[djean111]

72. A TWO-Fer!!!!! A loyalty pledge wrapped up in a slur!

And if a Bernie supporter started saying "What if the GOP says THIS or THAT sexist thing" about Hillary, their post/OP would be buried under the rush to alert, for using RW insults. And the GOP has a LOT of insults for Hillary - maybe we should start listing what we think they will say.......and pretend to wring our hands.

Oh, and don't insult my intelligence by pretending you did not love typing those words out.

[cherokeeprogressive]

91. Now he's over in GD pissing and moaning about how badly he was treated after posting it. nt

[840high]

100. yep

[RoccoR5955]

74. We call them what they are

Bastard dupes for the 1%, racist, anti-Semitic, haters who want nothing more than to divide the country and bring it down for the oligarchy!

[Jefferson23]

75. You're suggesting we follow their bigoted rule book? WE ALL fight back, and he'll be fine.

You can turn that bullshit around on them, how many Republicans that are
also Jewish want to hear their party go after Bernie like that?

I can tell you they do that shit at their peril.

[Odin2005]

78. Just like Obama was called a Commie-Nazi from Kenya?

[jeff47]

79. Remember when "Kenyan Muslim" totally sunk Obama's campaign?

Oh wait...it didn't.

[TexasBushwhacker]

80. It's all about the middle

The people who always vote for the GOP. The people who always vote for the Democrats still will. It's all about the truly undecided voters. Actually, it's about the undecided voters in swing states. So will saying he's a Communist Jew sway the folks in the muddled middle? I don't think so. They tried this kind of shit with Obama (Communist Muslim instead of Communist Jew) and he still won twice. Sure, it will appeal to their xenophobic base, but they have their votes already.

[DirkGently]

81. Was Republican bigotry a reason not to support Obama?

First, Dems don't pick our candidates based on the possible trash the worst people in America might come up with against our candidates.

Secondly, no Dem anywhere will be attacked as savagely as Hillary Clinton will. I don't find that a reason not to support her, but there is literally no one Republicans hate more than Hillary.

And lastly, I'm going to assume the thought here was not to use concern trolling and the "heckler's veto" argument as an excuse to simply say vile things about Bernie Sanders, although that is exactly how David Brock used this tactic to call Bernie Sanders a laundry list of despicable names the other day. His desire to simply say filthy things about Sanders could not have been more transparent or flatly evil.

But this wasn't an acceptable argument when Hillary ran against Obama for the nomination, and it is no more acceptable now.

[BainsBane]

86. If Bernie becomes the nominee

His self-identification of being a socialist will be the heart of the GOP campaign. That should not be news to anyone.

I think it unlikely, however, that they will explicitly criticize him for being a Jew since the GOP prides itself on close relations to Israel (which of course characterizes both parties). The fact Bernie is a Jew might constitute a whisper campaign but not overt attacks.

[Maedhros]

87. You're right! We should never nominate a candidate that will invite Republican criticism.

[demwing]

88. Hey, it's not like YOURE calling Bernie a Communist Jew

You're just asking how we should respond when people call him a Communist Jew. I'm sure it horrifies you that anyone would even think of Bernie as a Communist Jew, cause you just love Bernie, right?

You're just asking an honest question about Communist Jews.

We get it.

[mhatrw]

89. Whatever will we do when Republicans call Clinton a "Communist Lesbian"?

[brooklynite]

92. They won't touch his religion...

They will hit for being a socialist and a "tax and spend" liberal

[ThreeWayFanny]

94. A tax and spend SOCIALIST. eom

[mikehiggins]

93. Let me be offensive in my choice of words, okay?

There's a scene in Pitch Black in which the sort-of-hero Riddick fights a really horrific monster and rips it to shreds.

And then he says something to the effect of "didn't know who it was fucking with."

Well, {offensive language warning} you really don't want to piss off an old commie socialist red Jew from Brooklyn. Seriously. These are people who have been fucked over for millennia and saw their own families destroyed by the Nazis (and the commies and the Inquizition and, and, and). Sure, they are nice people, mostly and really good Americans BUT when the right goes after Bernie it is not a question of neo-liberals or conservatives vs Sanders. It becomes a question of the right attacking someone most Jews in NYC are proud of. Sort of like the political version of the old-time Dodgers. Really not a good idea. Of course, everyone likes to think they are assimilated into the larger population and lots have points of view I would never support but the truth is, literally, most of my friends are Jews and lots of them are from Brooklyn.

