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Howard Dean embarrassing himself on Joe.. (Original Post) elias49 Feb 2016 OP
What did he say which earned him the title of slug? Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #1
Probably something like "Hillary Clinton is a strong and qualified candidate". DanTex Feb 2016 #3
Guess we can call regulars slugs when the rave about Sanders and Trump, huh. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #10
A regular? Didn't know but how's that relevant? elias49 Feb 2016 #17
LOL leftynyc Feb 2016 #22
Morning Joe woke me up throwing Bernie under the bus this morning. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #28
Heaven forbid leftynyc Feb 2016 #36
I don't care who supports Hillary. I care that it's fair and it is not bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #55
This would apply to the regulars they make big bucks also. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #25
Bernie doesn't make 'big bucks propagandizing on national TV elias49 Feb 2016 #27
Compared to most citizens having a salary of $175,000 yearly is a big deal. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #31
That's petty cash to the Clintons. frylock Feb 2016 #64
Yeah, this is stupid. Dean isn't betraying anyone. cali Feb 2016 #11
trashing him as he is Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #14
You make a good point that he wasn't that much of a liberal as a governor. DanTex Feb 2016 #15
Dean was saying this morning that she can make the tough decisions bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #35
The empire strikes back. Surely this isn't a surprise to anyone. cali Feb 2016 #56
that was exactly it - strong, fact-based leader DrDan Feb 2016 #16
My thought was, Howard Dean. What a shill you've turned into notadmblnd Feb 2016 #2
Hillary IS fighting for people like herself. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #12
Precisely! onecaliberal Feb 2016 #54
He supports Clinton. So what? cali Feb 2016 #4
I like knowing what Americans are being told. elias49 Feb 2016 #7
Yeah, it's why I read. cali Feb 2016 #13
You don't know your 'enemy' elias49 Feb 2016 #29
Oh yes I do. cali Feb 2016 #30
Cali did you see the show this morning. It woke me up. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #38
Isn't he a Lobbyist for Health Insurance Companies? Follow the money... Yupy Feb 2016 #5
yep Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #8
ding ding ding!! nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #19
Oh yeah. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #33
yep he is now eating lots of crow Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #6
he had to pull out the gender card Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #9
when there are no issues to stand on, this is whats left. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #18
Yes, being a Clinton supporter makes Howard a slug. BigGLiberal Feb 2016 #20
Being a money man makes him unpalatable to me. elias49 Feb 2016 #21
others bigtree Feb 2016 #46
Subautobus Deanque alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #23
He climbed there himself. nt elias49 Feb 2016 #24
Ah, don't they all? alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #26
That's where the lobbyists leave the cash. It's no surprise that they crawl under there on their own GoneFishin Feb 2016 #44
I was woken up by Dean and Joe this morning and I am so angry. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #32
Really, how much experience did Sen. Obama have? That didn't seem SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #39
Exacty. Bernie has much more experience! bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #42
He did just say one thing right: "The big thing about Iowa is organization." Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #34
So that proves he is smart. Just as smart to be President as anyone else bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #40
Howard Dean is a good man. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #37
The Health Insurance corps. would agree with you. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #41
my best friend is a lobbyist for a nurses union is she a bad person? stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #45
Relevance? elias49 Feb 2016 #48
Hillarians like to elevate regular folk to the same level of professional pundits. frylock Feb 2016 #65
He has been disrespectful to Bernie and Bernie's candidacy by slinging bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #43
telling the truth is not disrespectful to Bernie are Bernie's candidacy. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #47
He's not telling the truth he is telling HRC's agenda against Bernie as truth. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #53
Howard Dean was adamant Hillary had never spoken to a college for giant sums of cash. Vinca Feb 2016 #49
Yes.I was surprised at his denial. elias49 Feb 2016 #50
I am sure he did not Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #58
I learned something today. I was wrong about what Bernie means by 'revolution'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #51
I feel ashamed for being a Deniac 12 years ago. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #52
Huh? He's one of the better... Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #57
Howard Dean is one of our best progressive leaders. DCBob Feb 2016 #59
Once upon a time he was. elias49 Feb 2016 #60
Bullshit. DCBob Feb 2016 #61
I'm a big fan of Howard Dean. blue neen Feb 2016 #62
Howard Dean embarrassing himself?... What else is new? InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #63

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
3. Probably something like "Hillary Clinton is a strong and qualified candidate".
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:36 AM
Feb 2016

Or some other such thoughtcrime.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
17. A regular? Didn't know but how's that relevant?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:50 AM
Feb 2016

Dean was a very different man when he ran. Now he's on the gravy train. Screw him.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
22. LOL
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:56 AM
Feb 2016

Getting mighty crowded under that bus you Bernie supporters keep throwing good liberals under. Pathetic.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
36. Heaven forbid
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:14 AM
Feb 2016

not everything think Bernie hung the moon. Don't forget to trash John Lewis while you're at it - he supports Hillary also.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
55. I don't care who supports Hillary. I care that it's fair and it is not
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:46 AM
Feb 2016

on MSM. It is very much a HRC's is the only one to be acknowledged as running for President. And that is not the case.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
25. This would apply to the regulars they make big bucks also.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:00 AM
Feb 2016

Dean is a doctor, he made big bucks before politics, do you know who else makes big bucks? Bernie Sanders makes big bucks as a member of congress, been there for twenty five years so how does his big bucks settle with you?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
31. Compared to most citizens having a salary of $175,000 yearly is a big deal.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:06 AM
Feb 2016

Sanders makes big bucks, he is not "one of us".

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. Yeah, this is stupid. Dean isn't betraying anyone.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:44 AM
Feb 2016

He supports Clinton. That comes as no surprise. I like Dean, because I think he's pretty honest. He's not a liberal on economic issues and he never was. He certainly wasn't as governor. (His fights with the more liberal legislature were epic).

