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2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Case Against Hillary Clinton - Ryan Cooper/TheWeek
The case against Hillary ClintonRyan Cooper - TheWeek
February 1, 2016
REUTERS/Faith Ninivaggi
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Much of the argument in the Democratic Party primary has hinged on who is more electable. Hillary Clinton, as the more moderate candidate, has a somewhat more plausible case on this score though at the moment she does a bit worse than her opponent Bernie Sanders in head-to-head polling matchups.
But consider a separate question: Would Clinton actually be a good president? No, argues Doug Henwood in his book My Turn: Hillary Clinton Targets the Presidency. As Daniel Davies observes, it provides a brief, reasonable survey of the case against returning Clinton to the presidency, free of the right-wing dreck clogging up the internet. The whole book is worth reading, but the main argument can be grouped under three headings.
1. Clinton is far too aggressive with the use of military force. Because the American president has a nearly free hand when it comes to foreign policy, this is the most important part of the anti-Clinton brief. Her history suggests she would be more aggressive than President Obama (who hasn't been much of a dove himself).
Most notoriously, she voted for the war in Iraq even endorsing the Bush administration's false accusation that Saddam Hussein had given "aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members" but it's been a consistent theme even after that gruesome catastrophe. As secretary of state, she supported escalation in Afghanistan, pushed hard for the Libyan intervention, and lobbied for a continued military presence in Iraq. She was on the hawkish edge of internal Obama administration debates on Syria, plotting with then-CIA Director David Petraeus to arm rebels there (though the plan was rejected by the president).
She also worked to prevent the return of leftist Manuel Zelaya to the presidency of Honduras after a military coup in 2009, proposing to send longtime Clinton hack Lanny Davis as a back channel to the new regime. At the time, Davis was working as a U.S. lobbyist for a pro-regime Honduran business group. She also recently praised Plan Colombia, a drug war military effort whose export around Latin America has been utterly disastrous.
Yet even though she lost the 2008 primary by a hair largely because of her vote for the Iraq war, Clinton has continued to attack Sanders from the right on foreign policy. A few days ago, she tore into him for suggesting that the U.S. ought to consider gradually normalizing relations with Iran, as it has with Cuba. It suggests real ideological commitment and in a bad way.
Finally, while Clinton touts her experience on foreign policy, it doesn't seem to have produced many results when it counted. While Clinton's own list of accomplishments at the State Department is rather thin (remember the "pivot to Asia"?), her immediate successor John Kerry has hit a succession of diplomatic home runs: helping get chemical weapons out of Syria, re-opening relations with Cuba after half a century of rupture, pushing through a nuclear deal with Iran, in addition to a host of smaller victories.
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The Case Against Hillary Clinton - Ryan Cooper/TheWeek (Original Post)
WillyT
Feb 2016
OP
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)1. Thatcher reincarnated.
Hawkish as hell and welded at the hip to the tenth-percenters and the MIC. No, thank you.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)14. Yep, another Mag the Hag! n/t
cali
(114,904 posts)2. One of the strongest reasons not to support her is her tenure at State
ProgressiveCentrist
(70 posts)22. May I ask which part?
I think she faithfully served and acted out president Obama's foreign policy.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)3. Great find, WillyT
General Clinton ideology. The Clintons were at the forefront of the turn towards neoliberalism in the Democratic Party, the most disastrous of which was the evisceration of traditional welfare in 1996, which increased extreme poverty in this country by 150 percent. Not so long ago she sounded like Rand Paul when speaking about poor people. She neither admits this was a mistake nor outlines a plan to reverse the damage.
Aside from the welfare debacle, Clinton has a long history of being pro-deregulation, anti-labor (she spent six years on the board of viciously anti-union Walmart, and did not defend worker organizing once), and advocating for draconian anti-crime policy.
Aside from the welfare debacle, Clinton has a long history of being pro-deregulation, anti-labor (she spent six years on the board of viciously anti-union Walmart, and did not defend worker organizing once), and advocating for draconian anti-crime policy.
This is why her current mouthing of platitudes about being a progressive candidate is so disingenuous.
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)12. +1
WillyT
(72,631 posts)18. Thanks...
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)4. She good enough, she's smart enough, but doggone it, people don't like her! nt
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)5. I don't like her...never have.
JPnoodleman
(454 posts)6. A Clinton presidency means nothing, stands for nothing...
She is only trying to cement a political dynasty for the Clinton family so that her daughter will also one day claim the throne.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)7. Evening Kick !!!
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)8. I don't believe Hillary is electable, too much baggage, too many clouds and she is not matched up
with the political times calling for change against our corrupted establishment powers.
Thanks for the thread, WillyT.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)9. She's not a good candidate, period.
thanks WillyT.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)11. You Are Quite Welcome !!!
ErisDiscordia
(443 posts)13. A very sound article with factual girdings of steel
God spare us!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)15. Beautiful Word Play !!!
"... with factual girdings of steel."
WillyT
(72,631 posts)16. As The Attacks Happen... I Kick More...
WillyT
(72,631 posts)19. Kick !!!
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)20. Excellent summary of everything wrong with her.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)21. "which increased extreme poverty in this country by 150 percent"
Kills me that people just don't understand that or just don't care. I don't understand why anyone would vote for her.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)23. Yeah, Huh... But We Needed Votes... So We Tossed People Off Boats...