"Never again" is not an empty cliche for lots of these people. Really piss them off and that other movie scene comes to mind. The one in Fargo? The one with the wood chipper?

Maybe we've had too many white bread candidates (before this President) but nobody is going to swift boat Bernie, least of all that poser from Queens, Chump.

Nope, the way I see it, if we get past Hillery and the Establishment (sounds like a 60's band) the rest should be a piece of cake (preferably Junior's Cheesecake with strawberries).

You are allowed to think I'm full of shit but lets see how this one plays out.

[Corey_Baker08]

96. I Understand Exactly What You Are Saying...

I Just Hope That We Can Counter By Running Against Donald Trump And Labeling Him A Greedy Billionaire...

[KentuckyWoman]

97. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Now I see why you are bemoaning your foray into GD

"Communist Jew." Boy I tell ya, you don't fool around when you decide to step in it. Eyeball deep this one.....

We won't need to fight that. Granted the RNC is pretty low but not even Princess Sparklemoose is stupid enough to go there.

[iAZZZo]

102. personally i'm really looking forward to this!

They'll be direct about the Communist part and label him as a "Marxist," "Stalinist," "Totalitarian," "Anti-American," "Weirdo," etc.

given the tremendous uptick in google trends with search terms regarding bernie over these last several months, i see this as decidedly positive: it's a great way for the american populace becoming more knowledgeable and informed. as other posters have commented there will be a lot of laughter.

[Bonobo]

103. Filthy. disgusting OP.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[m-lekktor]

107. Plus he starts a thread in GD to whine about the negative responses he gets in this thread

and gets PLENTY of support and sympathy!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7592106

[Trajan]

104. What a whiny, pathetic post ...

I would just freak out, if I were you. ..

Leap to the ground and do the Worm ? ...

Maybe you can just beg their forgiveness ... Seems appropriate ...

[AgingAmerican]

106. So the Republicans should control the Democratic message?

Seriously? The Democratic platform should be written in a way that it walks on eggshells around what the Republicans might think? Are you serious?

[RufusTFirefly]

108. You can be SCARED into voting for Hillary. Or INSPIRED into voting for Bernie.

Take your choice. And good luck.

[Zen Democrat]

109. The right-wing has inoculated the public against emotional reactions to words like,

Socialist, Marxist, Communist. The blew those scare words on President Obama. Besides, a lot of Republicans we will be voting for Bernie, given the opportunity. We see that in the head-to-head poll results between Bernie and every Republican candidate.

[whatchamacallit]

114. We tell them to go to hell n/t

[Iggo]

115. Kick 'em right the hell off of DU, I say.

[flamingdem]

116. Twill be over soon enough, and we shall see how the optics look

after a few more primaries

[hopemountain]

122. vote for hillary because bernie

is a communist jew - or whatever kind of jew people will not vote for? he isn't electable?

this is a very low blow, cyrano. the bigotry is seeping out all over the place.

posts like this are proof of why i will not vote for hillary (because she is not a jew, and therefor electable?)
i will vote for bernie.

[silenttigersong]

124. It seems you have arrived to the party early

Simple it is HATE SPEECH:

[longship]

127. A great thread, especially the KO Special Comment.

Remember that one?

One only hopes.

[apnu]

130. Call them what they are -- anti-semites (nt)

[Iggy Knorr]

135. "So how do we fight it? I really don't know."

If racially charged language gets used, do what you normally do.

No need to pander to the Klan, so I'd say be as offensive as possible to these shameful bigots.

[Bluenorthwest]

136. Relax, some of us have been denigrated by the GOP for a lifetime and don't take it seriously and

are well practiced at calling bigots by the name bigot. I don't make my choices to please hateful conservatives. Why do you?

[Orsino]

137. Those who do will have to turn in their "Judeo-Christian values" cards. n/t