But Dean is an honorable guy and trashing him because he supports Hillary is bullshit. And I'd be surprised if he trashed bernie.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
15. You make a good point that he wasn't that much of a liberal as a governor.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:46 AM
Feb 2016

I like the guy too, but in 2004, he was sort of being seen (by some) like Bernie is now, and he was no Bernie.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
35. Dean was saying this morning that she can make the tough decisions
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:14 AM
Feb 2016

as if Bernie can't. There is never anyone on their set who supports the intelligence and strength of Bernie Sanders. I could not believe how they ganged up on Bernie this morning by acting like he did not exist and she is the only one with experience. Bull! They have been told to start attacking with much more gusto. Did you see the show this morning? It was disgusting. Acting like Bernie was nothing a nobody........

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
2. My thought was, Howard Dean. What a shill you've turned into
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:35 AM
Feb 2016

Now they're talking about her trust worthyness and how damn loud she is and how it is not natural. Saying HIllary is fighting for people like herself.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. He supports Clinton. So what?
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:37 AM
Feb 2016

And frankly, I think that complaining about the MSM, yet tuning into it, is a bit incongruous.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
7. I like knowing what Americans are being told.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:41 AM
Feb 2016

Don't you? Many go so far as to crow that they've 'cut the cord', which is admirable except that then you live your dream, not reality.
Dean just said that if Hilary was a man, no-one would be complaining about her overly robust delivery on TV...the shouting.
'He supports Clinton. So what'. Well I used to respect the man. OK?

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
38. Cali did you see the show this morning. It woke me up.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:17 AM
Feb 2016

It definitely was to convince people that HRC is the choice. And that Bernie is nothing to even discuss.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
6. yep he is now eating lots of crow
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:41 AM
Feb 2016

When he was proven wrong about her taking at least 500K from college speaking fees. And she has the gallery to talk about the high cost of college.

BigGLiberal

(102 posts)
20. Yes, being a Clinton supporter makes Howard a slug.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 08:53 AM
Feb 2016

He is in good company though with John Lewis and others.

bigtree

(86,021 posts)
46. others
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:28 AM
Feb 2016

...like all but two of the congressional progressive caucus Bernie founded now supporting Hillary.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
44. That's where the lobbyists leave the cash. It's no surprise that they crawl under there on their own
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:27 AM
Feb 2016

most of the time.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
32. I was woken up by Dean and Joe this morning and I am so angry.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:09 AM
Feb 2016

They constantly get only Clinton supporters on their show. They are working for the Corporate media because the media does not want Bernie as President.

I am sick and tired of the Bernie is not smart enough, can't make Presidential decisions (yes he can). He is extremely intelligent! They ignore that he has spent decades in public office more than Hillary. Being first lady of AR and the WH does not count for experience in public office. And public office Bernie beats her hands down.

Bernie is smart enough, experienced enough, is for the people not the pundits of the elite establishment and that is what makes him the best choice for President. Even the Hillary supporters here act like Bernie is not experienced or smart enough to be President in their comments.

It is so disgusting to watch the attacks from the MSM. So disgusting!

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
39. Really, how much experience did Sen. Obama have? That didn't seem
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:18 AM
Feb 2016

to matter in his bid for the presidency.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
34. He did just say one thing right: "The big thing about Iowa is organization."
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:12 AM
Feb 2016

Sanders showed his homegrown organization was essentially as good as Clinton's well-oiled, well-practiced, micro-targeted, extremely well-funded one. She's had practice, she's been there before, and knew how Iowa works, and still was barely able to squeeze out a few more votes than he was.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
43. He has been disrespectful to Bernie and Bernie's candidacy by slinging
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:22 AM
Feb 2016

the HRC mud (not meaning HRC is mud just his constant Bernie is not electable) in Bernie's face constantly. No he is a shill for the corporate elites.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
53. He's not telling the truth he is telling HRC's agenda against Bernie as truth.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:42 AM
Feb 2016

Her latest is I have the most experience I can do the job. So does Bernie and so can Bernie! She is now using Bernie's words...I'm a Progressive (yet months ago I'm a Moderate) I want Universal Healthcare (yet last week it can't be done). It is getting really unbelievable now.

Vinca

(50,334 posts)
49. Howard Dean was adamant Hillary had never spoken to a college for giant sums of cash.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:34 AM
Feb 2016

Wrong. It took about 10 seconds to pull up proof of a couple of speeches in excess of $200,000 per speech. Meanwhile, students are going into debt for half that amount and looking at a lifetime of paying it back. That's why younger voters aren't big on her.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
50. Yes.I was surprised at his denial.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:37 AM
Feb 2016

Maybe facts don't matter so much when you're on the Hillary juggernaut.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
51. I learned something today. I was wrong about what Bernie means by 'revolution'.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:37 AM
Feb 2016

Of course, so are all of the people who complain that he's not 'revolutionary' in the exact same way they want him to be.

According to Sanders, this morning (for anyone that missed his part) his 'revolution' is a political one, about getting Americans re-engaged in politics again, active again. Not about economics, but about re-engagement, and thus control being taken back by all Americans, not just the few.

Mike Nelson

(9,990 posts)
57. Huh? He's one of the better...
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 09:55 AM
Feb 2016

...people they have on that show. He counters some of the Hillary hate. They did have a wonderful interview with Bernie, today! Joe and Mika were blathering in admiration - I know they think Bernie is a loser, but maybe they'll be surprised in November!

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
59. Howard Dean is one of our best progressive leaders.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:37 AM
Feb 2016

Its truly sickening that so many Bernie people are now trashing him just because he supports Hillary Clinton.

You mudslingers are dead wrong.

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